I didnt see any pages for this, but I would guess its the 100th time you have seen this question:
What is the SDA take on Col2:16?
What is the SDA take on Col2:16?
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SDAs-Col2:16
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=) if my teenager memory is right, its talking about not judging people, not about not following the laws. I've also heard that those sabbaths he speaks about are cerimonial ones.
Hope that helps!
Hope that helps!
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Here is what I see in that passage:
13 And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in him. 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath.
Ok so it seems that there are parts of the OT that are not binding on people anymore. So why do the SDAs say that people who dont go to church on saturday are going to hell and stuff?
13 And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in him. 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath.
Ok so it seems that there are parts of the OT that are not binding on people anymore. So why do the SDAs say that people who dont go to church on saturday are going to hell and stuff?
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EdmundBlackadderTheThird
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SDAs are not fundamentalists, so this is likely the wrong place to ask the question. I would ask the mods to move this thread to General Theology were I you.
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Sketcher
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Well, there's "fundamental" SDAs and evangelical SDAs. The "fundamental" SDAs, who hold Ellen White's writings up to Scripture level and are very strict about what makes SDAs unique probably will tell you you're going to hell if you're not practicing the Sabbath as they do. Evangelical SDAs to my knowledge are actual Christians and I would think are more tolerant.
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EdmundBlackadderTheThird
Proud member of the Loud Few
The SDA denom would not qualify as fundamentalist as you have to agree they are the remnant church and that EGW's prophecy is a sign of that to be a member. This is the official denominational stance and would disqualify them from being "fundamentalist" as far as this forum is concerned.
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e=mv^2
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The SDA do not have a forum of thier own as of yet. I would encourage you to post your support of them having thier own forum in this thread.
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Catholic Dude said:
16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
This is why it is not the 7th day Sabbath. The sabbath days here are a shadow of things to come. The 7th day Sabbath was not a shadow of things to come but a memorial of Creation.
The 7th day Sabbath did not haave its fullfillment in the cross. If it did then why did Jesus tell the Jews to pray that your flight would not be on the Sabbath?
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deu58
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Hello Cliff
Hello cliff
Mt 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
The Greek word used for Sabbath in Matt 12 where the Pharisee's accused Jesus of violating the weekly Sabbath is the exact same word Paul used in Col 2:16 to refer to the Sabbath as a shadow.
Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
It is also the exact same word that Jesus used to claim he is the Lord of the Sabbath, The word used most definitely means the Seventh day Sabbath itself,
savbbaton Sabbaton (sab'-bat-on);
Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Neuter, Strong #: 4521
the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
a single sabbath, sabbath day
seven days, a week
KJV Word Usage and Count
sabbath day 37
sabbath 22
week 9
yours in Christ
deu 58
Cliff2 said:
Hello cliff
Mt 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
The Greek word used for Sabbath in Matt 12 where the Pharisee's accused Jesus of violating the weekly Sabbath is the exact same word Paul used in Col 2:16 to refer to the Sabbath as a shadow.
Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
It is also the exact same word that Jesus used to claim he is the Lord of the Sabbath, The word used most definitely means the Seventh day Sabbath itself,
savbbaton Sabbaton (sab'-bat-on);
Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Neuter, Strong #: 4521
the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
a single sabbath, sabbath day
seven days, a week
KJV Word Usage and Count
sabbath day 37
sabbath 22
week 9
yours in Christ
deu 58
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amiel said:
But the SDA church I grew up in was very clear that those who don't keep the sabbath will be lost in the end.
What exactly is the difference?
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deu58
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Hi Searching SDA
That is always the problem when you have two conflicting authorities in one church, Many modern SDA churchs have tried to move away from the Spirit of Prophecy and just use the bible alone,
In the SDA church's where EGW is not the authority many members do not know the full Three Angels message,
But the more Ellen White influences a congregation the more abberant the doctrines of that church become, There are still congrgations that are full blown Cults because they hold to the authority of EGW completley,
Incomplete atonement, Jesus is the arch angel Micheal Vegetarianism necessary to be translated into the kingdom, Salvation by works, etc,
And then there others that you would not be able to tell the difference between them or any other Protestant church,
yours in Christ
deu 58
SearchingSDA said:
That is always the problem when you have two conflicting authorities in one church, Many modern SDA churchs have tried to move away from the Spirit of Prophecy and just use the bible alone,
In the SDA church's where EGW is not the authority many members do not know the full Three Angels message,
But the more Ellen White influences a congregation the more abberant the doctrines of that church become, There are still congrgations that are full blown Cults because they hold to the authority of EGW completley,
Incomplete atonement, Jesus is the arch angel Micheal Vegetarianism necessary to be translated into the kingdom, Salvation by works, etc,
And then there others that you would not be able to tell the difference between them or any other Protestant church,
yours in Christ
deu 58
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deu58 said:
You have touched on a very important understanding of the sacrificial system that God gave to the Children of Israel.
When a sinner brought the animal to the temple to be sacrificed, was the atonement completed when the animal was slain?
What was the process that took place at this time?
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EdmundBlackadderTheThird
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And Cliff what does scripture say about Christ's sacrifice? Clear scripture brother no commentary trying to make it fit SDA doctrine.Cliff2 said:
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deu58
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Hi all
This is the Sad part of SDA theology, Jesus bows to the Sabbath he created, His blood sacrifice comparable to the blood of bulls and goats,
They are always subjecting Christ to something else rather than exalting him above all things,
I can not see how God can be pleased with the results of SDA theology in regards to his son always being lessor and incomplete compared to things created,
yours in Christ
deu 58
flesh99 said:
This is the Sad part of SDA theology, Jesus bows to the Sabbath he created, His blood sacrifice comparable to the blood of bulls and goats,
They are always subjecting Christ to something else rather than exalting him above all things,
I can not see how God can be pleased with the results of SDA theology in regards to his son always being lessor and incomplete compared to things created,
yours in Christ
deu 58
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