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[SonOfTheWest]

You would also lose basis for morality in general and that is a slippery, slippery slope.

As a Christian who has a deep appreciation for both the study of history and of sociology. I reject an absurdest notion like that on general principal.

 

[Paulie079]

You need religion to survive college? Seriously? That's kind of sad.

My guess is that it has less to do with organized religion and more to do with Christ...

 

[laconicstudent]

You would also lose basis for morality in general and that is a slippery, slippery slope.

You may not have noticed this, but Judeo-Christian morality has had no legal basis in our country's governance for some time now, and we've done just fine.

 

[laconicstudent]

My guess is that it has less to do with organized religion and more to do with Christ...

Christianity is an organized religion. Anyways, still rather sad. If the OP finds school so unpleasant, she could always withdraw and let someone take her place.

Higher education at a university is an opportunity. If someone needs something to "get through", they have an attitude issue.

 

[Paulie079]

As a Christian who has a deep appreciation for both the study of history and of sociology. I reject an absurdest notion like that on general principal.

As a former sociology major, I understand it's importance. But history and sociology won't answer everything. There are existential realities about us I relation to God and the way we were created that transcend things like sociology and history. Make sure the lens with which you're looking at the world isn't too narrow.

I am interested to hear your specific reasons for wanting to reject what I said though.

 

[Paulie079]

You may not have noticed this, but Judeo-Christian morality has had no legal basis in our country's governance for some time now, and we've done just fine.

That's not entirely true...And does that mean the government should throw out any and all governance
with a moral basis that even resembles that of Christianity?

 

[Paulie079]

Christianity is an organized religion. Anyways, still rather sad. If the OP finds school so unpleasant, she could always withdraw and let someone take her place.

Higher education at a university is an opportunity. If someone needs something to "get through", they have an attitude issue.

If you've been a college student yourself, you should know firsthand that it isn't always puppies and rainbows. It really is an opportunity and a blessing for sure but issues of school and life in general may not always make it so easy to just cruise through on your own just because you're a college student. And if you did just glide on through then you're in the minority.

 

[SonOfTheWest]

As a former sociology major, I understand it's importance. But history and sociology won't answer everything. There are existential realities about us I relation to God and the way we were created that transcend things like sociology and history. Make sure the lens with which you're looking at the world isn't too narrow.

I am interested to hear your specific reasons for wanting to reject what I said though.

I don't know if you actually were a sociology major. But assuming you actually were it makes your statement even more bizarre. Taken to it's logical conclusion it would show a world history VASTLY different from the one we have. There is a difference between refined morality and no morality.

 

[laconicstudent]

That's not entirely true...And does that mean the government should throw out any and all governance
with a moral basis that even resembles that of Christianity?

I didn't say that.

If you've been a college student yourself, you should know firsthand that it isn't always puppies and rainbows. It really is an opportunity and a blessing for sure but issues of school and life in general may not always make so easy to just cruise through on your own just because you're a college student.

Yeah, sure, that hardly equates into Jesus being the "only thing that gets me through".

 

[SonOfTheWest]

I didn't say that.




Yeah, sure, that hardly equates into Jesus being the "only thing that gets me through".

Sigh. I blame our side's sometime overwhelming vehemence to color us all the persecuted victim.

 

[Paulie079]

I don't know if you actually were a sociology major. But assuming you actually were it makes your statement even more bizarre. Taken to it's logical conclusion it would show a world history VASTLY different from the one we have. There is a difference between refined morality and no morality.

What would be characteristic of a world with refined morality and of a world with no morality? Just so you can paint the distinction better so I can understand your train of thought.

P.S. I really was a sociology major...promise.

 

[Paulie079]

I didn't say that.




Yeah, sure, that hardly equates into Jesus being the "only thing that gets me through".

Give me a break...

 

[laconicstudent]

Give me a break...

I'm sorry that some of us find college enjoyable and not some desperate unhappiness that drives us to consider religion the "only thing that gets us through".

 

[Paulie079]

Sigh. I blame our side's sometime overwhelming vehemence to color us all the persecuted victim.

Yeah...and I'm not always so excited about "our side's" occasional inclination to appease (aka suck up to) the dissenters...

 

[Paulie079]

I'm sorry that some of us find college enjoyable and not some desperate unhappiness that drives us to consider religion the "only thing that gets us through".

While some have religion, others have ignorance. Did you pick that up in college then?

I feel like I could try to explain myself but it'd just be a waste of breath. What's the use in giving explanation to someone who will ignorantly only ever hear what they want to?

 

[SonOfTheWest]

What would be characteristic of a world with refined morality and of a world with no morality? Just so you can paint the distinction better so I can understand your train of thought.

You specifically used the term "basis for morality." Though "foundation",etc would also have worked. Regardless. Psychology, history, sociology and biology refute that specific wording. Non Christians both prior to the formation of Christianity and after it have had foundations for their moral codes. The proposed secular society from earlier posts would also have a basis.

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Yeah...and I'm not always so excited about "our side's" occasional inclination to appease (aka suck up to) the dissenters...

*Shrugs* two extreme sides where a sane median exists. I'll choose the sane median.

 

[laconicstudent]

While some have religion, others have ignorance. Did you pick that up in college then?

Yes, I am a Christian, but I didn't pick it up in college. And yes, there sure are some pretty ignorant people out there. Sad, really.

 

[Paulie079]

You specifically used the term "basis for morality." Though "foundation",etc would also have worked. Regardless. Psychology, history, sociology and biology refute that specific wording. Non Christians both prior to the formation of Christianity and after it have had foundations for their moral codes. The proposed secular society from earlier posts would also have a basis.

Really...they have an objective basis for morality?

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Really...they have an objective basis for morality?

Where in my above post did I use the word objective?