SDA Question

[Airdude]

Christian martyers wont get paid what so ever, and there are many percecuted christians all over the world. All you have to do is look into the internet.

This is a completely different and unrelated issue.

i believe thats why SDA avoided my question.

SDA's on this thread have given you a very accurate description of how the church relates to this issue. It may not be the answer you are looking for but it is accurate. You say it is wrong to kill and you are correct. Are we to turn our backs on our military personell just because we disagree with what they do? With that logic Jesus would never have had anything to do with Zacheus, Mary Magdalene, Matthew, or most of the other people He spent time with. Remember, Jesus may hate the sin, but He loves the sinner. This is the example we should follow.

 

[Mrs.Wildee]

This is a completely different and unrelated issue.



SDA's on this thread have given you a very accurate description of how the church relates to this issue. It may not be the answer you are looking for but it is accurate. You say it is wrong to kill and you are correct. Are we to turn our backs on our military personell just because we disagree with what they do? With that logic Jesus would never have had anything to do with Zacheus, Mary Magdalene, Matthew, or most of the other people He spent time with. Remember, Jesus may hate the sin, but He loves the sinner. This is the example we should follow.

the way i understand the NT is different from yours. please dont keep push it.

we just have to agree to disagree on this issue. we have to wait on His judgement on His day.

May God be with you!

 

[deu58]

Hello Mrs Wildee

Deu, it's so offensive that you comment on mine as "narrow minded". I don't know why you cannot find church you agree. When I read your posts, most churches agree with you.

I am afraid that you have misunderstood what I meant. Let try to clarify,

What I meant by the Narrow sense is that I do disagree with your belief in a 100% prohibition of Christains being able to take up arms to defend their country or enforce the laws of the land,

The Narrow sense I mean is regarding the particular topic itself, Not that you have a narrow mind,

I do agree with you in the broad sense that the church is more interested in a popular message today than a truthfull one,

I used narrow sense and broad sense in refrence to I disagree with you on one point but I agree with you on the broader sense of a popular message being preached today.

I in no way meant to offend or insult you nor was I saying anything conerning your state mind and I apologize that you felt offended by what I said,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Mrs.Wildee]

Hello Mrs Wildee


I am afraid that you have misunderstood what I meant. Let try to clarify,

What I meant by the Narrow sense is that I do disagree with your belief in a 100% prohibition of Christains being able to take up arms to defend their country or enforce the laws of the land,

The Narrow sense I mean is regarding the particular topic itself, Not that you have a narrow mind,

I do agree with you in the broad sense that the church is more interested in a popular message today than a truthfull one,

I used narrow sense and broad sense in refrence to I disagree with you on one point but I agree with you on the broader sense of a popular message being preached today.

I in no way meant to offend or insult you nor was I saying anything conerning your state mind and I apologize that you felt offended by what I said,

yours in Christ
deu 58

thank you for your clarification. but you mentioned that you can not find any church you agree with. when i read your posts, your view is very popular, and most churches practice your kind of interpretations.

 

[deu58]

Hi Mrs wildee

thank you for your clarification. but you mentioned that you can not find any church you agree with. when i read your posts, your view is very popular, and most churches practice your kind of interpretations.

So one may think but not really,

I do not believe that woman should be pastors, I do not believe in gay pastors or gay marriage, I do not believe in the gifts of the spirit the way most do, Babbling incoherently to me is not a spiritual gift, I do not believe in the mandatory 10% tithe,


I do not believe that there is any one true physical church,

I do not think that just because one is a christian they should never be sick and they should rolling in clover all the time,

I do not believe in praying to any one except God, I do not believe we should call any man on earth father, I do not believe in the communion of saints in that we should pray to the dead to intercede for us,

I do believe in the pure religion spoken of in james 1:27. And here in our home church we try to practice it,

I do keep the Sabbath rather than Sunday because I chose to, Not because I believe I have to,

I do believe that one should give from a cheerful heart what one can afford to give,

I do believe that if a Pastor is in error and discovers his error that he is obligated to his congregation to admit his mistake and correct it rather than cover it up or continue in the error for the sake of pride,


This is just a small list of the differences I have with many of the denominations that are out there,

 

[Mrs.Wildee]

Hi Mrs wildee



So one may think but not really,

I do not believe that woman should be pastors, I do not believe in gay pastors or gay marriage, I do not believe in the gifts of the spirit the way most do, Babbling incoherently to me is not a spiritual gift, I do not believe in the mandatory 10% tithe,


I do not believe that there is any one true physical church,

I do not think that just because one is a christian they should never be sick and they should rolling in clover all the time,

I do not believe in praying to any one except God, I do not believe we should call any man on earth father, I do not believe in the communion of saints in that we should pray to the dead to intercede for us,

I do believe in the pure religion spoken of in james 1:27. And here in our home church we try to practice it,

I do keep the Sabbath rather than Sunday because I chose to, Not because I believe I have to,

I do believe that one should give from a cheerful heart what one can afford to give,

I do believe that if a Pastor is in error and discovers his error that he is obligated to his congregation to admit his mistake and correct it rather than cover it up or continue in the error for the sake of pride,


This is just a small list of the differences I have with many of the denominations that are out there,

well, most of your objection is justified. i do believe this country's Christian leadership is in a deep trouble. God help us!

 

[Cliff2]

I do not believe that woman should be pastors, I do not believe in gay pastors or gay marriage, I do not believe in the gifts of the spirit the way most do, Babbling incoherently to me is not a spiritual gift, I do not believe in the mandatory 10% tithe, (deu58)

The daughters of Phillip had the gift of prophecy. Do you think they did any preaching?

This does not mean they were ordained. Some woman had the gift of prophecy in the Old Tetstament as well.

 

[Cliff2]

Acts 21 (New International Version)

8Leaving the next day, we reached Caesarea and stayed at the house of Philip the evangelist, one of the Seven. 9He had four unmarried daughters who prophesied.

 

[deu58]

Hello cliff

The daughters of Phillip had the gift of prophecy. Do you think they did any preaching?

This does not mean they were ordained. Some woman had the gift of prophecy in the Old Tetstament as well.

Were these daughters leaders of a chuch or did they decide who was fit and and not fit to teach their prophecies?? Did they rule and have final authority over men??

1co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

You claim to follow the the example of Christ, How many female apostles were there in the ministry of Christ??

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Cliff2]

Hello cliff


Were these daughters leaders of a chuch or did they decide who was fit and and not fit to teach their prophecies?? Did they rule and have final authority over men??

1co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

You claim to follow the the example of Christ, How many female apostles were there in the ministry of Christ??

yours in Christ
deu 58

The daughters of Phillip had the gift of prophecy. Do you think they did any preaching?

This does not mean they were ordained. Some woman had the gift of prophecy in the Old Tetstament as well. (Cliff)

Please note, I have said this does not mean they were ordained.

Just because they had the gift of prophecy does not mean they were ordained and most likely were not. To my knowledge no woman were ordained as ministers.

It does not mean they never preached. What would be the point of them having the gift of prophecy and not telling anyone what God had revealed to them?

 

[Mrs.Wildee]

Hi Mrs wildee



So one may think but not really,

I do not believe that woman should be pastors, I do not believe in gay pastors or gay marriage, I do not believe in the gifts of the spirit the way most do, Babbling incoherently to me is not a spiritual gift, I do not believe in the mandatory 10% tithe,


I do not believe that there is any one true physical church,

I do not think that just because one is a christian they should never be sick and they should rolling in clover all the time,

I do not believe in praying to any one except God, I do not believe we should call any man on earth father, I do not believe in the communion of saints in that we should pray to the dead to intercede for us,

I do believe in the pure religion spoken of in james 1:27. And here in our home church we try to practice it,

I do keep the Sabbath rather than Sunday because I chose to, Not because I believe I have to,

I do believe that one should give from a cheerful heart what one can afford to give,

I do believe that if a Pastor is in error and discovers his error that he is obligated to his congregation to admit his mistake and correct it rather than cover it up or continue in the error for the sake of pride,


This is just a small list of the differences I have with many of the denominations that are out there,

hi due, i re read them and do you mind if we discuss one of them?

its about "pastors' errers". i wholeheartedly agree that churches won't talk about their sins especially pastors'. why is that? Paul says "expose the evil deeds". this is one of the main reason why we have so many corrupted churches and pastors. it seems that no one cares. this is a huge problem, i believe. but all denominations i talked don't agree with me. thats why i dont attend organized church.

 

[FreeinChrist]

hi due, i re read them and do you mind if we discuss one of them?

its about "pastors' errers". i wholeheartedly agree that churches won't talk about their sins especially pastors'. why is that? Paul says "expose the evil deeds". this is one of the main reason why we have so many corrupted churches and pastors. it seems that no one cares. this is a huge problem, i believe. but all denominations i talked don't agree with me. thats why i dont attend organized church.

I believe the topic of the thread is the Seventh-Day Adventist church.

Rather than deviate the discussion completely away from this topic to the topic of pastors, why don't you start another thread?

 

[Cliff2]

hi due, i re read them and do you mind if we discuss one of them?

its about "pastors' errers". i wholeheartedly agree that churches won't talk about their sins especially pastors'. why is that? Paul says "expose the evil deeds". this is one of the main reason why we have so many corrupted churches and pastors. it seems that no one cares. this is a huge problem, i believe. but all denominations i talked don't agree with me. thats why i dont attend organized church.

I am not sure of what Church you have in mind. Can I suggest that you look to Chirst. This does not in any way exuse corupt ministers but we need to keep our focus on Jesus.

When we look to humans as our example we will always find that they have failures and from that it will bring discouragement to our own Christian walk.

Just lookn at some of these replies, there is one that always finds the worst about what is taking place. Besides the thorns in the field there are flowers as well and looking around there are bound to be some.

 

[Mrs.Wildee]

I am not sure of what Church you have in mind. Can I suggest that you look to Chirst. This does not in any way exuse corupt ministers but we need to keep our focus on Jesus.

When we look to humans as our example we will always find that they have failures and from that it will bring discouragement to our own Christian walk.

Just lookn at some of these replies, there is one that always finds the worst about what is taking place. Besides the thorns in the field there are flowers as well and looking around there are bound to be some.

cliff, we should look whole reality. not just what we want to see. that's how we should read and obey Bible too. We strive to obey everything not just what we want to obey. this world is not so pretty because it's operated by Satan. if we see this world otherwise we are decieving ourseves and others..

 

[Cliff2]

cliff, we should look whole reality. not just what we want to see. that's how we should read and obey Bible too. We strive to obey everything not just what we want to obey. this world is not so pretty because it's operated by Satan. if we see this world otherwise we are decieving ourseves and others..

I like one part of your statement here.

We strive to obey everything not just what we want to obey

It is not that I have anything against the rest of it but you have hit the nail right on the head.

 

[deu58]

hi due, i re read them and do you mind if we discuss one of them?

its about "pastors' errers". i wholeheartedly agree that churches won't talk about their sins especially pastors'. why is that? Paul says "expose the evil deeds". this is one of the main reason why we have so many corrupted churches and pastors. it seems that no one cares. this is a huge problem, i believe. but all denominations i talked don't agree with me. thats why i dont attend organized church.

Hi Mrswildee

Actually I was not focusing on any one denomination or pastor,



Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Mrs.Wildee]

Hi Mrswildee

Actually I was not focusing on any one denomination or pastor,



Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.

yours in Christ
deu 58

i am not talking about one denomination either. it's over all obsevation.

 

[BrightCandle]

Hi Mrs wildee



So one may think but not really,

I do not believe that woman should be pastors, I do not believe in gay pastors or gay marriage, I do not believe in the gifts of the spirit the way most do, Babbling incoherently to me is not a spiritual gift, I do not believe in the mandatory 10% tithe,


I do not believe that there is any one true physical church,

I do not think that just because one is a christian they should never be sick and they should rolling in clover all the time,

I do not believe in praying to any one except God, I do not believe we should call any man on earth father, I do not believe in the communion of saints in that we should pray to the dead to intercede for us,

I do believe in the pure religion spoken of in james 1:27. And here in our home church we try to practice it,

I do keep the Sabbath rather than Sunday because I chose to, Not because I believe I have to,

I do believe that one should give from a cheerful heart what one can afford to give,

I do believe that if a Pastor is in error and discovers his error that he is obligated to his congregation to admit his mistake and correct it rather than cover it up or continue in the error for the sake of pride,


This is just a small list of the differences I have with many of the denominations that are out there,

Wow, deu58! Sounds like you would make a great SDA. I didn't know that you kept the Sabbath! Awesome! It looks like all of the Bible texts that Cliff and I have shared with you have finally gotten through to your soul!

 

[deu58]

Hello Bright Candle

Wow, deu58! Sounds like you would make a great SDA. I didn't know that you kept the Sabbath! Awesome! It looks like all of the Bible texts that Cliff and I have shared with you have finally gotten through to your soul!

I think you know better than that, The Sabbath of the Bible and the Sabbath of the SDA church are two completely different things, There is no where in the bible that says the Sabbath became a test in 1844 and is now necessary for salvation today,

The SDA Sabbath is contrary to what the NT teaches regarding days, Many of the members in our home church are ex SDA, They prefer to keep the Sabbath, They no longer see it as a test either, It is just habit and something they enjoy doing, others in the group are ex Catholics, What day we worship does not really mean much to them either,

So why force a change on something that is as unimportant as what day is the right or wrong day concerning worship?

The important factor in NT worship is that all worship must be in spirit and truth regardless of the day or time.

I keep it for the sake and the comfort of the brethren in the home church, I know that I have freedom under the law of Christ to do so, Something that you do not yet understand,

Our church is somewhat of a democratic group, We discuss the things we want to do and keep as a church. Every body has say in how the church is run

Considering that we are small group,about 20 people, that is relatively easy now,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Cliff2]

Hello Bright Candle



I think you know better than that, The Sabbath of the Bible and the Sabbath of the SDA church are two completely different things, There is no where in the bible that says the Sabbath became a test in 1844 and is now necessary for salvation today,

The SDA Sabbath is contrary to what the NT teaches regarding days, Many of the members in our home church are ex SDA, They prefer to keep the Sabbath, They no longer see it as a test either, It is just habit and something they enjoy doing, others in the group are ex Catholics, What day we worship does not really mean much to them either,

So why force a change on something that is as unimportant as what day is the right or wrong day concerning worship?

The important factor in NT worship is that all worship must be in spirit and truth regardless of the day or time.

I keep it for the sake and the comfort of the brethren in the home church, I know that I have freedom under the law of Christ to do so, Something that you do not yet understand,

Our church is somewhat of a democratic group, We discuss the things we want to do and keep as a church. Every body has say in how the church is run

Considering that we are small group,about 20 people, that is relatively easy now,

yours in Christ
deu 58

I am sure "Bright Candle" will have a good answer for you.