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Secure in My Feminine Identity

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http://www.anotherway.com/pages/otherway.html

This is the story of Anne Paulk, who was sexually molested as a child, and whose feelings of trauma and pain manifested in a fear of being feminine, wild behavior, and sexualization of women. As you read her story, some things to keep in mind:

1) Notice how her pain started out with getting lost in wild behavior, then eventually sinking into a same sex relationship

2) How did trust in a higher power bring her comfort and solace?

3) Does there seem to be a significance of the role of self-identity in the occurance of same-sex attraction?
 

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This is the second one of these stories you posted that I have read and I need to tell you what I think about them.

IMO it's more an exercise in creative writing (and not all that creative if you know anything about writing) and suited for those True Life magazines they sell at the drugstore. In this case, True Life Christan stories. I've known people to write for them, they make the stuff up and follow a simple formula: define a problem, tell why it happened, end with redemption that supports your target audiences beliefs. It's a living. And, unfortunately, thats how these stories are coming across to me and I can't really take them seriously.
 
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This is the second one of these stories you posted that I have read and I need to tell you what I think about them.

IMO it's more an exercise in creative writing (and not all that creative if you know anything about writing) and suited for those True Life magazines they sell at the drugstore. In this case, True Life Christan stories. I've known people to write for them, they make the stuff up and follow a simple formula: define a problem, tell why it happened, end with redemption that supports your target audiences beliefs. It's a living. And, unfortunately, thats how these stories are coming across to me and I can't really take them seriously.
Well, I hope you decide to overcome your bias.
These are real people, like it or not.
 
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Well, I hope you decide to overcome your bias.
These are real people, like it or not.

Perhaps, perhaps not. Just out of couriosity, why do you believe they are real people? After visiting the website I saw nothing that would sway me either way.
 
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I'm glad she is secure in her identity. I was never sexually molested, and yet I'm a lesbian, so I guess it just goes to show that you can be gay and somewhat sane. I have none of the sypmtoms you listed, so what does that say about your argument?
 
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1) Notice how her pain started out with getting lost in wild behavior, then eventually sinking into a same sex relationship
Wild behavior is wild behavior... it is no better nor worse than if she had run off trying to find solace in the arms of a man (as happens far more often).

2) How did trust in a higher power bring her comfort and solace?
It brought her comfort, but before that, it looks like it caused her and her partner a lot of pain and anguish

3) Does there seem to be a significance of the role of self-identity in the occurance of same-sex attraction?
I think I see more a of link between pain and focusing on someone or something other than God as the first priority in one's life.

I continued to grow in my relationship with God, and eventually I realized that something had changed deep inside of me. God changed my sexual identity from ex-gay to godly woman. I was learning that God loved me with a gentle delight, especially when I relied on his strength.
Her identity moved from focusing on her internal struggle with trying to fit in as a heterosexual woman, to being a focus on God. The "gay" thing quit dominating her thinking (either in a positive or a negative sense. )
Perhaps this is a way for me to think about my own situation.... rather than stressing out over the gender of the person I should go out with, I should just take a step back and make sure that my focus is God centered rather than being on my own personal issues and struggles.

I don't see this as a proof of sexual identity being changed... but it does look like it was a great example of peace being found by giving the problem up to God and trusting in His love.

Thanks for the post.

-Amber
(Hoping I didn't tick absolutely everyone off.)
 
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I'm glad she is secure in her identity. I was never sexually molested, and yet I'm a lesbian, so I guess it just goes to show that you can be gay and somewhat sane. I have none of the sypmtoms you listed, so what does that say about your argument?
I don't recall making much of an argument. Which argument are you referring to?

Why do I... What? Are you disputing it?
I was just wondering what led you to that conclusion.
 
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All these stories you post have in common the notion of what is acceptable gender specific behavior.

I am apparently not particularly feminine in my behavior (according to what people seem to believe is feminine- "straight" people have at times assumed I was a lesbian because of their own misconceptions about gender and sexual orientation). As a child I preferred things people outside my family often insisted made me a tomboy. My mother corrected them, "don't be silly climbing a tree doesn't make her a tomboy, it's make her a child who likes to climb trees" She didn't choose to push dolls on me when I preferred trucks, she didn't insist on dresses and patent leather mary janes when I wanted boots and jeans. When I wanted karate instead of ballet, and wanted to blow things up with my chemistry set with the boys in the neighborhood instead of playing barbie with the girls my mother just bought new chemistry supplies after returning the barbies people gave me for birthday gifts.

I can't stand make up, having my hair done (in fact if it didn't lend itself to people assuming I had just come from chemo I would just shave my head and be done with dealing with hair) I can never understand why transvestite men find such pleasure in wearing the things I consider female torture devices (panty hose, etc..)

Most of my closest friends in life have been male. I don't really identify with women. I was sexually assaulted as an adolescent, quite violently. I did find intimacy somewhat difficult for some time, but I never was attracted to women or felt the desire to turn away from men as potential partners.

I'm a straight woman and find I don't really care for the pursuits of most of my women friends or coworkers. Women tend to find me a bit odd. That's fine. I'm still straight. I had a friend who was a lesbian (she passed away a few years ago after losing her battle with ovarian cancer) she and I were very much alike. We'd had very similar experiences growing up. Our personal interests were supported and our choices generally validated by our parents. She was not sexually assaulted. She didn't find men offensive, or hate them, she like me did prefer men as friends and besides her partner of 15 years and myself most of her friends were men. She took care of her own incapacitated mother with a dedication that reflected their deep and loving relationship until she herself was no longer able to do so.

Other than sexual orientation we were amazingly similar. Her partner on the other hand is a very feminine by current fashion industry standards. Her make up is always perfect, her hair carefully maintained, her clothing always up to the minute fashionable and perfectly tailored. She's a shoe shopping lunatic who drives me to distraction about shoes and pocketbooks (really I don't understand needing more than your work shoes, workout shoes and church shoes)

Having a traumatic experience can certainly effect your healthy sexual development, and perhaps cause children to question their sexual orientation at some point.. but I notice that these ex-gay sites specialize in stories of assault and bad relationships with the same sex parent making them gay, and pointing out how they had to learn to be comfortable being "manly men" or "feminine women"

Since gender norms are so strongly culturally defined it doesn't seem like these things can hold true beyond a few people.
 
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I was just wondering what led you to that conclusion.

To the conclusion that sexual trauma can cause sexual identity disorders, or to the conclusion that there are millions of gay people who are not traumatized?

Those aren't conclusions so much as facts.
 
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This is the second one of these stories you posted that I have read and I need to tell you what I think about them.

IMO it's more an exercise in creative writing (and not all that creative if you know anything about writing) and suited for those True Life magazines they sell at the drugstore. In this case, True Life Christan stories. I've known people to write for them, they make the stuff up and follow a simple formula: define a problem, tell why it happened, end with redemption that supports your target audiences beliefs. It's a living. And, unfortunately, thats how these stories are coming across to me and I can't really take them seriously.


I agreee completely. This just doesn't seem real to me, and I think these people are telling you what you want to hear. I call shennannigans.
 
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I agreee completely. This just doesn't seem real to me, and I think these people are telling you what you want to hear. I call shennannigans.
Except that you don't want to hear it.

Don't you think it's not very progressive to close your mind to what others have to say, just because you may not agree with it?
 
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Perhaps this is a way for me to think about my own situation.... rather than stressing out over the gender of the person I should go out with, I should just take a step back and make sure that my focus is God centered rather than being on my own personal issues and struggles.
This is very good advice.
In fact, I read once that one of the best ways to snap out of a depressive spell is to do something for someone else, because it gets you focused outward instead of inward.
 
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Except that you don't want to hear it.

Don't you think it's not very progressive to close your mind to what others have to say, just because you may not agree with it?

Not at all. In fact, I could honestly care less. But I'm not so trusting as you, apparently. I don't like to have the proverbial wool pulled over my eyes, because I'm only interested in the truth and both the posts you made recently with similar stories just seem like a big steamy pile to me. There is, of course, the possibility that these stories are true and - if they are - then... HUZZAH!

However, I do not believe this to be the case in either story. The way they are both written is VERY telling. And, to quote Forrest.. ".. and that's all I got to say about that."

EDIT: Speeling and Grammer
 
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is this the same "ex-lesbian" who is married to the "ex-gay" john paulk? you know, the one who was on the cover of time with his wife, and held a prominent role in exodus international until he was busted drinking in a gay bar?
 
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