Second greatest commandment

[PrudenceAnn]

Just for clarification...

Are people saying that as the law was fulfilled by the crucifixion of Christ, we should ignore all of His teachings as all fall under the law?

This doesn't make sense to me. God Himself came to earth and before He was tortured and died selflessly for us, taught us and showed us how we should live here on earth. I for one think His teachings are sound advice and well worth following...

I'm not being antagonistic... But I have honestly never heard anyone teach that we should not follow the two greatest commandments lest we be held under the curse of the law...

This has confused me quite substantially.

 

[NannaNae]

I've been really thinking about the second greatest commandment as Jesus told us, which is 'to love your neighbor as yourself'.

I've really tried to do this more over the last three years and truthfully it has landed me in a world of heartache. It just seems like people do not know how to really love each other and once you open your heart to someone with love, your heart is open and you are susceptible to great hurt.

I know there is also a verse that says to 'guard your heart because through it flows life'.

So how do you live out this second greatest commandment? How do we guard our heart yet open it in love? What are the consequences to opening our heart and how do we deal with the hurt if our heart get's broken? What about the struggle for forgiveness, if it has really hurt you?

Is this part of what Jesus wants us to learn while we are here?

honey the secret to this is about his love !!

NOT yours....... the world can't demand it's kind of love from you. you owe no one that except God!

you are to only Agape others..

remember the conversation between him and john.. JOHN sent someone to ask Jesus if he is the one. the messiah. what is it Jesus say ?



what he said , is who he is .. this is how you find / locate him..


Mat 11:5
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Luk 7:22
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Here is the remaining match.

Mat 15:31
Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

this fulfills this prophesy

Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;




NOW WHEN MAN PROCLAIMS HIS OWN LIBERTY this is the results
Jer 34:17


Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

YOUR kind of LOVE creates this in the world.. more license and more death mongering and entitlement and just monsters .

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Mat 15:31
Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.


this is what we love people with because this only is his love.. this is how we find him and this is how they find him.. only this set them free with real wings..

his love sets the captives free from themselves / it bears their pain until they heal
his love binds the broken hearted / bears the quilt till they are free/ healed enough to bear it themselves and for others .
his love heals the sick and makes the lame walk...
his love is real , it is not fluff and stuff.. it gives real wings.. it is not license , definitely not a licenses to remain stuck in death and decay or to feel good about it .


the worldly and fleshly want to be stuck in death, they want to FEEELLL good about their decaying.. "loving" them the way they DEMAND it . isn't any kind of love. any more than giving a screaming child of 2 that thing he is throwing themselves on the flood , is throwing a fit and holding their breath for. the only thing that is happening there is you would be creating a monster if you give them what they want, how they want when they want it .

so instead just pray for them, bare them in your soul , until they want freedom from their very specialness and their own stuck in their self .

but whatever you do Don't love them with your kind of love .. love them only with his kind of love or nothing ..

now they will demand your kind of love. oH yes they will.. they will demand you love them as much as they love themselves . but you can only give those concepts you want love to be , to your husband or wife ( if s/he will let you or until he stops you ) , your children ( kind of till they can't stand it anymore ) and God..


and there then find we get to some real issues..

you see being all fluffy and stuff makes people like you! it demands people like you too.

and being God's love and really being there to help set people free .. to carry their sins and burdens till they are free.. means people won't like you any more than they liked him. even if you never say who you are praying for.. the demons in them know..
and for those few you loved with his love.. who will choose real freedom from their bondage to themselves because you were sharing the burden with Christ (father make them them one , as we are one.... that concept in action )and he is doing their freedom.. for you , because he loves you.

He don't know them . because he knows you and loves you he will do what you ask for them . he already loved them once ..
that is EVEN IF God allows them to know it was you who was loving them into freedom.... by your prayer and intercessions for them . God will do it for you.. . where you were carrying their pain , shame and their lame until they choose him , and then they are free and healed enough to carry someone else's pain shame and lame because now they chose him and he knows them and he loves them , so he will do it for them, because you loved them to freedom..


Love is the one saying pick up the CROSS and follow me.. set people free from real sin, from real bondage and real death .

but not all choose freedom ,when they do feel free from their own burden and bondages , they don't or wont' give him the glory and they don't choose to remain in it and covenant with him for it .

there is nothing else you can do than the real love you gave them, that chance to understand what salvation feels like. what a gift of real forgiveness can be to them one day. now today there isn't total forgiveness with out we make a covenant , and the event is still a promised day in the future.. when all sins if done away with. so we cry for our loved ones ! now while we still have the chance too .
pick up your cross ! become one with jesus .. love them as he loves , with the Love only he has and bear the burdens.. that is love .. Fluff and stuff is not love..

Jer 34:17


Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
this is license and this is the results of a license to sin this is creating entitled and demanding little monsters.

SO DON"T FEED THE MONSTERS!!! .. sh.. don't tell them.. but instead love them with his love, and if you can't do that yet.. then nothing at all...





there will always be lots of demanding entitled monsters who demand their ways.

 

[NannaNae]

(sorry duplicate)

 

[Alithis]

Lol I just cannot believe some here already have tried to swing a very good OP topic,into a law debate..
..ok on 're reading the op it is a good question.how should we apply love thy neighbor.
So without using the words,grace,law or works..please lovingly continue.

I think the principle in the words do unto others ...is the biggest key

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Lol I just cannot believe some here already have tried to swing a very good OP topic,into a law debate..
..ok on 're reading the op it is a good question.how should we apply love thy neighbor.
So without using the words,grace,law or works..please lovingly continue.

I think the principle in the words do unto others ...is the biggest key

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I wouldn't press the green above too much. The OP talks about opening up her heart, and getting hurt, that is exactly what hurt Paul said, as he wrote his tearful letter. He was open hearted, but suffered for it.


2 Cor 2:4 For I wrote to you out of much affliction and anguish of heart and with many tears, not to cause you pain but to let you know the abundant love that I have for you.


6:11 We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians; our heart is wide open.

I think this sums up best my own situation and why I am struggling. I probably do tend to take things to heart, rougher on the outside or so it seems but very loving on the inside.

I am not sure if I am reading the words of Jesus too literally, so that's what I hope through this discussion to get some clarification on.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Hi Faulty,
Totally agree with your break down of scripture. We speaking as the body of Christ were never placed under the law. Paul in Romans 13:8-10 explains how love is to function, amongst brethren, and people not in the church. He does use though, love thy neighbor as thyself. Then adding, love worketh no I'll to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Going back to something I posted earlier, God's love has already been shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit.

Grace to you.

So, is what you are saying is that 'love' is the opposite of the rest of the commandments and being if you show someone love that that will prevent trespasses?

Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:therefore love is the fulfilling of the law"

That would make the second greatest commandment more like the Golden Rule and good will towards others and not bringing harm?

 

[turned around]

Hi,
Love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill(harm) to its neighbor. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't do them harm. Paul in Romans 13, lists four commandments that have to do with other party's. Adultery tears apart homes, stealing taking others valuable possessions, coveteouness strongly desiring others possessions, lastly murder, taking another's life with all the ramifications. Love or agape will not do that. Romans 5:5, we have this agape deposited in us.

Grace to you.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Hi,
Love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill(harm) to its neighbor. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you won't do them harm. Paul in Romans 13, lists four commandments that have to do with other party's. Adultery tears apart homes, stealing taking others valuable possessions, coveteouness strongly desiring others possessions, lastly murder, taking another's life with all the ramifications. Love or agape will not do that. Romans 5:5, we have this agape deposited in us.

Grace to you.

I like that answer.

So we do not have to love each other with love as we see it, but with an Agape kind of love which is to be kind and do no harm.

 

[Faulty]

I don't see it as part of the law. We know that Jesus fulfilled the law and it was Jesus who designated these two commandments as being the most important and that they fulfilled the law.

Why do you consider this to be part of the law?

I consider it to be part of the law because that's the context in which you framed it.

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matt 22:34-40 (ESV)

Let me follow up by saying I do not for a moment think you intended it to come across that way, but the way it was stated did just that, intentional or otherwise.

 

[turned around]

Hi tobeblessed,
When Jesus was quoting the commandment, it comes from the word love in the sense of moral obligation. When Paul wrote to the Romans, and love worketh no ill. He was using the greek word agape(love feast). Run this by the Holy Spirit.

Grace to you.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

I consider it to be part of the law because that's the context in which you framed it.

But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matt 22:34-40 (ESV)

Let me follow up by saying I do not for a moment think you intended it to come across that way, but the way it was stated did just that, intentional or otherwise.

Sorry, unintentional.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And that's good, but the title of the thread, "Second greatest commandment" should bring to mind the conversation Jesus had with the Sadducees in Matthew 22 where they asked Him which is the greatest commandment of the law. So, when it is discussed as the second greatest commandment, it is being discussed as a point of the law.

yeah i understand what you mean . most people don't understand how the law became obsolete at the cross . so the topic does have the potential for confusion around that point

 

[Hishandmaiden]

I failed miserably in the fulfillment of the second commandment.
I failed to love the people in my life as myself.
I love myself often more than the other people in my life.
I really hope to be able to practice this second commandment more often in my life.