Hi Egghead,
Egghead said:
What I meant was that the REAL test of something is when it can withstand scruntiny from those who oppose it.
Taking the word of someone who is all for something without getting the ideas of those against it is one sure fire way to be duped.
I agree, And I was not trying to be critical or sarcastic about your post, Here is why I say what I say though,
When I first met my wife she gave me a copy of the Great Controversy, I had been told she {EGW } only had a third grade education etc and I had never heard of her before so needless to say I was quite impressed with what I read,
I knew nothing at the time about the Saturday/ Sunday issue, Constantine or had any real knowledege about the Papacy Luther and reformation, Never heard of William Miller and the 1844 Great Disappointment etc so all the historical errors in the Great Controversy went right over my head.
Next was Patriarchs and Prophets, Patriarchs and Prophets starts With Genesis and ends at end of King Davids reign in Israel,
It is supposedly a bible commentary where God gave her in vision many many details not recorded in the Bible,
When I started to read P&P I went page by page using the bible, It was not very long at all before the truth stood out like a sore thumb, By not very long I mean in less than an hours worth of reading I knew the P&P was nothing but lies and decption, The entire book just fell apart under the scrutiny of Scripture
I went to the wife and told her hey you gotta take a look at this and she was very unhappy with me that I should say something negative about the great prophetess and even gave me a warning {Many Times} that God may punish me for saying something bad about His chosen vessle,
She began bringing in all kinds of different SDA's from pastors to who ever she thought could show me the light,
They were all like cliff here, Dance around or just ignore the real questions and try to blow smoke, My first questions were " You say this is the truth but it is full of errors," After attempting several explain it all away type statements then they would usually admit well yes there are some problems in the writings,
Then I would say you never told me there were any problems in the writings when you were trying to make me an SDA!!!
The usual response to that is the truth of the writings is more important than the errors of the writings, Then comes the "well, Ellen White never really did claim to be a prophet" Which is a flat lie, She actually claimed to be greater than the prophets of the Bible,
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Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?- Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; AND BECAUSE MY WORK INCLUDES MUCH MORE THAN THE WORD "PROPHET" SIGNIFIES."{ Review and Herald , July26, 1907}
"My commission embraces the work of a prophet ,but does not end there.
{Selected messages vol .1pg 36, 1906}
I actually have read some of the supporting peoples writings and gone to other sites that support Ellen White and it is all the same, Just some have a bigger brain than others and use bigger words,
But regardless of those for or against they are not the ones that convinced me of the errors in the writings, I discovered them all by myself in the Bible by doing my own study and my own investigating,
I use those other sources to discover questions that I have not asked but then I go and look it up for myself, I compare it all with the Ellen White writings and the bible,
There are major inconsistincies in the writings, She flip flops on issues like a fish out of water constantly, people like cliff say well that is because things were still being revealed to her, That might be acceptable if she were just another bible scholar but we are dealing with a woman who claimed to recieve divine visions from Heaven and these visions were leading people into error rather than truth,
None of her prophecies have come true, SDA's have to really stretch to get one to even come close to having been fulfilled, The few that appeared to have been real have been disproven by her own ex supporters who knew she actually had previous information given to her from human sources before hand,
yours in Christ
deu 58
