SDA students face Problems at University

[Contented]

I was having a conversation at work this week with one of the church members. He told me of the problems a few of the SDA students are facing at our local university.

The students are medical students, the problem is that their examination will be held on a Saturday.

There are requesting the University to change the day since they cannot BREAK the Sabbath. They have exhausted every appeal and the University is not backing down. I hope everything works for them. The one thing that bothers me is that after SDA's become doctors many do not attend church, their EXCUSE is that they have to work.

If you cannot sit an exam on Saturday you should work on Saturday. They use the argument that doctors are DOING GOOD. (they are presumably quoting Jesus after he told the Pharisees that if an animal fell into a ditch they could remove him. Any SDA who is Pharmacist, air traffic controller can use that argument too, since every one can claim they are doing good. I do not buy their argument, I am not saying that they should not work on Saturdays, BUT the same way they are opposed to sitting an exam they should try to get their work hours change in some way when they become doctors. I have a friend whose daughter is a doctor but she has barely attended church since she became a doctor.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO A FRIEND OF MINE

A friend of mine visited the USA a few years ago and when she got to New York she was tired after the flight. When she got to her aunt's apartment she felt tired. She freshened up and decided to watch some TV. The aunt was annoyed and said, Tonight is MY SABBATH please turn it off. But my friend said to me, imagine I cannot watch tv on the Sabbath, but she is lying in bed on the Sabbath with another woman's husband. THE HYPOCRISY IS SO GLARING.

I believe many are inconsistent when it comes to Sabbath keeping.

Jesus did things on the Sabbath, If I had a medical exam to sit I would go. I know many will say a SDA doing that. I am a CHRISTIAN first. At Antioch they were called Christians in the book of Acts..

 

[Kira Light]

Being a doctor as an SDA is exploiting a major loophole in the 4th commandment. Is working as a doctor good but getting a degree bad? They should definitely be forced to take their exam on Saturday or take an F.

 

[Pythons]

Simple, they don't have to be Doctors....
...Doctors treat the sick and injured on Saturday.
...& Jesus said something about a man being of more value than a sheep which is helped on the Sabbath.

Therefore if an individual who wants to be a Doctor is unwilling to submit to a test of their medical competency.....
....Because the test is on Saturday - they have no business being in the medical profession.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Yashua did good without pay, the doctor gets paid. That is why I said that is all we preach about is the Sabbath and yet we do not keep it ourselves. If we only understood these Scriptures:​

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made. Gen 2:1-3​

YAHWEH created the heavens and then the earth and everything was finished. Every time Elohim created They cease (not rested wrong word), from Their work to celebrate the Father's design which also included the new created beings they celebrated too. All of the created beings or sons of Elohim along with the angels celebrated the creation of this earth as well.​

Then YAHWEH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy? Job 38:1-7 ​

This is the statement given by YAHWEH to Job who was there!​

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of YAHWEH, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in t YAHWEH; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of YAHWEH hath spoken it. Isa 58:13, 14 ​

SDA do not observe the Sabbath, they speak secular things at 11:00 worship and throughout the day, they take up the tithe, they eat out, they get their mail, over eat then sleep and more. News flash the Sabbath is the weekly Feast of YAHWEH (Read the answer and questions by the Catholic on the Sabbath, they even call it a Feast day). They don't keep this one and do not keep the other trying to state that Paul said not to keep them. Paul was telling the new believers that the old Jews should not judge them when they kept these Feasts. What the Jews wanted the new believers to do was to keep the Mosaic laws that were written in a book and not the Commandments of Elohim. Yet they keep Valentine, Easter, Halloween, Christmas, and New Years. Five of the Catholic and Satan's six annual feast days just like YAHWEH'S!​

And YAHWEH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest (the correct word is celebration), a holy convocation; ye shall do no occupational work therein: it is the Sabbath of YAHWEH in all your dwellings. These are the Feasts of YAHWEH, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:1-4​

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law (statues), and commandments (precepts) which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12​

But in vain, they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mat 15:9 ​

Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of Elohim of Jacob. Psa 81:3, 4 ​

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YAHWEH, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH. Isa 66:22, 23 ​

That why we don't keep the other three commands of Elohim pertaining to the obedience of Yahweh which also include the Three Elohim correct names!​

Happy Sabbath and blessings on The Feast of Unleavened Bread as well, I am taking Yashua's supper tonight and not the Passover supper!​

stinsonmarri

 

[David Conklin]

>But my friend said to me, imagine I cannot watch tv on the Sabbath, but she is lying in bed on the Sabbath with another woman's husband.

That's called gossip.

 

[Stryder06]

Being a doctor as an SDA is exploiting a major loophole in the 4th commandment. Is working as a doctor good but getting a degree bad? They should definitely be forced to take their exam on Saturday or take an F.

Simple, they don't have to be Doctors....
...Doctors treat the sick and injured on Saturday.
...& Jesus said something about a man being of more value than a sheep which is helped on the Sabbath.

Therefore if an individual who wants to be a Doctor is unwilling to submit to a test of their medical competency.....
....Because the test is on Saturday - they have no business being in the medical profession.

The problem with your logic, in both cases, is that a TEST does NOT HAVE to be on a Saturday. The final exam could be on a Thursday, Monday, etc. Being a doctor, is not about exploiting a "loop hole" in the forth commandment. People need medical attention for a variety of reasons, and those situation's, in some cases, can't wait till after sundown Saturday.

While some people do not keep the sabbath properly, for those who are trying, it is sad to see such statements as these.

 

[reddogs]

Simple, they don't have to be Doctors....
...Doctors treat the sick and injured on Saturday.
...& Jesus said something about a man being of more value than a sheep which is helped on the Sabbath.

Therefore if an individual who wants to be a Doctor is unwilling to submit to a test of their medical competency.....
....Because the test is on Saturday - they have no business being in the medical profession.

Yes Pythons, but if we follow that logic then how can we love and help our fellow man.... since that is what Gods Commandments are all about, love God and our fellowman....

 

[reddogs]

The problem with your logic, in both cases, is that a TEST does NOT HAVE to be on a Saturday. The final exam could be on a Thursday, Monday, etc. Being a doctor, is not about exploiting a "loop hole" in the forth commandment. People need medical attention for a variety of reasons, and those situation's, in some cases, can't wait till after sundown Saturday.

While some people do not keep the sabbath properly, for those who are trying, it is sad to see such statements as these.

True, and I have friends who have had it moved from Sunday when they asked due to their beliefs, so I see a double standard coming into play...:o

 

[OntheDL]

I was having a conversation at work this week with one of the church members. He told me of the problems a few of the SDA students are facing at our local university.

The students are medical students, the problem is that their examination will be held on a Saturday.

There are requesting the University to change the day since they cannot BREAK the Sabbath. They have exhausted every appeal and the University is not backing down. I hope everything works for them. The one thing that bothers me is that after SDA's become doctors many do not attend church, their EXCUSE is that they have to work.

If you cannot sit an exam on Saturday you should work on Saturday. They use the argument that doctors are DOING GOOD. (they are presumably quoting Jesus after he told the Pharisees that if an animal fell into a ditch they could remove him. Any SDA who is Pharmacist, air traffic controller can use that argument too, since every one can claim they are doing good. I do not buy their argument, I am not saying that they should not work on Saturdays, BUT the same way they are opposed to sitting an exam they should try to get their work hours change in some way when they become doctors. I have a friend whose daughter is a doctor but she has barely attended church since she became a doctor.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO A FRIEND OF MINE

A friend of mine visited the USA a few years ago and when she got to New York she was tired after the flight. When she got to her aunt's apartment she felt tired. She freshened up and decided to watch some TV. The aunt was annoyed and said, Tonight is MY SABBATH please turn it off. But my friend said to me, imagine I cannot watch tv on the Sabbath, but she is lying in bed on the Sabbath with another woman's husband. THE HYPOCRISY IS SO GLARING.

I believe many are inconsistent when it comes to Sabbath keeping.

Jesus did things on the Sabbath, If I had a medical exam to sit I would go. I know many will say a SDA doing that. I am a CHRISTIAN first. At Antioch they were called Christians in the book of Acts..

Only the priests who served in the temple were excused from profaning the sabbath.

The sabbath is a time set apart for the (intelligent) creation to commune with the creator. Are doctors, nurses, policemen, firefighters exceptions to His law? It might be in the bible somewhere, but I still haven't found it yet.

Jesus said it's good to do good. Yes, during an emergency. But not for those who plan to routinely discard His law.

My questions to you is this: Most SDAs observe the Sabbath, but can unholy men keep the sabbath holy?

 

[Stryder06]

True, and I have friends who have had it moved from Sunday when they asked due to their beliefs, so I see a double standard coming into play...:o

That's typically how it goes...

 

[Pythons]

Yes Pythons, but if we follow that logic then how can we love and help our fellow man.... since that is what Gods Commandments are all about, love God and our fellowman....

If the people "in charge" of that certification only test on that day ( for whatever reason )....
...Then those individuals should simply go somewhere else.
...If not...... It's as I said - they shouldn't be in the medical business.

 

[Stryder06]

If the people "in charge" of that certification only test on that day ( for whatever reason )....
...Then those individuals should simply go somewhere else.
...If not...... It's as I said - they shouldn't be in the medical business.

Exactly what harm would come from testing the Students on another day besides the Sabbath?

 

[Pythons]

Exactly what harm would come from testing the Students on another day besides the Sabbath?

From my way of thinking there would be nothing wrong with testing on another day of the week....
...You and I are not in charge of when the test takes place & one things for sure.
....If someone can't prove how much they paid attention in med school because the test was on Sat.
....They have no business cutting on people.

Besides, don't the SDA's have their own medical schools?

 

[cesty]

If the people "in charge" of that certification only test on that day ( for whatever reason )....
...Then those individuals should simply go somewhere else.
...If not...... It's as I said - they shouldn't be in the medical business.

The real question that needs to be addressed here is why Saturday, but not Sunday? It seems they always do these kinds of things on Saturdays, while resting from work on Sundays. Why do you suppose that is?

And why can't those who are in charge of testing for such things make provisions for people who are Sabbath keepers, so that they may take their exams on another day?

This take it or leave it attitude is wrong. What ever happened to compassion?

 

[BobRyan]

I believe many are inconsistent when it comes to Sabbath keeping.

Jesus did things on the Sabbath, If I had a medical exam to sit I would go. I know many will say a SDA doing that. I am a CHRISTIAN first. At Antioch they were called Christians in the book of Acts..

Seeking out an obvious hypocrite to find a way to excuse or justify any action you wish is pretty easy in this life.

In 1Cor 7:19 Paul says to Christians "what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God".

in Rom 3:31 Paul says "do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we Establish the Law of God".

In Rev 14 we are told that the "saints are those who keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".

Healing the sick on Sabbath -- helps others. Getting ahead in your career on Sabbath - helps you and is self-serving by every measure.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Stryder06]

From my way of thinking there would be nothing wrong with testing on another day of the week....
...You and I are not in charge of when the test takes place & one things for sure.
....If someone can't prove how much they paid attention in med school because the test was on Sat.
....They have no business cutting on people.

Why do you think that someone who is unable to take a test on Sabbath is disqualified to be a Doctor? That same test could be administered on a different day. Why the sabbath? Why are individuals so adamant about administering the test on that day, and so determined to NOT administer the test on a Sunday?

Besides, don't the SDA's have their own medical schools?

Irrelevant. Not everyone goes to the Adventist institutions.

 

[Pythons]

The real question that needs to be addressed here is why Saturday, but not Sunday? It seems they always do these kinds of things on Saturdays, while resting from work on Sundays. Why do you suppose that is?

And why can't those who are in charge of testing for such things make provisions for people who are Sabbath keepers, so that they may take their exams on another day?

This take it or leave it attitude is wrong. What ever happened to compassion?

Schools usually cater to the majority that way it's better for the majority of people...
...I'm not sure what percent of Christians go to Church on Saturday morning.
...But I'm willing to bet it's a fraction of 1%.

That would be my guess.

 

[Pythons]

Why do you think that someone who is unable to take a test on Sabbath is disqualified to be a Doctor? That same test could be administered on a different day. Why the sabbath? Why are individuals so adamant about administering the test on that day, and so determined to NOT administer the test on a Sunday?



Irrelevant. Not everyone goes to the Adventist institutions.

If they feel that strongly about it they should have went to one...
...This almost sounds like something a "professional victim" would do.
...Participate in a school who's history has been testing on Saturday.
...Then when the big test comes up they start squacking.

 

[Stryder06]

Schools usually cater to the majority that way it's better for the majority of people...
...I'm not sure what percent of Christians go to Church on Saturday morning.
...But I'm willing to bet it's a fraction of 1%.

That would be my guess.

Funny how for the "good" of the majority, the few are persecuted.

 

[cesty]

Schools usually cater to the majority that way it's better for the majority of people...
...I'm not sure what percent of Christians go to Church on Saturday morning.
...But I'm willing to bet it's a fraction of 1%.

That would be my guess.

So the 1% aren't worth the compassion that could be given, in your opinion?