Seat of Moses ?

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

Actually wool and linen Garments were for the priests only to wear. Therefore the mixture is the same as the holy oil. Both were prohibited the common people.

Ezekiel 44:17-18

 

[ralliann]

Ezekiel 44:17-18

What is the point here? The high priests garments included woolen and linen garments. Are you denying this is so?
From the temple institute.................

The Ephod and Breastplate

The ephod and breastplate were made of all five materials. Thus the Bible states regarding each, "And they shall make the ephod of gold, sky-blue, dark-red and crimson dyed wool, and twisted linen" and "And you shall make the breastplate of judgment, the work of an artist; after the manner of the ephod shall you make it: of gold, sky-blue, dark-red, and crimson dyed wool, and of twisted linen shall you make it." (Ex. 28:6,15)

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

What is the point here? The high priests garments included woolen and linen garments. Are you denying this is so?
From the temple institute.................

The Ephod and Breastplate

The ephod and breastplate were made of all five materials. Thus the Bible states regarding each, "And they shall make the ephod of gold, sky-blue, dark-red and crimson dyed wool, and twisted linen" and "And you shall make the breastplate of judgment, the work of an artist; after the manner of the ephod shall you make it: of gold, sky-blue, dark-red, and crimson dyed wool, and of twisted linen shall you make it." (Ex. 28:6,15)

This is the clothing for the high priest? Like I stated, linen and wool does not need to be separated.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

Actually wool and linen Garments were for the priests only to wear. Therefore the mixture is the same as the holy oil. Both were prohibited the common people.

The high priest ......

 

[ralliann]

The high priest ......

Yes the high priests Ephod and breastplate of judgement were of the mixture. Some also debate the belts of all the priests were as well. We will see as the temple institute is making these things.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

Yes the high priests Ephod and breastplate of judgement were of the mixture. Some also debate the belts of all the priests were as well. We will see as the temple institute is making these things.

So even the priests (except the high priest) could not wear clothes made of linen and wool woven together. These "special garments" only.

 

[ralliann]

So even the priests (except the high priest) could not wear clothes made of linen and wool woven together. These "special garments" only.

I do not know for sure. Evidently scholars debate this issue. Some say the priests belts were made of the mixture, some say it was linen only. I just think woolen and linen are for holy use either way.
I just looked at Josephus. I will quote him.
"Let not anyone of you wear a garment made of woolen and linen, for it is appointed to be for the priests alone"

 

[Meowzltov]

Again, Moses never asked you to separate anything! He asked you not to wear clothes in which linen and wool are woven together. This is an entirely different law, than what you are saying. The word "seperate" is not in that text. Please humble yourself and comprehend.

It doesn't say woven, it says mingled. In other words, a garment in which both are used.

And again, if you aren't mingling, then you are separating. It's part of speaking English.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

It doesn't say woven, it says mingled. In other words, a garment in which both are used.

And again, if you aren't mingling, then you are separating. It's part of speaking English.

It is written "woven " together (Deuteronomy 22:11 NIV, NLT, GNT, GWT) ; in no reputable translation or version is it written "seperate" ; the command is to "not wear" certain clothes. Again, it is not a sin to mix wool and linen, as the high priest clothing is made by mixing together linen and wool. Just like it is not a sin for a donkey and ox to voluntarily walk together; it is a sin for an ox and donkey to be "yoked" together. If the common people make a garment made of linen and wool woven together and give it to the high priest to wear, then they have not sinned. Please stop misquoting Torah, you do not understand it.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

Every believer of Monotheism thinks he(she) inherits Moses’s Law, Jewish, Christian and Muslim. If he(she) denies Moses’s Law, he(she) loses Legal rationality of his(her) faith from the origin of history . I can understand the Pharisees’ passion to inherit Moses’s law. Some Pharisees were hypocrite, some were not. The famous scholar Gamaliel was a Pharisee, his student Saul was a Pharisee. Even after Saul became Yeshua’s apostle he still said “ I am a Pharisee.” (Act23:6) . He said himself 【Phi3:6】as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. And he also said【1Tim1:15】The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners-- of whom I am the foremost. Jewish scholars think there are always deeper meanings in Torah that nobody has ever explored. Saul thought himself righteous and blameless under the law from a lower perspective to the Torah. When by the great light which pierce his eyes he found Yeshua was just the predicted prophet like Moses. 【Deu.8:15】The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you shall heed such a prophet. Yeshua sits in the seat of Moses, and He is the fulfillment of Torah. From this higher perspective, Saul thought he was a foremost sinner.

I am not very sure my opinion is quite right. So welcome to criticize.

Yeshua is promised to be given the "throne of David"(Luke 1:32)

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

It doesn't say woven, it says mingled. In other words, a garment in which both are used.

And again, if you aren't mingling, then you are separating. It's part of speaking English.

Please do not add or take away from the scriptures , not even a jot or tittle.

 

[Meowzltov]

Please do not add or take away from the scriptures , not even a jot or tittle.

I'm not.

 

[AbbaLove]

Leviticus 19:19 (common sense)
... Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.​

From a common sense perspective WHY would any Hebrew want to wear a garment purposely weaved (mingled) with both wool with linen threads when the two materials have opposite function? White lightweight linen fabric is ideal to keeping oneself cool in a mid-summer sunny/warm desert climate. Thick woolen fabric is ideal for warmth and repelling water in a cold/snowy mid-winter terrain climate.

Both threads are capable of lasting strength with proper weaving and care. There is NO advantage to be gained by mingling (weaving) these two diverse threads (with opposing function) into the same garment.

On the other hand wearing a wool outer garment in cold wet mid-winter weather with a linen undergarment (to prevent itching) and for its moisture-wicking properties should NOT be considered "shatnez" and therefore a wise decision.

 

[ralliann]

Leviticus 19:19 (common sense)
... Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.​

From a common sense perspective WHY would any Hebrew want to wear a garment purposely weaved (mingled) with both wool with linen threads when the two materials have opposite function?

The holy garments for the priests were of the weaved (mingled) mixture.

Both threads are capable of lasting strength with proper weaving and care. There is NO advantage to be gained by mingling (weaving) these two diverse threads (with opposing function) into the same garment.

For glory and beauty
Ex 28:2 And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron’s garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.
4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.

Ex 28:40 And for Aaron’s sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty.

 

[AbbaLove]

The holy garments for the priests were of the weaved (mingled) mixture.

Is that just your opinion being that you provide no Torah statue/commandment that the Priestly Holy garments were to be a mingled weaving of a linen and woollen thread?? Perhaps, what you meant to say is that it was not forbidden to wear one garment of say linen and another garment of wool with both of superb quality, design and artisan craftsmanship according to each fibers advantageous functionality.

For glory and beauty
Ex 28:2 And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron’s garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.
4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a robe, and a broidered coat, a mitre, and a girdle: and they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.

No where in Exodus 28:2-4 does it even imply a garment with mingled weaving of both linen and wool is to be reserved for all of Aaron's garments? On the other hand depending on the purpose of the garment a linen fiber may be best suited to its particular function for example as an undergarment; whereas wool would be better suited for the function of an outer garment. The intent is that each priestly garment; whether one garment is of linen and another of wool is that each is to be of superb artisan workmanship for Glory and Beauty.

Ex 28:40 And for Aaron’s sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty.

Don't know how you conclude that this verse is implying that the mingled weaving of wool and linen into one garment is reserved just for Aaron's sons. You need to support your opinion with a specific statue/commandment found in the Torah.

And yet today even a Jewish child can be seen wearing a tzitzit that is a mingling of linen and woolen thread. Originally, a mingled tzitzit was only for Priests NOT for Korah who rebelled against Moses. Please read the following ... What's So Wrong with Mixing Wool & Linen? - Our Rabbi Jesus

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I see no problem of using different fibers in the artisan workmanship of a Priest's Breastplate to accent its beautiful design. Certain portions of the breastplate may be of wool and other portions of linen without mingled together the two threads into one composite thread in a Priestly garment. I'm not saying this wasn't a statue/command in the Torah for a Priest's Breastplate, but where in the Torah (not rabbinic oral law) is a specific verse to support your opinion?

You have yet to quote a scripture that specifically says it is OK to mingle threads of linen and wool together during the process of weaving a priestly garment.

 

[AbbaLove]

Again, it is not a sin to mix wool and linen, as the high priest clothing is made by mixing together linen and wool.

Yes, but not as a mingled composite thread "yoked" together.

Just like it is not a sin for a donkey and ox to voluntarily walk together; it is a sin for an ox and donkey to be "yoked" together.

So, then we agree that to make a composite thread of wool and linen "yoked" together makes little sense in adding Glory and Beauty to a Priestly garment?

However, was wool and linen "yoked" together to make a tzitzit worn by Aaron's sons or only a mingled innovation introduced by Rabbinic Judaism to the point that even a Jewish 12 year old boy can wear a tzitzit mingled of linen and woollen thread ??

 

[Meowzltov]

From a common sense perspective WHY would any Hebrew want to wear a garment purposely weaved (mingled) with both wool with linen threads when the two materials have opposite function?

Although you have a few translations that mistakenly use the word woven, the word mingled does not always mean woven. Having clothing that is part linen and part wool in the same garment is also mingling. The most common example of this in our modern time is wool suits, because they use linen thread for the button holes. Wearing these is unlawful. There have been countless arguments about the separation laws. In the end, the rule of thumb is that perhaps God gave those rules to remind us that we are to obey whether we understand or not.

 

[ralliann]

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Is that just your opinion being that you provide no Torah statue/commandment that the Priestly Holy garments were to be a mingled weaving of a linen and woollen thread?? Perhaps, what you meant to say is that it was not forbidden to wear one garment of say linen and another garment of wool with both of superb quality, design and artisan craftsmanship according to each fibers advantageous functionality.

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No where in Exodus 28:2-4 does it even imply a garment with mingled weaving of both linen and wool is to be reserved for all of Aaron's garments? On the other hand depending on the purpose of the garment a linen fiber may be best suited to its particular function for example as an undergarment; whereas wool would be better suited for the function of an outer garment. The intent is that each priestly garment; whether one garment is of linen and another of wool is that each is to be of superb artisan workmanship for Glory and Beauty.

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Don't know how you conclude that this verse is implying that the mingled weaving of wool and linen into one garment is reserved just for Aaron's sons. You need to support your opinion with a specific statue/commandment found in the Torah.

Yet your post went on to confirm the mixture?
Previously...
I already quoted from the temple institute:

The ephod and breastplate were made of all five materials. Thus the Bible states regarding each, "And they shall make the ephod of gold, sky-blue, dark-red and crimson dyed wool, and twisted linen" and "And you shall make the breastplate of judgment, the work of an artist; after the manner of the ephod shall you make it: of gold, sky-blue, dark-red, and crimson dyed wool, and of twisted linen shall you make it." (Ex. 28:6,15)

As well as Josephus confirms it as well.
"Let not anyone of you wear a garment made of woolen and linen, for it is appointed to be for the priests alone"

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[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

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Yes, but not as a mingled composite thread "yoked" together.

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So, then we agree that to make a composite thread of wool and linen "yoked" together makes little sense in adding Glory and Beauty to a Priestly garment?

However, was wool and linen "yoked" together to make a tzitzit worn by Aaron's sons or only a mingled innovation introduced by Rabbinic Judaism to the point that even a Jewish 12 year old boy can wear a tzitzit mingled of linen and woollen thread ??

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Yes, but not as a mingled composite thread "yoked" together.

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So, then we agree that to make a composite thread of wool and linen "yoked" together makes little sense in adding Glory and Beauty to a Priestly garment?

However, was wool and linen "yoked" together to make a tzitzit worn by Aaron's sons or only a mingled innovation introduced by Rabbinic Judaism to the point that even a Jewish 12 year old boy can wear a tzitzit mingled of linen and woollen thread ??

The ox is a clean animal, but the donkey is an unclean animal. The prophet Noah took 7 pairs of every kind of clean animal; one pair of unclean animal , both male and female. We know only "clean meat" may be placed on the L-rd' s altar for worship.

 

[Mercymessianicjudiasm]

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Yes, but not as a mingled composite thread "yoked" together.

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So, then we agree that to make a composite thread of wool and linen "yoked" together makes little sense in adding Glory and Beauty to a Priestly garment?

However, was wool and linen "yoked" together to make a tzitzit worn by Aaron's sons or only a mingled innovation introduced by Rabbinic Judaism to the point that even a Jewish 12 year old boy can wear a tzitzit mingled of linen and woollen thread ??

" For my yoke is easy and my burden light"; Yeshua words, the ox and donkey can never become co-laborers or "yoked together " in the field. Like planting two different types of seed in the vineyard, both the crops and fruit would become defiled. The garden of eden had two different kinds of trees in the middle of the garden; both the tree of life and the forbidden tree; the garden was full of fig trees. Fig trees do not always bear fruit seasonally, they can go many years without bearing any fruit. Adam and Eve used fig leaves to cover their nakedness for they were ashamed.