Hi Cliff
Well cliff where do we start, There so much, First lets deal with the "
We SDA only use the Bible" Myth
This is copied from the official SDA news website
http://news.adventist.org/specials/2005/gcsession/voted_docs/fundamental_beliefs.html
Protocol Statement on Additions or Revisions to the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs
VOTED, To approve a Protocol Statement on Additions or Revisions to the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs, which reads as follows:
In adding to and/or revising the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs it is imperative to involve the world church as much as possible in the process. Any suggestion should be based on a serious concern for the well-being of the world church and its message and mission, be biblically based, and informed by the writings of Ellen G White.
As can be seen from above the SDA's actually mean" We follow only the Bible as Ellen White has instructed us to follow it through her Spirit of Prophecy"
Lets look at the other two visions i have requested biblical support for that you will not answer, You tried to answer the 1846 Sabbath vision with your own personal opinion ,which was really pretty lame any way, but what I asked for was biblical support
A Sketch of the Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White (185) PG 25
I saw that the present test on the Sabbath could not come until the mediation of Jesus in the Holy Place was finished, and he had passed within the second vail; therefore, Christians who fell asleep before the door was opened in the Most Holy, when the midnight cry was finished, at the seventh month 1844, and had not kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope, for they had not the light, and the test on the Sabbath, which we now have since that door was opened. I saw that Satan was tempting some of God's people on this point. Because so many good Christians have fallen asleep in the triumphs of faith, and have not kept the true Sabbath, they were doubting about it being a test for us now.
A Sketch of the Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White (1851) Pg 25
Christians who fell asleep before the door was opened in the Most Holy, when the midnight cry was finished, at the seventh month 1844, and had not kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope,for they had not the light, and the test on the Sabbath, which we now have since that door was opened.
Ellen White herself states,"
I saw that the present test on the Sabbath could not come until the mediation of Jesus in the Holy Place was finished, and he had passed within the second vail;" and
"they were doubting about it being a test for us now."
So it was/is not biblicly possible to discern that the Sabbath would ever become a test for salvation, It is all based on her vision that it all started in 1844, Strangly the test began two years before she had the vision!!! And we will not even get the the part where the SDA's actually kept the Sabbath incerrectly for 10 years following the great prophetesses instructions
And the second is the statement that Slaves will not be resurrected by God neither in the first resurrection nor the second resurrection,
Early Writings Spiritual Gifts page 276
I saw that the slave master [SEE APPENDIX.] will have to answer for the soul of his slave whom he has kept in ignorance; and the sins of the slave will be visited upon the master. God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes. But He does the best thing for him that a compassionate God can do. He permits him to be as if he had not been, while the master must endure the seven last plagues and then come up in the second resurrection and suffer the second, most awful death. Then the justice of God will be satisfied.
So the African plantation slaves have no part in any resurrection????? Neither the resurrection of the righteous or the wicked?
Apparently Sister White was unfamiliar with the slaves great hope of the Jubilee, or that more than a few of the greatest hymns ever composed were from the illiterate slaves which they sang as they labored in the fields praying for the day Jesus would come and liberate them and take them to Beulah land.
Can you show us from the bible that these people, Many of them actually believers, will not be resurrected but simply go the way of the dog and the cat?
Here is another good one from 1856,
Spiritual Gifts Vol4b
Number Two-The two ways Pg 18
I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel, "Some food for worms, [SISTER CLARISSA M. BONFOEY, WHO FELL ASLEEP IN JESUS ONLY THREE DAYS AFTER THIS VISION WAS GIVEN, WAS PRESENT, IN USUAL HEALTH, AND WAS DEEPLY IMPRESSED THAT SHE WAS ONE THAT WOULD GO INTO THE GRAVE, AND STATED HER CONVICTIONS TO OTHERS.] some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth, to be translated at the coming of Jesus." {4bSG 18.1}
This is a prophetic vision she had in 1856, No body died due to the 7 last plagues and unless the SDA's have some really old folks stashed some where there are none left alive today waiting to be translated, Ellen White actually blamed the church for her failed visions of Jesus not coming rather than her visions being false, She had several of them but the food for worms vision was her last attempt to predict the soon return of Christ, Her follEllen G White is never wrong.
The Great Controversy Ch 26 a work of reform 458
It was not the will of God that Israel should wander forty years in the wilderness; He desired to lead them directly to the land of Canaan and establish them there, a holy, happy people. But "they could not enter in because of unbelief." Hebrews 3:19. Because of their backsliding and apostasy they perished in the desert, and others were raised up to enter the Promised Land. In like manner, it was not the will of God that the coming of Christ should be so long delayed and His people should remain so many years in this world of sin and sorrow. But unbelief separated them from God. As they refused to do the work which He had appointed them, others were raised up to proclaim the message. In mercy to the world, Jesus delays His coming, that sinners may have an opportunity to hear the warning and find in Him a shelter before the wrath of God shall be poured out. {GC 458.1}
There are lots more but lets let cliff figure these out for us, We could mention that all of her visions including the Sabbath and Investigative Judgment visions were supposed to be finished by 1851, Jesus was supposed to have returned in the fall of 1851, obviously he did not Leaving the SDA 's in an embarassing situation called the Shut door doctrine, Ellen White claimed that she never had any visions confirming the shut door but she flat lied because else where in the writings she herself says she had several visions that convinced others peoeple who did not accept the shut door vision as true,
Then the failed Sunday law vision law of the 1880's. That is another good one, She made so much noise about that one even the SDA church could not sweep it under the rug, It joined the SDA pantheon of unfulfilled prophetic visions that must have a future fulfillment such as the Investigative Judgment. The Shut door the Food for Worms vision etc
Here is the real SDA killer right here though, Every thing EllenWhite ever said hinges on Oct 22 1844 date being the actual day of atonement, Unfortunantly for the SDA's it was not, The 1844 date for the day of atonement was Sept 23
Great Controversy pg 400
Under the Mosaic system the cleansing of the sanctuary, or the great Day of Atonement, occurred on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month (Leviticus 16:29-34), when the high priest, having made an atonement for all Israel, and thus removed their sins from the sanctuary, came forth and blessed the people. So it was believed that Christ, our great High Priest, would appear to purify the earth by the destruction of sin and sinners, and to bless His waiting people with immortality. The tenth day of the seventh month, the great Day of Atonement, the time of the cleansing of the sanctuary, which in the year 1844 fell upon the twenty-second of October, was regarded as the time of the Lord's coming. This was in harmony with the proofs already presented that the 2300 days would terminate in the autumn, and the conclusion seemed irresistible. {GC 399.4}
This is very easily checked, The Jews keep records going way way back when concerning these things so I decided to check it out,
Forum: the Judaism, Jewish Culture, Israel Forum
Subject: sabbatth
From: BlackFedora (BLACKFEDORA)
To: deu58 (DEU58)
DateTime: 5/6/2003 1:32:35 PM
In 1844, Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, corresponded to Sept. 23. Yom Kippur
can, and often does occur in October. In fact, Oct. 6, 2003 is Yom Kippur. The
latest Yom Kippur can fall, however, is around Oct. 13.
As for anything significant occurring of Oct. 22, 1844, I know of nothing.
Regards,
BF
OOPS!!!!!!.:o
yours in Christ
deu 58
