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"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." - Matthew 16:28
Well, this can be understood in light of what the Lord said in this passage:
"Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." - John 5:28
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"Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?" - Matthew 24:3
The Lord Jesus in the following words explains the various events that must occur before his return. I have seen verse 4-9...
Oh, wait, I am not allowed to speak anymore about this since I am a partial-"peterist." That's okay
(btw, partial peterist don't hold that Christ already returned).
Matthew 16:27-28 came true in this:
After six days, Jesus took with him Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into a high mountain by themselves. He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his garments became as white as the light. Behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with him.
Matt. 17:1-3
Perhaps the things Jesus refers to in Matthew 24:34 have already happened.
I think it is good to notice also, the "last day" was not known even by Jesus, only God knows it.
But no one knows of that day and hour, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matt. 24:36
As someone who leans towards a preterist interpretation, I would disagree that the resurrection is a metaphor or spiritual focus.
As a preterist, I believe in bodily resurrection: natural body sown, spiritual body raised, Just a Paul puts it.
1 Corinthians 15:44-46 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being;” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.
The partial preterist believes in a future coming of Christ. It is then, on the last day, at His coming, that the believer is resurrection/raised into their spiritual body to be present in the heavenly Kingdom of the Lord.
The full preterist believes the coming of Christ occurred in 70AD. From that point on, any believer who dies is instantly resurrected into their spiritual body to be present in the heavenly kingdom of the Lord.
Revelation 14:8-13 Then a second angel followed, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great,b who has made all the nations drink the wine of the passion of her immorality.” And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. Day and night there will be no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
The full preterist believes Ezekiel 43:7 is fulfilled.
Ezekiel 43:7 and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.
Acts 7:48-49 However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says: ‘Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool.
God now dwells with his temple, the body of Christ, forever, whether they are in heaven (the place of his throne) in the spiritually raised body or on earth (his footstool) in the yet to be sown natural body.
I read this Christian article on the second coming and am confused about the following scriptures. They appear to be depicting the second coming as happening 2000 years ago? But surely this hasn't happened. So what is the current interpretation of this. Or has there been another thread on this already?
Matthew 16:27-28
Matthew 24:3,Matthew 24:34
Matthew 26:64
claninja said: ↑As someone who leans towards a preterist interpretation, I would disagree that the resurrection is a metaphor or spiritual focus.
As a preterist, I believe in bodily resurrection: natural body sown, spiritual body raised, Just a Paul puts it.
What is a preterist? Who are the most advanced authors?
So let's do a study on Preterism...........You might want to study preterism, partial-preterism which advocates that idea. A bunch of baloney and a dangerous doctrine if you ask me
One of the most comprehensive sites on Preterism:Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero. The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system
Albion said: ↑
Incidentally, Scripture also says that the Gospel is to be preached to the whole world and then will come the end (Mt 24:14). It has been argued that it is only in our lifetimes that modern communications have made delivering the Gospel to all nations a reality, so now should be the end of the church age with a Second Coming as imminent.
Great verses parousia70If we are to believe scripture, According to the Apostle Paul, writing under the infallible inspiration of the Holy Spirit, The Gospel was preached to the whole world by the Late 60's AD:
Colossians 1:5-6 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
Colossians 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken ofthroughout the whole world.
Romans 16:25-26 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith;
So let's do a study on Preterism...........
Partial Preterism [and Amill] are allowed to be discussed on the Eschatology board
[however, full Preterism can only be discussed on the CCT board]
Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
One of the most comprehensive sites on Preterism:
http://www.preteristarchive.com/
https://www.preteristarchive.com/category/significance-of-ad70/
Did Jesus divide His Olivet Discourses between two subjects and separate their fulfillment by thousands of years? If so, how or when?
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70ad
A coming (parousia) of Christ
A day of the Lord
A judgment
The end of the Jewish Age
(Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)
Still future
The Coming (parousia) of Christ
The Day of the Lord
The Resurrection of the dead
The Rapture of the living
The (final) Judgment
The end of history
Great verses parousia70
I don't see how it can be the whole global world.
Look at the Greek word used in the Matt 24:14 of the 70ad Olivet Discourse......
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
Mat 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world<3625>, for a testimony to all nations; and then shall the end come.
1Pe 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first beginneth at us, what will be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God?
"OIKOUMENE"(#G3625) In Olivet Discourse and Revelation. Mistranslated?
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
3625. oikoumene oy-kou-men'-ay feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by implication, of 1093); land, i.e. the (terrene part of the) globe; specially, the Roman empire:--earth, world.
Strong's Number G3625 οἰκουμένη (oikoumenē), occurs 15 times in 15 verses
οἰκουμένη, οἰκουμένης, ἡ (feminine of the present passive participle from οἰκέω (namely, γῆ; cf. Winers Grammar, § 64, 5; Buttmann, § 123, 8));
1. the inhabited earth;
a. in Greek writings often the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in distinction from the lands of the barbarians, cf. Passow, ii., p. 415a; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, I.).
b. in the Greek authors who wrote about Roman affairs (like the Latinorbis terrarum) equivalent to the Roman empire: so πᾶσα ἡ οἰκουμένη contextually equivalent to all the subjects of this empire, Luke 2:1.
#3625 mentioned 15 times
oikoumenhV <3625> Luke 4:5, Romans 10:18, Reve 3:10, Reve 16:14.
oikoumenh <3625> Matt 24:14, Luke 21:26, Acts 19:27
oikoumenhn <3625> 8 times Luke 2:1, Acts 11:28, 17:6, 31, 24:5, Hebrew 1:6, 2:5, Reve 12:9.
"Parousia".........The first question "when shall these things be?" relates to what he said in verse 2.
The second question "what shall be the sign of thy coming?" relates to either the Ascension or Second Coming, I forget which.
It is that simple, friend.
LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Great verses parousia70
I don't see how it can be the whole global world.
Look at the Greek word used in the Matt 24:14 of the 70ad Olivet Discourse.....
Ya think?A word gets its meaning from its context, not how it is used elsewhere.
Jehovah's Witnesses take the meaning of the word one from John 17 and reads that meaning into John 10:30 to avoid the fact that Jesus is God Almighty.
What you presented was one of the well known word study fallacies.
Poppycock..........alv_c said: ↑
The second coming will happen in the Year 6000 YB, Year from the Beginning, because that will begin the millennial Shabbath of this heaven and earth. Read this study What Year the Second Coming Will Be, the Millennial Shabbath of the Year 6000 YB, Yovels, and the 1290+1335 Days of Daniel | Wisdom of God .
Or maybe not...........Boy will he be embarassed when it comes later. I think we'll be like star trek by then and travel the stars?
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