SDA Question

[FreeinChrist]

<Looks around> Talking to me? I believe firmly in Heb. 1:1-2. I only speak and leave it to others to test it as required by the Lord. Test EVERY spirit.

Yes, I was responding directly to your question about calling you liar if you were wrong later on.
If you are claiming to be a prophet - or speaking in the spirit of prophecy and are later wrong, that is serious. If you were giving opinion and later found to be wrong, that is error.
So it matters - as it matters in terms of EGW.

 

[statrei]

Yes, I was responding directly to your question about calling you liar if you were wrong later on.
If you are claiming to be a prophet - or speaking in the spirit of prophecy and are later wrong, that is serious. If you were giving opinion and later found to be wrong, that is error.
So it matters - as it matters in terms of EGW.

Then you need to update your idea of the Christian life. The meaning of Christianity is that our will are linked to the will of the Master in such a way that our expression in everything is His expression. It matters not what we call it. If we claim to be Christian we are claiming to speak in His name. You seem to think that only some people do so. You have been poorly taught. Discard those teachers and read the Bible for yourself.

 

[statrei]

You are avoiding the EGW issue. I have posted her words on her own writing. We can judge her writing by scripture and show it is full of fallacy and falsehood. By her own standards, from her own words, how then should we judge her writing?

The same way you judge all writings. You accept what is good and discard what is bad. What is so difficult about that? In the end, it is your choice that matters, not EGW.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Then you need to update your idea of the Christian life. The meaning of Christianity is that our will are linked to the will of the Master in such a way that our expression in everything is His expression. It matters not what we call it. If we claim to be Christian we are claiming to speak in His name. You seem to think that only some people do so. You have been poorly taught. Discard those teachers and read the Bible for yourself.

I just love posters who assume others just say what they have been taught by others and haven't searched scripture for themselves. (I am being a bit sarcastic here!!)


If we are speaking about what is in scripture, taught in scripture, we have the authority of scripture which is inspired by God to back us up.
White was writing about stuff that is not in scripture and calaiming the spirit of prophesy! As a result, the SDA have made this statement:

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

As Christians, we shouldn't go around proclaiming whatever we wish OR beleiving whatever someone says JUST because they claim to be Christians. That doesn't them give the authority to make stuff up!! Once you leave scripture, you are out on the proverbial limb. Just claiming the name of Jesus will not help:

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.}

Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

 

[statrei]

If we are speaking about what is in scripture, taught in scripture, we have the authority of scripture which is inspired by God to back us up.
White was writing about stuff that is not in scripture and calaiming the spirit of prophesy!

In case you missed it, everytime one of the OT prophets spoke they were saying new stuff; "something that was not in scripture," to use your terminology. Based on that fact, I don't know what your beef is. You talk about Scripture yet you have no idea what is or is not included in scripture. For the NT Christian scripture was the OT yet modern Christians have included the NT in scripture. What is the basis for that action? None. How far can it be extended? Do you know? I don't think so. Why not settle for the advice given in the NT? "Test every spirit." That should serve you well instead of looking for targets.

 

[FreeinChrist]

In case you missed it, everytime one of the OT prophets spoke they were saying new stuff; "something that was not in scripture," to use your terminology. Based on that fact, I don't know what your beef is. You talk about Scripture yet you have no idea what is or is not included in scripture. For the NT Christian scripture was the OT yet modern Christians have included the NT in scripture. What is the basis for that action? None. How far can it be extended? Do you know? I don't think so. Why not settle for the advice given in the NT? "Test every spirit." That should serve you well instead of looking for targets.

Wow what circles you are going!

The OT prophets had AUTHORITY statrei. As prophets, the Holy spirit was speaking through them. And there was a test given about them too :

Deu 18:20 'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'
Deu 18:21 "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'
Deu 18:22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.


It is you who does not understand scripture well, or what prophecy is as opposed to a simple commentary.

EGW claimed the spirit of prophecy....she has been shown to be a false prophet. There is plenty of things in this thread showing her falseness. Try reading the whole thread.

 

[deu58]

Hi Freein Christ

The following statements are copied from a letter from Dr. John H. Kellogg to E. S. Ballenger dated Jan. 9, 1936.


The fact is many people were injured by the practice of what they called health reform in those days which was not soundly based. The principal fault was in discarding butter which eliminated vitamin A and lowered the vital resistance and I think led to tuberculosis in many cases. Many people were doubtless suffer from the lack of fat especially fat containing vitamin A as does butter fat and also tallow and suet.

The health reform that was taught in those days was badly mixed with error and it probably did more harm than good and it is a shame to lay the responsibility on the Almighty.


Dr John Kellog was eventually thrown out of the SDA church because of Conflicts between him and Sister White, He is the inventor of Kellogs corn flakes,

Here are a couple of links to see who John Kellog was

http://www.ellenwhite.org/kellogg.htm

http://www.ellenwhite.org/kelloggfile.htm

Yours in Christ

Deu 58

 

[deu58]

Hello stateri

Your claim that Ellen G White never claimed to be a Prophet is false,

"Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?- Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; AND BECAUSE MY WORK INCLUDES MUCH MORE THAN THE WORD "PROPHET" SIGNIFIES."{ Review and Herald , July26, 1907}

"My commission embraces the work of a prophet ,but does not end there.
{Selected messages vol .1pg 36, 1906}

As can be seen in fact is that she claimed to be Greater than the prophets of the Bible, This makes her personally responsible for every error she ever wrote claiming that she was receiving Gods truth to revealed to her followers and for the threats of divine punishment upon any who would not receive her teachiungs as being from God himself,

Early Writings, p. 261.
I saw that as the Jews crucified Jesus, so the nominal churches had crucified these messages and therefore they have no knowledge of the way into the most holy, and they cannot be benefited by the intercession of Jesus there. Like the Jews, who offered their useless sacrifices, they offer up their useless prayers to the apartment which Jesus has left; and Satan, pleased with the deception, assumes a religious character, and leads the minds of these professed Christians to himself .

The truth is Ellen White had many visions that stated anyone who did not accept her teachings were not only lost but had no hope of salvation . Not only are their prayers useless, she taught that they were being heard and answered by Satan.

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

The same way you judge all writings. You accept what is good and discard what is bad. What is so difficult about that? In the end, it is your choice that matters, not EGW.

The problem is EGW claimed infallibility and she obviously wasn't infallible. The SDA church still calls her a prophet in their official doctrinal statement. The prophets in didn't instruct us to throw out the bad and take the good. In fact we see in scripture that God hates those who steal their prophect from other, which it has been proven that EGW did. We see that if a says something will happen and it does not then they are not a prophet. EGW fails the Biblical test of being a prophet and still the SDA church identifies her as such in their official doctrinal statement. She claimed that nothing whe wrote was from her own opinion. If we throw out that statement the we can throw out all of her writings because they are no good. God does not deal in lies and plagirism. EGW's writings were stolen from other writers and then she claimed they were visions from God. She was not even truthful about the source of her writings how can we trust that anything she said has a shred of truth to it? We cannot and I can assure you that God does not go about working through liars and thieves.

 

[deu58]

Hello stateri

The same way you judge all writings. You accept what is good and discard what is bad. What is so difficult about that? In the end, it is your choice that matters, not EGW.

The problem with this is EGW did not give her followers that option, If she were alive today and read the things you are saying she herself would have you put out of the church,

You walk in disobedience to your own churchs teachings,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Cliff2]

You do not understand the role that EGW played, and as a result you say things out of context.

 

[deu58]

Hello cliff

You do not understand the role that EGW played, and as a result you say things out of context.

No cliff, You are trying to deny the role she played and still plays in certain circles with in the SDA church, This is a woman whom with one word had ordained pastors removed the church,

It is a fact that many of the SDA pastors who have been removed from the church were not removed because they disagreed with the bible but because they disagreed with her, Nor were they removed for any immoral indescretaions,

So it is pretty obvious who wears the pants in the SDA church, Ellen G White,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[statrei]

Hello cliff



No cliff, You are trying to deny the role she played and still plays in certain circles with in the SDA church, This is a woman whom with one word had ordained pastors removed the church,

It is a fact that many of the SDA pastors who have been removed from the church were not removed because they disagreed with the bible but because they disagreed with her, Nor were they removed for any immoral indescretaions,

So it is pretty obvious who wears the pants in the SDA church, Ellen G White,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Deu58, who convinced you that EGW is still alive? She died in 1915. As to your implication that no other pastor in any denomination has ever been dismissed because he found himself at odds with some other individual in the denomination, I think you should check your water supply.

 

[statrei]

Hello stateri



The problem with this is EGW did not give her followers that option, If she were alive today and read the things you are saying she herself would have you put out of the church,

You walk in disobedience to your own churchs teachings,

yours in Christ
deu 58

The Jews felt the same way about Jesus. Wake up my brother. Stop hyperventilating about a dead woman. Find something more constructive to do.

 

[statrei]

The problem is EGW claimed infallibility and she obviously wasn't infallible. The SDA church still calls her a prophet in their official doctrinal statement. The prophets in didn't instruct us to throw out the bad and take the good. In fact we see in scripture that God hates those who steal their prophect from other, which it has been proven that EGW did. We see that if a says something will happen and it does not then they are not a prophet. EGW fails the Biblical test of being a prophet and still the SDA church identifies her as such in their official doctrinal statement. She claimed that nothing whe wrote was from her own opinion. If we throw out that statement the we can throw out all of her writings because they are no good. God does not deal in lies and plagirism. EGW's writings were stolen from other writers and then she claimed they were visions from God. She was not even truthful about the source of her writings how can we trust that anything she said has a shred of truth to it? We cannot and I can assure you that God does not go about working through liars and thieves.

You have obviously not read the Bible properly. If you had you would find that in many cases the NT writers misinterpreted the OT. The more you talk the less informed you prove yourself to be. Do you want to be known as an expert on EGW? Whatever floats your boat.

 

[deu58]

Hello Stateri

The Jews felt the same way about Jesus. Wake up my brother. Stop hyperventilating about a dead woman. Find something more constructive to do.

Are you trying to equate the false ministry of a false prophetess with the ministry of our lord and saviour???

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[statrei]

Hello Stateri



Are you trying to equate the false ministry of a false prophetess with the ministry of our lord and saviour???

yours in Christ
deu 58

My comment was in response to your claim that I am walking in disobedience to my church's teachings.

Maybe I should give you some advice. Never be bound by the opinions of the group to which you belong.

 

[deu58]

Hello Staterei

My comment was in response to your claim that I am walking in disobedience to my church's teachings.

Maybe I should give you some advice. Never be bound by the opinions of the group to which you belong.

So then when you are with them you pretend to believe one thing and when you are away from them you pretend to believe something else???

Nothing like honesty integrity and accountability,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[statrei]

Hello Staterei



So then when you are with them you pretend to believe one thing and when you are away from them you pretend to believe something else???

Nothing like honesty integrity and accountability,

yours in Christ
deu 58

Here you go again jumping to stupid conclusions. Please stop projecting. If you want to know, ask.

 

[Cliff2]

God does not deal in lies and plagirism. (flessh99)

How much of the New Testament is directly coppied from the Old Testament without any footnotes to say where it has come from?