Second Amenment thoughts

[NotreDame]

Truth be told, I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to fall for his spin. I guess I was wrong.

Yes, you were wrong. You have not said much of anything that constitutes as right in this thread. If anyone is stupid for falling for spin, it certainly isn't me but perhaps any individual who advocates your illogical extremists positions.

 

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Yes, you were wrong. You have not said much of anything that constitutes as right in this thread. If anyone is stupid for falling for spin, it certainly isn't me but perhaps any individual who advocates your illogical extremists positions.

Well said!

No, I advocate self defence from a tyranical government. But I guess people of your breed think every government action is good, all the way up to march the Jews into the showers, huh? Since, according to you, any Jew who took up arms against the Germans was a "terrorist" on the same level as McVey.

The Jews were being systemically exterminated by Germany, is the US government exterminating people? Get real, honestly.

And in attempting to pimp out the holocaust atrocities just to make a cheap political point--you've trivialized the legitimate suffering of people around the world (and those in the past) who have really been and are presently oppressed by tyranical governments.

Good job.

Self defence is not murder, or did they not cover that in criminology?

So you also believe that Timothy McVey (and other "patriot" militants) was/are acting in self defense?

Can you sink any lower?

 

[jgarden]

The day the slave driving federal bureacracy attempts to take my weapons is the day I'm going down taking out as many feds as I can.

The Constitution of the United States of America

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Does putting weapons into the hands of private citizens who publically advocate "TAKING OUT AS MANY FEDS AS I CAN," contribute to:
- establishing justice
- insure domestic tranquility
- provide for the common defense
- secure the blessings of liberty
- forming a more perfect union

Do those with the "Lonesome Texan" mindset also consider "gun control" advocates amongst that select group they plan on - "TAKING OUT?"

 

[HollandScotts]

The Jews were being systemically exterminated by Germany, is the US government exterminating people? Get real, honestly.

No one was being exterminated in 1933. But by the time they were, it was too later.

And in attempting to pimp out the holocaust atrocities just to make a cheap political point--you've trivialized the legitimate suffering of people around the world (and those in the past) who have really been and are presently oppressed by tyranical governments.

Pimp out? I'm a Jew. We have this thing called "never forget". Now while you may think that people being exterminated by their government isn't a real atrocity, as you've just said, but most people consider genocide to be just that.

So you also believe that Timothy McVey (and other "patriot" militants) was/are acting in self defense?

I never said anything of the sort.

Does putting weapons into the hands of private citizens who publically advocate "TAKING OUT AS MANY FEDS AS I CAN," contribute to:
- establishing justice
- insure domestic tranquility
- provide for the common defense
- secure the blessings of liberty
- forming a more perfect union

It does when those feds are the mordern day SS.

 

[Billnew]

Does putting weapons into the hands of private citizens who publically advocate "TAKING OUT AS MANY FEDS AS I CAN," contribute to:
- establishing justice x
- insure domestic tranquility x
- provide for the common defense x
- secure the blessings of liberty X
- forming a more perfect union X

Do those with the "Lonesome Texan" mindset also consider "gun control" advocates amongst that select group they plan on - "TAKING OUT?"[/b]

I will fight all enemys foreign and domestic.
I will fight anyone that trys to take away the freedoms guaranteed in the bill of rights.
I marked all that apply, Having a firearm in your and my hand makes sure we have all of those.

Establishing justice: If goverment doesn't keep justice
in all actions, people will step up and make it happen, even if it takes force.
Ensuring domestic tranquility: How tranquil can a person be if goverment does what it pleases. The Constitution is a piece of paper. It doesn't do anything, unless people demand it be followed
comon defense: a well rounded militia, being necessary, the right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. If I can practice with my fireamrs, I can do better if I am called up to serve.
Blessings of liberty: Unless you are willing to fight for your libertys, you will not have them.
A more perfect union: ensuring the people are to whom goverment serves, not the other way around, ensures we all have liberty.

Arming a crazy person like Mcvey, is not the same as arming the comon person. He was crazy, he didn't attempt to fix his problems peacefully before turnng to violence. Our system is flawed, but it allows us to fix the problems. Violence is a last resort, when all words
can't fix the problems, and the problem is worth people dying over.
The Branch devidians deaths were terrible, but it was not to the point of equaling the deaths of innocent people, and had not worked through the proper channels at that point.
I compare the Kent State massacre to Tienamen Square. We had firearms, and the goverment admitted they did wrong. China, the goverment doesn't even admit it happened.
If it ever comes to fighting for our rights, I would take out as many anti-rights fighters as possible. Thats war.