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Secret Societies

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Ornela, Sep 11, 2008.

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  1. Ornela

    Ornela Senior Member

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    Does any of you think that any of the secret societies/sects/cults will have anything to do with the endtimes? I mean as in maybe the antichrist will come from one of these societies...things like that.
     
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  2. HisdaughterJen

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    I think the cults have to do with the prophecied "turning away from the faith".

    The anti-christ will come in his own name and they will accept him, as Jesus foretold. He will blashpheme God and slander those who dwell in heaven as Rev 13 says.

    It sounds like the false prophet makes people worship the anti-christ after he is wounded. I suppose that could be considered a cult of sorts.
     
  3. Bible2

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    The Antichrist could be a member of the secretive
    Druze religion, the adherents of which are Arab and
    live in Lebanon, Syria, and northern Israel. They are
    waiting for the second coming of a God-incarnate man
    named al-Hakim, who disappeared in 1021 A.D.

    The Antichrist could be from Tyre, Lebanon (Ezekiel
    28:2; cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4) and his last name could
    be al-Hakim. His full name could be something like
    (just for example) Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim,
    the gematrial number of which name is 666 (Revelation
    13:17b-18).

    The Druzes have never revealed to the world the
    secrets of their religion, not even to most Druzes,
    who are divided into two classes: those who know the
    secrets and those who don't. The Druzes don't let
    anyone ever convert to the Druze religion, nor can any
    non-Druze person ever marry a Druze person.

    Of course, one has to wonder, as with all secret
    societies, why they feel the need to keep their
    teachings a secret. It could be that they are afraid
    of how the outside world would treat them should it
    discover their teachings. For example, if a secret
    society's ultimate teaching is that the dragon Lucifer
    is the Supreme God, this cannot be let out to the
    world, for the world would then destroy the society
    as being completely evil. Nor can the secret be let
    out even to the lower members of the society until
    they have been brought along gradually, and tested,
    and found "worthy" to know the secret, that is,
    trustworthy, so that they won't run out and spill the
    beans to the world and bring ruin upon the society.

    When the Antichrist first comes on the world scene,
    he will not be all-powerful (Daniel 11:21). He will
    consolidate his power through a "small people"
    (Daniel 11:23), which could be the numerically-small
    Druze people. Until he has become powerful enough to
    not fear the world's reaction to his secret beliefs,
    he will no doubt keep them to himself. But during his
    42-month world-reign (Revelation 13:5b,7b) he will
    have no fear of the world, but will dominate it
    completely, and so will be able to finally bring his
    secret beliefs out into the open and impose them upon
    the whole world by force: he will bring the whole
    world into the worship of Lucifer the dragon, and
    himself (Revelation 13:4-7).
     
  4. Big Mouth Nana

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    NO. He will have a governmental background, be charismatic, a BIG following, and take the world by surprise as the least likely to fit the mold of the Antichrist. All of these cults, sects, and societies if evil, are just that...evil, and will have their part in hell as all the lost will.
     
  5. Grumpy Hillbilly

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    Yes. Anybody who is anybody in the government or in corporations belongs to the Bohemian Grove which is nothing but Moloch worship. Even main stream media admits that this place is real now. I believe that the devil is working through the ruling elite right now in today's time. I don't believe it's the end yet but I believe it's getting close.
     
  6. Big Mouth Nana

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    Conspiracy theorists...start your engines!!!!!!!
     
  7. Grumpy Hillbilly

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    Rofl!! :wave: That's me!
     
  8. Bible2

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    The higher members of many different secret societies
    could all hold to basically the same beliefs in
    Gnosticism and Luciferianism, which will be the core
    teachings of the Antichrist (e.g. 1 John 4:3,
    Revelation 13:4). So the Antichrist himself doesn't
    have to be the member of any one particular secret
    society; he could just be the member of one of them
    which he was basically born into, or initiated into
    as a child or a young man.

    While various secret societies could bottle their
    Gnosticism and Luciferianism differently for their
    members, they could all have the same ultimate goal:
    that the whole world be brought into (what they could
    call) "the illuminating Gnosis found only in Lucifer",
    and they could all be looking forward to the day when
    the Antichrist (or some God-Man, under whatever
    name) will cause this Luciferian Gnosis to encompass
    the entire world. (This brings to mind the common
    symbols of one of the secret societies, where a "G"
    found within an "L" has in effect an over-arching
    "A" over it, which is sometimes pictured as resting
    on top of a globe of the earth.)

    So when the Antichrist begins to come into some power,
    not only his own secret society, but all other like-
    minded ones could support him and become valuable
    allies in his rise to global dominion.
     
  9. gwynedd1

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    I really fail to understand the conceptualizing people have of the Antichrist.
    Firstly, to get this out of the way, I do not look for an Antichrist who I believe is long gone having perished in the 1st century AD. The logical route I take to this rather personal removal of the man of sin is in Revelation where Christ warns individual churches of judgment and not necessarily the world in much the same way. The 2nd Thessalonians reference does not require Jesus stepping on the Mount of Olives to remove him any more than Christ taking away a lamp stand of a church.
    Now again who would sit in a temple and even be remotely expected to do so? That would be a Jewish religious leader. Anyone else would be so obvious what difference would it make what secret society they were from?


    Of course I always find the temple a huge problem since it is speculated that those hostile to Christ will build a temple for him. How would either Jews or the minions of the AC follow scripture? However again this exposes the myth that futurism is literal. Futurism is selectively literal. Jesus is expected to come visibly ,for example, to remove the Antichrist and takes for itself the title that it is literal. What bunk.


    Zechariah 6
    If the temple will be built here by what is clearly the Messiah , the root of Jesse how is it this temple will be erected without the Messiah unless it is by means of spirit? So either Christ removes the Antichrist by spirit else he builds his temple by spirit or both. However it is absolutely impossible to have a literal interpretation on both counts.

    Zechariah is all very consistent about where this temple really is. Since I see no means to create another temple without the Messiah then I see no possibility for any member of a secrete society to be the AC since it is not possible by any man to create a seat for him.


    Here is the real temple.
    Hebrews 8
    So I ask how does one choose which is literal? One cannot create a literal context to remove the AC without a literal temple. This require a literal building of the temple. It cannot be both.

    I simply listen carefully to "My Kingdom is not of this world". Thus Jesus removed any seat in the temple on Earth be removing the temple and the what was essentially the false anointed one.
     
  10. Utah Knight

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    there are a number of secret societies most of the goverment officials of the world have come from them. So yes they very well be involved in the endtimes but on the same token the anti-christ may not come out of one of these.
     
  11. wayseer

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    I find this infatuation with the antichrist rather overblown and sensationalised - probably to engender fear into those who are spiritually immature.

    I also happen to think any belief in the advent of the antichrist is itself, antiChrist - it bucks the essential teachings of Jesus. Jesus clearly indicates the Kingdom of God is within you - the temple we are to build is ourselves.
     
  12. Bible2

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    The ultra-Orthodox Jews will rebuild the temple in
    Jerusalem not for Jesus, for they don't believe in
    Jesus. They could build it under the inspiration of
    an ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah", to restart the
    daily Mosaic animal sacrifices as part of a general
    re-institution of the entire Mosaic law as the only
    law within a "New Israel" city-state within the
    walled Old City of Jerusalem.

    Luciferian secret societies could help the Jews to
    rebuild the temple not for Jesus, for they don't
    believe in Jesus. They could help build it under the
    inspiration of their Luciferian and Antichristian
    doctrine so that the Antichrist can subsequently
    stop the daily sacrifices and commit the abomination
    of desolation, which will involve him sitting in the
    temple and proclaiming himself God (Daniel 11:31,36,
    2 Thessalonians 2:4, Matthew 24:15). He could do the
    same thing in the holiest sites of other religions of
    the world as well, such as, for example, in the Kaaba
    in Mecca, and in the Golden Temple in Amritsar.

    But because the Antichrist will be Luciferian,
    bringing the whole world into the worship of Lucifer
    (Revelation 13:4) and railing against YHWH (Revelation
    13:6), he would want to especially focus on utterly
    defiling Jerusalem and the temple of YHWH so that he
    can poke his finger in the real God's eye so to speak,
    and show to the world YHWH's purported "powerlessness
    to defend the place that he himself said he has
    chosen" (cf. Zechariah 3:2). The Antichrist could
    claim that his ability to commit the abomination of
    desolation with impunity "proves that YHWH cannot
    thwart the will of our Lord Lucifer, who empowers me"
    (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 13:4).

    Zechariah 6:12-13 would refer to Jesus at his second
    coming rebuilding a new, literal, sanctified temple-
    building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21, Daniel 8:14)
    after he has destroyed the Antichrist (Revelation 19:20,
    2 Thessalonians 2:8).

    Hebrews 8:2 refers to the literal temple-building in
    heaven (Revelation 11:19).

    The "now" in John 18:36 meant that Jesus would not
    establish his kingdom physically on the earth at his
    first coming, but would first establish his kingdom
    spiritually within people (Luke 17:21b, Romans 14:17).
    At his second coming he will sit on David's earthly
    throne and rule the entire earth for 1000 years with
    the church (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7, Psalms 72:8,
    Revelation 5:10, 2:26-29, 20:4-6, Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21,
    Zechariah 14:8-21, Micah 4:1-4, Matthew 19:28, Luke
    22:30).
     
  13. theMormon

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    So people who believe in the Bible's declaration of the anti-christ are fear-mongering and spiritually immature? Such views of "essential teachings of Jesus" appear to be missing an element or two.
     
  14. Bible2

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    Jesus told us in the church (Revelation 1:1, 22:16)
    about the coming Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18) not
    to make us afraid, but so that we might prepare
    ourselves to go through the reign of the Antichrist
    with patience and faith (Revelation 13:10, 14:12-13),
    knowing that even if the Antichrist cuts off our
    heads, we will still be resurrected at Jesus' second
    coming to reign with him on the earth for 1000 years
    (Revelation 20:4-6, cf. 5:10, 2:26-29).

    The Antichrist will be allowed to rule the world for
    only 42 months (Revelation 13:5), after which God's
    wrath will be poured out on him and his followers
    (Revelation 16) for 75 days, until Jesus returns
    (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15) to destroy the
    Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20).

    Regarding the kingdom of God, it is within us now
    spiritually (Luke 17:21, Romans 14:17), and it will
    also be on the earth physically during the millennium,
    when Jesus will sit upon the earthly throne of David
    and rule the whole world (Luke 1:32, Isaiah 9:7, Psalms
    72:8) from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8-21, Micah 4:1-4).
    And the church will rule with him (Matthew 19:28, Luke
    22:30, Revelation 5:10, 2:26-29, 20:4-6).

    Regarding the temple, our bodies are temples
    (1 Corinthians 6:19, John 2:21), and the church as a
    whole is a temple (Ephesians 2:20-22). But just as
    this can be true while there is also a literal
    temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and
    just as it was true while there was also a literal
    temple building in Jerusalem in the first century
    (Luke 24:53, Acts 3:1, 22:17), so it will be true
    while there will also be a literal temple building in
    Jerusalem in the millennium (Zechariah 14:20-21),
    which temple Jesus himself will build (Zechariah 6:12)
    at his second coming.

    The literal temple building that the Antichrist will
    sit in and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4,
    cf. Daniel 11:36) won't have been built by Christians,
    but by unbelievers: ultra-Orthodox Jews who will
    build it as an old covenant temple with old covenant
    animal sacrifices performed in front of it, which
    sacrifices will be performed daily for about two or
    three years before the Antichrist attacks the temple
    and stops the sacrifices (Daniel 11:31).
     
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  16. wayseer

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    I said no such thing. Please read my post again - this time more carefully.
     
  17. Bible2

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    Believers do not have an infatuation with the
    Antichrist, for they know that he is Satanic
    (2 Thessalonians 2:9).

    The highest members of some ultimately-Satanic
    (Luciferian) secret societies could have an
    infatuation with the Antichrist, for they know that
    he will bring the whole world into the worship of
    their Lord Lucifer (Revelation 13:4).

    Believers haven't overblown and sensationalized the
    Antichrist, but have simply stated what the scriptures
    themselves state regarding him: that he will wage a
    successful war against the church (Revelation 13:7-10,
    14:12-13, 20:4, Daniel 12:7).

    Believers haven't stated this to engender fear into
    those who are spiritually immature, but to engender
    patience and faith in all believers (Revelation 13:10,
    14:12) so that they will endure the coming trial unto
    the end (Matthew 24:9-13) and not be deceived (Mark
    13:22-23), and so that they will face the coming trial
    without fear (cf. Revelation 2:10; Hebrews 2:15,
    Revelation 12:11).

    Belief in the scriptural teaching of the advent of the
    Antichrist (Daniel 11:21-45) doesn't make a believer
    an antichrist, for it doesn't make a believer deny
    that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and it doesn't
    make a believer deny that Christ is in the flesh
    (1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7).

    Belief in the scriptural teaching of the advent of the
    Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18) doesn't buck the
    essential teachings of Jesus, for Revelation 13:4-18
    is the teaching of Jesus (Revelation 1:1, 22:16).

    Belief in the scriptural teaching of the advent of the
    Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:4) doesn't contradict
    that the kingdom of God is spiritually within
    believers now (Luke 17:21, Romans 14:17), and it
    doesn't contradict that the body of each believer is a
    temple (1 Corinthians 6:19, John 2:21) and the church
    as a whole is a temple (Ephesians 2:20-22), for just
    as these things remain true while at the same time a
    literal temple building exists in heaven (Revelation
    11:19), and just as these things remained true while
    at the same time a literal temple building existed in
    Jerusalem in the first century (Luke 24:53, Acts 3:1,
    22:17), and just as these things will remain true
    while at the same time a literal temple building will
    exist in Jerusalem during the coming millennium
    (Zechariah 14:20-21), so these things will remain true
    while at the same time a literal temple building will
    exist in Jerusalem during the coming tribulation
    (Revelation 11:1-2, Daniel 11:31,36, 2 Thessalonians 2:4).
     
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