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does anyone else have this gift that to me has become a miserable curse, I am struggling both walking in the physical world and the spiritual world and to protect my love for the Lord Jesus Christ at any cost and my inner lamb , and it's really hard and I just wanted to know if anyone else has this gift and some experince that may give me understanding and comfort , I love you brothers and sisters and I'm really distant these days so I hardly speak and I cry a lot anyway God bless
 

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does anyone else have this gift that to me has become a miserable curse, I am struggling both walking in the physical world and the spiritual world and to protect my love for the Lord Jesus Christ at any cost and my inner lamb , and it's really hard and I just wanted to know if anyone else has this gift and some experince that may give me understanding and comfort , I love you brothers and sisters and I'm really distant these days so I hardly speak and I cry a lot anyway God bless
Hi Jarod, welcome to CF! .. yes it can be hard to get on top of the spiritual these days, with all the strange ideas out there.. so tell me a bit more specifically what your struggle is like these days. You aren't seeing ghosts or hallucinations, right? .. it doesn't sound like you are saying that. I wonder if it is the spirit in others that you have been noticing, or if it is some internal spiritual problems. If you give more description it will help me to know what can be helpful.
 
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O Lord it's really detailed and yes sometimes I actually witness with my eyes spirit in patterns and also outright people's spirits that sometimes wink at me, I am going to sound completely crazy and this is my walk and my shame but I just want to describe two experinces that one is quite beautiful and the other is my shame and I hate myself for it. The first experience is a memory that I have, and it's a prexistence memory prior to birth, and I was standing with God and He was formless yet somehow discernible and He was all loving and radiant and my spirit vibrated unmeasured in His love and presence and we stood there though solemnly looking upon the earth, from a distance in space perhaps on the moon because the earth appeared as a globe. Then God showed me the life I was going to live by flashing images in my minds eye it wa to be terribly hard and God wa sympathetic and loving and gave me the choice to come here. Then my next ealiest memory a part verified by my mom was a traumatic one but I saw God in that traumatic experince in the room with me smiling the same way as He was before my birth. He left these memories in hindsight because of the deep doubt and doctrines of evil I would fight , and I thank Him everyday for doing that truly my faith is weak but God knew that an I love Him forever , anyway my next experince is a long time later a lot ha happened I thought God gave up on me and I became a "atheist" denying the Lor publically but in my heart and at night while homeless I would look up and speak to God , anyway while homeless I wa saved on my death bed which is a experince itself just prior to telling God ," I'm here at the table I get the hints what do you need me to do Father" well you would think after that I would be healed and onto putting on Christ in full but no that's not what happen and I am a disgrace for what I did, satan came himself and literally challenged my faith in the flesh in a magical game of deciet and I cursed the Lord and spat on the beautiful Lamb and I was tormented by every single doctrine and spirit possession had occurred. Anyway and do you know what the Lord did? He sent angels literally to clean me out and discard the possessing spirits and dispel the notions they had succeeded in convincing me of. The the Lord Jesus walked into the hospital room I was in , though I did not see Him and He asked the Angel," what did they do to him" and the Angel didn't let me precieve the answer everything wen silent the the Lord in sympathetic love to whatever the Angel said," ooo man" anyway then the Lord asked the Angel ," does he love me?" And the Angel said in a beautiful cry " yes!" And the Lord Jesus Christ in the most beautiful child like voice immediately said ," Father I don't want to loose this one" and the matter was resolved the Angel told me to not worry over the mysterious questions so much that "you'll know when you know" and that was it, but I say all that to describe just two of my many life long profound spiritual experinces , and I am struggling to protect my love for the Lord and not let evil destroy my inner child and I am often under attack and I cry in shame and I cry when I see the precious Lamb pictures in my heart with child like eyes and what I did, but then there's a notion that what I've done is for some greater purpose that I don't understand , and I'm just anyway I speak boldly in the Lord Jesus Christ because I have seen but even though my faith is weak and I struggle and near the point of suicide and the Holy Spirit told me once two things ( I'm a dad of 3) soms of God don't kill themselves! And fathers don't kill themselves! We are strong! But I don't feel it and I don't know why I was sent here and why I've been in this traumatic life and it hurts anyway God bless thanks for considering me and loving me
 
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does anyone else have this gift that to me has become a miserable curse, I am struggling both walking in the physical world and the spiritual world and to protect my love for the Lord Jesus Christ at any cost and my inner lamb , and it's really hard and I just wanted to know if anyone else has this gift and some experince that may give me understanding and comfort , I love you brothers and sisters and I'm really distant these days so I hardly speak and I cry a lot anyway God bless

I sent a prayer out to you. I do not wish for anyone in the Body of Christ to be miserable!
There are many gifts God can give us through the Holy Spirit. He also sends the Holy Spirit to leads us in conviction and repentance. Now when it comes to the "spiritual world" it should be tested especially if you are struggling with entities "spirits" that are creating havoc in your life. It may be best to put on your armor of God and rebuke them in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. If they begin to go away, you will know they did not belong there in the first place.
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Hi Jarod, welcome to CF! .. yes it can be hard to get on top of the spiritual these days, with all the strange ideas out there.. so tell me a bit more specifically what your struggle is like these days. You aren't seeing ghosts or hallucinations, right? .. it doesn't sound like you are saying that. I wonder if it is the spirit in others that you have been noticing, or if it is some internal spiritual problems. If you give more description it will help me to know what can be helpful.
Yes, Jarod. You are seeing hallucinations.
 
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To my knowledge I was not but thank you for the insight I never thought of a being born in the caul and it occurred to me that the veil is removed from our hearts :) God bless I was however born with jaundice

I found this piece very sad on wiki ," if removed to quickly, the caul can leave wounds on the infants flesh, at the attachment points that can leave permanent scars"
 
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I sent a prayer out to you. I do not wish for anyone in the Body of Christ to be miserable!
There are many gifts God can give us through the Holy Spirit. He also sends the Holy Spirit to leads us in conviction and repentance. Now when it comes to the "spiritual world" it should be tested especially if you are struggling with entities "spirits" that are creating havoc in your life. It may be best to put on your armor of God and rebuke them in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. If they begin to go away, you will know they did not belong there in the first place.
Many blessings.
Thank you
 
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Yes, Jarod. You are seeing hallucinations.

These are not hallucinations to me these are verified experiences in which others were present and had a physical reality as well as a spiritual . Some of what I experince I deeply wish to be a hallucination , but other parts are quite beautiful and wouldn't trade them for the world .
 
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O Lord it's really detailed and yes sometimes I actually witness with my eyes spirit in patterns and also outright people's spirits that sometimes wink at me,
Hi Jarod, yes I get what you mean and it isn't crazy, but rather it shows that you have not chosen to disregard or disbelieve the spiritual realm. I don't know if there is anyone who doesn't, at some time, get a taste of what you are describing, but we all have to deal with it somehow.

What I can tell you about this, what I understand so far, is the soul is the self-awareness. That's who we are, your sense of "self", and my sense of "self".. but there is also spirit, and that is a different thing again. The spirit is what "breathes" itself out, as an expression through us, that others will think is our soul.. but consider John 8:34-36, that the way in which we think can be holy or sinful - and that is the spirit which operates within us (Ephesians 2:2, 1 Corinthians 6:20).

Now, what this means, is that if we are of holy spirit, then that is the perfection of love in us (1 John 4:16 - God is love). This means that our struggle is against the world (eg: 1 John 4:4), as there are people all around us who do not have the knowledge of the gospel sufficiently, that they have become slaves of sin - and therefore, they are demonic in spirit.

So when you see that people are winking at you or saying things that seem a bit off-the-wall, these are attempts to shake your spirit loose of love, to get you to follow an idea of distrust - so that if you were to begin thinking in a way that is not solid, then you have been taken captive to think in a way that is not The Holy Spirit.

That's our struggle in a nutshell, to remain pure of spirit and victorious over them.

It puts a new spin on Matthew 15:18 when you consider that the parable of the sower in Mark 4, that the seeds are words (ideas expressed) that grow, and that there is a type of seed that produces thorns, thistles and tares (Matthew 13:27-28).

Now when a person winks at you (Proverbs 6:13), you have no idea what he is thinking that would make him do that, so you are forced to speculate. It isn't likely that you would ask him outright "why did you wink just now?" .. and if you did, you'd probably get some lame answer that is a lie to cover up the real thing he was thinking. So in that way you know that he is of a spirit that does not do the truth. A spirit that is inferior to God. Take that a step further: any time someone is unable to truthfully explain themselves, they are lying - ashamed of what they have done. They are walking in the darkness, and that is where we recognise 1 John 1:6-7 and 1 John 4:18.

Make no mistake about Ephesians 6:12 though, that the struggle is against a personal adversary and it is not the world outside that is trying to bring you down. I know this, because I meet people everywhere who are failing to think the right way of me, and I know that it is not because I have been of a spirit that tempts them to fall, but that they genuinely do not love the truth enough to receive me for who I am and so because they are hating me of envy or pride or whatever sin that made them too weak to think rightly of me.. it shows that the spiritual adversary is able to take minds captive through a person's sin even when the one over whom they stumbled was not of a spirit that was tempting them (Matthew 11:6, James 1:13).

In this way it is true to say that it is hallucination, but it doesn't make it any less real, nor does it really help to understand how to deal with it.

.. so I hope this is helpful to think about, and as you come to realise that deeper meaning in John 10:10 and John 14:18, then you see that He is here with us too, as the spirit of God, who is love (1 Corinthians 13:12).

I am going to sound completely crazy and this is my walk and my shame but I just want to describe two experinces that one is quite beautiful and the other is my shame and I hate myself for it. The first experience is a memory that I have, and it's a prexistence memory prior to birth, and I was standing with God and He was formless yet somehow discernible and He was all loving and radiant and my spirit vibrated unmeasured in His love and presence and we stood there though solemnly looking upon the earth, from a distance in space perhaps on the moon because the earth appeared as a globe. Then God showed me the life I was going to live by flashing images in my minds eye it wa to be terribly hard and God wa sympathetic and loving and gave me the choice to come here. Then my next ealiest memory a part verified by my mom was a traumatic one but I saw God in that traumatic experince in the room with me smiling the same way as He was before my birth. He left these memories in hindsight because of the deep doubt and doctrines of evil I would fight , and I thank Him everyday for doing that truly my faith is weak but God knew that an I love Him forever , anyway my next experince is a long time later a lot ha happened I thought God gave up on me and I became a "atheist" denying the Lor publically but in my heart and at night while homeless I would look up and speak to God , anyway while homeless I wa saved on my death bed which is a experince itself just prior to telling God ," I'm here at the table I get the hints what do you need me to do Father" well you would think after that I would be healed and onto putting on Christ in full but no that's not what happen and I am a disgrace for what I did, satan came himself and literally challenged my faith in the flesh in a magical game of deciet and I cursed the Lord and spat on the beautiful Lamb and I was tormented by every single doctrine and spirit possession had occurred. Anyway and do you know what the Lord did? He sent angels literally to clean me out and discard the possessing spirits and dispel the notions they had succeeded in convincing me of. The the Lord Jesus walked into the hospital room I was in , though I did not see Him and He asked the Angel," what did they do to him" and the Angel didn't let me precieve the answer everything wen silent the the Lord in sympathetic love to whatever the Angel said," ooo man" anyway then the Lord asked the Angel ," does he love me?" And the Angel said in a beautiful cry " yes!" And the Lord Jesus Christ in the most beautiful child like voice immediately said ," Father I don't want to loose this one" and the matter was resolved the Angel told me to not worry over the mysterious questions so much that "you'll know when you know" and that was it, but I say all that to describe just two of my many life long profound spiritual experinces , and I am struggling to protect my love for the Lord and not let evil destroy my inner child and I am often under attack and I cry in shame and I cry when I see the precious Lamb pictures in my heart with child like eyes and what I did, but then there's a notion that what I've done is for some greater purpose that I don't understand , and I'm just anyway I speak boldly in the Lord Jesus Christ because I have seen but even though my faith is weak and I struggle and near the point of suicide and the Holy Spirit told me once two things ( I'm a dad of 3) soms of God don't kill themselves! And fathers don't kill themselves! We are strong! But I don't feel it and I don't know why I was sent here and why I've been in this traumatic life and it hurts anyway God bless thanks for considering me and loving me
It's all very interesting! .. and I'm just not sure that I have the right picture in mind about the angel when you said you were in the hospital .. and it isn't so clear whether you are saying that an angel was there, who was not a doctor or a nurse, or whether the angel was one of the doctors or nurses. If you could explain that a bit more to me I would understand better.
 
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Hi Jarod, yes I get what you mean and it isn't crazy, but rather it shows that you have not chosen to disregard or disbelieve the spiritual realm. I don't know if there is anyone who doesn't, at some time, get a taste of what you are describing, but we all have to deal with it somehow.

What I can tell you about this, what I understand so far, is the soul is the self-awareness. That's who we are, your sense of "self", and my sense of "self".. but there is also spirit, and that is a different thing again. The spirit is what "breathes" itself out, as an expression through us, that others will think is our soul.. but consider John 8:34-36, that the way in which we think can be holy or sinful - and that is the spirit which operates within us (Ephesians 2:2, 1 Corinthians 6:20).

Now, what this means, is that if we are of holy spirit, then that is the perfection of love in us (1 John 4:16 - God is love). This means that our struggle is against the world (eg: 1 John 4:4), as there are people all around us who do not have the knowledge of the gospel sufficiently, that they have become slaves of sin - and therefore, they are demonic in spirit.

So when you see that people are winking at you or saying things that seem a bit off-the-wall, these are attempts to shake your spirit loose of love, to get you to follow an idea of distrust - so that if you were to begin thinking in a way that is not solid, then you have been taken captive to think in a way that is not The Holy Spirit.

That's our struggle in a nutshell, to remain pure of spirit and victorious over them.

It puts a new spin on Matthew 15:18 when you consider that the parable of the sower in Mark 4, that the seeds are words (ideas expressed) that grow, and that there is a type of seed that produces thorns, thistles and tares (Matthew 13:27-28).

Now when a person winks at you (Proverbs 6:13), you have no idea what he is thinking that would make him do that, so you are forced to speculate. It isn't likely that you would ask him outright "why did you wink just now?" .. and if you did, you'd probably get some lame answer that is a lie to cover up the real thing he was thinking. So in that way you know that he is of a spirit that does not do the truth. A spirit that is inferior to God. Take that a step further: any time someone is unable to truthfully explain themselves, they are lying - ashamed of what they have done. They are walking in the darkness, and that is where we recognise 1 John 1:6-7 and 1 John 4:18.

Make no mistake about Ephesians 6:12 though, that the struggle is against a personal adversary and it is not the world outside that is trying to bring you down. I know this, because I meet people everywhere who are failing to think the right way of me, and I know that it is not because I have been of a spirit that tempts them to fall, but that they genuinely do not love the truth enough to receive me for who I am and so because they are hating me of envy or pride or whatever sin that made them too weak to think rightly of me.. it shows that the spiritual adversary is able to take minds captive through a person's sin even when the one over whom they stumbled was not of a spirit that was tempting them (Matthew 11:6, James 1:13).

In this way it is true to say that it is hallucination, but it doesn't make it any less real, nor does it really help to understand how to deal with it.

.. so I hope this is helpful to think about, and as you come to realise that deeper meaning in John 10:10 and John 14:18, then you see that He is here with us too, as the spirit of God, who is love (1 Corinthians 13:12).


It's all very interesting! .. and I'm just not sure that I have the right picture in mind about the angel when you said you were in the hospital .. and it isn't so clear whether you are saying that an angel was there, who was not a doctor or a nurse, or whether the angel was one of the doctors or nurses. If you could explain that a bit more to me I would understand better.

Thank you so much for your detailed and thoughtful response and has also brought me some comfort, when I say I see them wink at me I mean that I see their spirit turn around from their flesh and wink with a smile , and I know that God says the wink is a sign of deciet but somehow it's still unclear to me if that is a sign of a deeper mission within reality and an acknowledgment there of. I also apologize for my grammar and spelling errors I have been in tears all morning thinking of what I've done what's happened to me and if I am all worth anything

as to the experience with the excorcism performed by the angels prior to going to the hospital I was in church and suddenly my brother chad looked at me and said," you've got to goto jail tonight, and paused and said," don't worry you'll like your cell" so after he said that I knew I had failed God and something was going to happen and outside the homeless mission I was confronted by who I believe is Satan himself who appeared 50 meters away from me as I lay in pain in the grass under some trees, and he began to speak and accuse me of everything and suddenly a bright blue car pulled up and satan said that this was Jesus ," and began to tell Jesus that I tried to bribe him and that I disgraced God throwing Him away to get to the Father and to make a deal in hell , and the man said," **** him " and drove off and then I asked satan to come near we were speaking telepathically and he said ," no"! And I was very distraught and suddenly satan said," the only reason you're alive is because the Holy Spirit likes you!" And promptly disappeared in black mist

then through the black mist just as this it was separating two brothers in Christ came running up and said," are you ok Jarod? I saw you in church you were moving very weird and I'm worried about you would you goto the hospital just to get checked out please?" And I said," yes" then when I arrived at the hospital two female blonde nurses came in the room and were watching me and yes I know I sound completely crazy began speaking to me "telepathically" and that's when they performed the exorcism, and I could hear the spirits as they left my body, and then Jesus came into the room in Spirit only and I could hear Him speaking to the angels telepathically as well . And now I sound like a nut case lol but the whole thing was really traumatic and beautiful I'm glad I can laugh at how crazy I sound now ...
 
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Thank you so much for your detailed and thoughtful response and has also brought me some comfort, when I say I see them wink at me I mean that I see their spirit turn around from their flesh and wink with a smile , and I know that God says the wink is a sign of deciet but somehow it's still unclear to me if that is a sign of a deeper mission within reality and an acknowledgment there of. I also apologize for my grammar and spelling errors I have been in tears all morning thinking of what I've done what's happened to me and if I am all worth anything

as to the experience with the excorcism performed by the angels prior to going to the hospital I was in church and suddenly my brother chad looked at me and said," you've got to goto jail tonight, and paused and said," don't worry you'll like your cell" so after he said that I knew I had failed God and something was going to happen and outside the homeless mission I was confronted by who I believe is Satan himself who appeared 50 meters away from me as I lay in pain in the grass under some trees, and he began to speak and accuse me of everything and suddenly a bright blue car pulled up and satan said that this was Jesus ," and began to tell Jesus that I tried to bribe him and that I disgraced God throwing Him away to get to the Father and to make a deal in hell , and the man said," **** him " and drove off and then I asked satan to come near we were speaking telepathically and he said ," no"! And I was very distraught and suddenly satan said," the only reason you're alive is because the Holy Spirit likes you!" And promptly disappeared in black mist

then through the black mist just as this it was separating two brothers in Christ came running up and said," are you ok Jarod? I saw you in church you were moving very weird and I'm worried about you would you goto the hospital just to get checked out please?" And I said," yes" then when I arrived at the hospital two female blonde nurses came in the room and were watching me and yes I know I sound completely crazy began speaking to me "telepathically" and that's when they performed the exorcism, and I could hear the spirits as they left my body, and then Jesus came into the room in Spirit only and I could hear Him speaking to the angels telepathically as well . And now I sound like a nut case lol but the whole thing was really traumatic and beautiful I'm glad I can laugh at how crazy I sound now ...
Yeah that's all really interesting, and looking at it from the outside, we would see that it's all going on in your imagination - so that we cannot be sure that others are aware of the experiences you have been having (especially the telepathic conversations). But even so, that your experiences are having an impact on what you believe (your confidence in who you are, etc). So we treat it as a thing that is really happening, because it is having a real impact on you, even if you are the only one who is witnessing it (plus the spirit realm that knows you and is contending for possession of your soul).

A possible exception is the man you say was Satan speaking to you.. if that is a real man who was possessed by the spirit calling himself Satan, then it is possible that he might have some memory of it, and also if it was a real, physical conversation (as you say there was a blue car), then there might have been other people in the park within earshot who would remember the conversation too. So that separates the spiritual and physical realms .. that it isn't necessarily less real if it isn't physically happening, but it does potentially leave evidence beyond memories. Once your memories are expressed through word, then they become a physical manifestation .. although the weight of that evidence depends upon your credibility as a witness giving testimony, and you can see that in present times, the ignorance of the reality of spirituality tends more toward branding seers as lunatics.

So because of that, (I don't want you to be so quickly regarded as a lunatic for what you are going through!).. I just want to get some clarification about what you mean when you say that you see the spirit turn around from the flesh and wink with a smile. Do you mean to say that you are seeing the spirit as a person doing one thing while the body of the person does another thing?
 
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Also just to add to the humor element and I'm not making this up lol, while satan was condemning me a man who had been concerned about me earlier walked up and had a bag of kitkat bars and gave me some to eat , while satan was 50 meters away from me slunched over condemning me, and I took a break and eat some white chocolate KitKat bars together silently and at the time this was not humorous but now I laugh so hard . God is love , and really humorous in the perfect way!
 
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Yes brother ! I love your intellectual ability and spiritual understanding that we can actually have this conversation it's really a relief to me . The nurses still work at that hospital whom I believe to be angels in the flesh because of their spiritual abilities used to perform the excorcism themselves , also the man who gave me KitKats and the man who arrived in the blue (what I think is a 1960s comarro) he pulled up just as satan began the accusations . I don't believe that was Jesus , Jesus wouldn't say " **** him " and drive off ! So it's weird the spiritual and physical realms in my experince interact with as you have said objective evidence. I've seen the winking spirits a few times and it is that I see their actual spirit doing another action than their flesh, I am seeing both at the same time . I want to thank you for engaging in this conversation and not considering m crazy because I have gone over all the events of all my experiences with a fine tooth comb and I come up mystified it would be nice if I could listen to the angels and not question these things to this point but that's apart of who I am, apart of the adventure .
 
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Hi Jarod, yes I get what you mean and it isn't crazy, but rather it shows that you have not chosen to disregard or disbelieve the spiritual realm. I don't know if there is anyone who doesn't, at some time, get a taste of what you are describing, but we all have to deal with it somehow.

What I can tell you about this, what I understand so far, is the soul is the self-awareness. That's who we are, your sense of "self", and my sense of "self".. but there is also spirit, and that is a different thing again. The spirit is what "breathes" itself out, as an expression through us, that others will think is our soul.. but consider John 8:34-36, that the way in which we think can be holy or sinful - and that is the spirit which operates within us (Ephesians 2:2, 1 Corinthians 6:20).

Now, what this means, is that if we are of holy spirit, then that is the perfection of love in us (1 John 4:16 - God is love). This means that our struggle is against the world (eg: 1 John 4:4), as there are people all around us who do not have the knowledge of the gospel sufficiently, that they have become slaves of sin - and therefore, they are demonic in spirit.

So when you see that people are winking at you or saying things that seem a bit off-the-wall, these are attempts to shake your spirit loose of love, to get you to follow an idea of distrust - so that if you were to begin thinking in a way that is not solid, then you have been taken captive to think in a way that is not The Holy Spirit.

That's our struggle in a nutshell, to remain pure of spirit and victorious over them.

It puts a new spin on Matthew 15:18 when you consider that the parable of the sower in Mark 4, that the seeds are words (ideas expressed) that grow, and that there is a type of seed that produces thorns, thistles and tares (Matthew 13:27-28).

Now when a person winks at you (Proverbs 6:13), you have no idea what he is thinking that would make him do that, so you are forced to speculate. It isn't likely that you would ask him outright "why did you wink just now?" .. and if you did, you'd probably get some lame answer that is a lie to cover up the real thing he was thinking. So in that way you know that he is of a spirit that does not do the truth. A spirit that is inferior to God. Take that a step further: any time someone is unable to truthfully explain themselves, they are lying - ashamed of what they have done. They are walking in the darkness, and that is where we recognise 1 John 1:6-7 and 1 John 4:18.

Make no mistake about Ephesians 6:12 though, that the struggle is against a personal adversary and it is not the world outside that is trying to bring you down. I know this, because I meet people everywhere who are failing to think the right way of me, and I know that it is not because I have been of a spirit that tempts them to fall, but that they genuinely do not love the truth enough to receive me for who I am and so because they are hating me of envy or pride or whatever sin that made them too weak to think rightly of me.. it shows that the spiritual adversary is able to take minds captive through a person's sin even when the one over whom they stumbled was not of a spirit that was tempting them (Matthew 11:6, James 1:13).

In this way it is true to say that it is hallucination, but it doesn't make it any less real, nor does it really help to understand how to deal with it.

.. so I hope this is helpful to think about, and as you come to realise that deeper meaning in John 10:10 and John 14:18, then you see that He is here with us too, as the spirit of God, who is love (1 Corinthians 13:12).


It's all very interesting! .. and I'm just not sure that I have the right picture in mind about the angel when you said you were in the hospital .. and it isn't so clear whether you are saying that an angel was there, who was not a doctor or a nurse, or whether the angel was one of the doctors or nurses. If you could explain that a bit more to me I would understand better.
Yeah that's all really interesting, and looking at it from the outside, we would see that it's all going on in your imagination - so that we cannot be sure that others are aware of the experiences you have been having (especially the telepathic conversations). But even so, that your experiences are having an impact on what you believe (your confidence in who you are, etc). So we treat it as a thing that is really happening, because it is having a real impact on you, even if you are the only one who is witnessing it (plus the spirit realm that knows you and is contending for possession of your soul).

A possible exception is the man you say was Satan speaking to you.. if that is a real man who was possessed by the spirit calling himself Satan, then it is possible that he might have some memory of it, and also if it was a real, physical conversation (as you say there was a blue car), then there might have been other people in the park within earshot who would remember the conversation too. So that separates the spiritual and physical realms .. that it isn't necessarily less real if it isn't physically happening, but it does potentially leave evidence beyond memories. Once your memories are expressed through word, then they become a physical manifestation .. although the weight of that evidence depends upon your credibility as a witness giving testimony, and you can see that in present times, the ignorance of the reality of spirituality tends more toward branding seers as lunatics.

So because of that, (I don't want you to be so quickly regarded as a lunatic for what you are going through!).. I just want to get some clarification about what you mean when you say that you see the spirit turn around from the flesh and wink with a smile. Do you mean to say that you are seeing the spirit as a person doing one thing while the body of the person does another thing?

Also the impression I am getting from my experince and this may be completely wrong and probably is, but that certain spirits have the ability to manifest in the flesh in and out of the spirit realm , the timing is to prfect on the car pulling up as I was being condemned a cell phone call couldn't have arranged this whole thing it was supernatural
 
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Yes brother ! I love your intellectual ability and spiritual understanding that we can actually have this conversation it's really a relief to me . The nurses still work at that hospital whom I believe to be angels in the flesh because of their spiritual abilities used to perform the excorcism themselves , also the man who gave me KitKats and the man who arrived in the blue (what I think is a 1960s comarro) he pulled up just as satan began the accusations . I don't believe that was Jesus , Jesus wouldn't say " **** him " and drive off ! So it's weird the spiritual and physical realms in my experince interact with as you have said objective evidence. I've seen the winking spirits a few times and it is that I see their actual spirit doing another action than their flesh, I am seeing both at the same time . I want to thank you for engaging in this conversation and not considering m crazy because I have gone over all the events of all my experiences with a fine tooth comb and I come up mystified it would be nice if I could listen to the angels and not question these things to this point but that's apart of who I am, apart of the adventure .
OK, well I because we are all members of the body of Christ with different functions (some being ears, some eyes, some hands and feet etc), then I will just say that I haven't had the experience of the spiritual realm in the same way as you are describing - that the spirit is separate from the body, but rather what I understand spirit to be, is expressed through the body. In that way, I am more inclined to see your experience as imagined than real - although the impact it has on you when you experience it does have a real effect on your mind, that then goes on to influence your actions in the world. I hope that is helpful, and you can let me know if you need me to say more about that.

The other thing is that I agree with your belief of the driver of the blue car.. and that the devil is the Father of Lies. I actually know the nature of Jesus well enough to agree with you that it was a lie to call that spirit Jesus, because you are right: 1 Corinthians 13 "Love bears all things, hopes, believes and endures all things". Jesus certainly wouldn't say **** him and drive off like that.

Lastly, I should add that I do not believe that there are "angels in the flesh" so to speak, but rather I would say that angels can manifest as spirits through the flesh, and that is a matter so high above the realm of earthly kingdoms that I won't get into the nature of spiritual possession as it applies .. let it be enough for me to say that if those nurses were possessed by angels for the purpose of exorcising you that day, that is an idea I can entertain as a real possibility. But I would caution against the belief that leads you to expect those same nurses to be the same angels every time you see them. That's not how it works (as I explained up front: John 8:34-36).

For that reason, you can see that a Christian who is sanctified (eg: Hebrews 10:14), is showing The Holy Spirit, and that expression of the love of God through their character gives us a glimpse of who He truly is - "for now we see Him as through a mirror dimly .. but on that day we shall see Him and know Him fully for who He is".
Also the impression I am getting from my experince and this may be completely wrong and probably is, but that certain spirits have the ability to manifest in the flesh in and out of the spirit realm , the timing is to prfect on the car pulling up as I was being condemned a cell phone call couldn't have arranged this whole thing it was supernatural
Yeah, that's the reality of things "Isaiah 55:9" - but the faithless ones don't believe that reality, so they are inclined to see it as a paranoid disorder, and even some have gone so far as to think it is a conspiracy (as you said, there is some natural suspicion whether humans are organising it with cellphones), and by so doing, they worship the created rather than the creator.
 
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That has helped me some that it's not the same people every time that's a wonderful insight , however I have to believe all the characters in action knew of their roles. Take for example what chad said to m prior to ever going to the hospital chad prophetically said ," you're going to have to go to jail tonight, don't worry you'll like your cell" . So was it the Spirit taking over his body and uttering those words? Or was it his knowledge given to him by the Spirit on what was going to occur.

So I see the hand of God knowing my mind and my doubts in that chad told me this was going to happen hours prior to the craziness beginning as proof to me that this was not imagined. God has done that with my experiences given me proof that they happened.

In that vein even my first memories , the one before birth and one after, my mother confirms my first childhood memory is a real event and it was a traumatic one that happpened when I was just barely two years old.so. My mom confirming my first childhood memory confirmed my prexistence memory, it's totally bizarre

but when I look at this I see God's hand because He knows my doubt and my actions and has planned accordingly around them to mold me in this way. I struggle with the idea I was sent on a mission from God , and I know I was (prexistence memory) and I know that sounds grandiose ,and I want to say truly my faith is weak, because even though I have seen and know the Lord I still doubt and still have gone astray ! And to that I am much weaker and ashamed then anyone. however I struggle with the "sent on a mission from God" and the great sin of denying the Lord before the evil one, and being forgiven still! as being apart of the mission!?!? or that I screwed up royally and failed, I don't understand how this works
 
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It would be comforting to fully believe the memory I have with God showing me the life I was going to live, as proof that He has never left me and this was planned, but some part of my mind says relying on that takes away from the value of my faith and puts this into works. So I doubt even the most beautiful experince with God that I know to be real because I don't wish to at all diminish faith in the Lord Jesus Christ into foolish works
 
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I have struggled with mental health issues my whole life and that is a confirmed objective fact, and I have been diagnosed with a plethora, and this has been apart of my life long struggle and affliction, some have said bi polar 2 and some have said bpd and anxiety major depression but sadly as is the case in the world every doctor sees something different , but I know your concern and love that I am experiencing powerful hallucinations that are indicative of a severe mental disorder such as schizophrenia I worry as well, that's why I constantly think mule over what has happened to me and is happening to me and search for peace and comfort , never the less this has been a real challenge to me of my faith and love for the Lord Jesus Christ , in that vein I can't disregard and also that God has given me objective proof of the experiences. Thank you kindly of course every crazy person does not think that they are crazy so I have happily joined their ranks it seems... but one time while homeless I walked by a graffiti sign on a wall that read," I feel bad for those who haven't gone crazy" and I laughed and smiled nodding in agreement
 
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