SDA please explain the failed prediction of Ellen White (SDA Prophet)

[eleos1954]

You can object all you want and be angry all you want. But you don't play fair. Until Ellen White is no longer in your mindset. You will bring it up. Every SDA who takes their faith seriously will defer to Ellen White on matters of doctrine. Matters of interpretation. You are no exception. You've been caught red-handed.


Consulting Ellen White matters of doctrine. Other members on this forum who have caught you in the same act. The discussion on the abyss is a perfect example.


Because Ellen White endorsed a particular View you will not change your view on the abyss. It causes much confusion here. People are bewildered, they do not understand why you can't see the evidenc, until we point out you are using another standard. Then it becomes clear. So we must make everybody aware of the assumptions you are making when interpreting scripture. Since You consult Ellen Whites the criticism of her wrist fair game.

I'm not angry ... at all ... that's an assumption/misunderstanding ... I said ... I find her writings inspiring ... and ... rather than people taking one's opinion over anothers they should read for themselves. I don't base "my views" on anything anyone else's writings ... I base them on His Word to the best of my understanding and continue to study and prayerfully ask for the Lords guidance ... sure I have come to some core beliefs like many have ... but they weren't/aren't based on or from Ms. Whites writings .... we read a lot of things (outside His written Word) and may agree with some and disagree with others ... that's not unusual.

Ms. Whites writings, writings of the reformists, C.S. Lewis or any other writings we read should be used to encourage/inspire others to dig deep into His Word and study for themselves and formulate their beliefs from that (His Word) ... and there are many writings outside the Bible that do that Ms. White is one of many ... and yeah it's no secrete there are many interpretations on different things (to be considered). Views may or may not change (such as yourself) ... if so ... depending on those views one may ... or may not choose to continue in any earthly organized church system ... that's up to the individual. There is no "perfect earthy church system" ... all are in an apostate condition one way or another.

Those in Christ transcends all earthly church systems. It's all about Him.

That is His sheep are scattered across the entire globe.

I do know ... He wants us in His Word daily.

Often we need to agree to disagree on some things ... so I remain there.

Romans 12:18 ESV​

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Peace to you ... peace to all. Stay in His Word and may peace reign in all hearts as we journey onwards.

2 Timothy 1:7~ “ But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

I look forward to His return and Him ending this mess. Amen

 

[Leaf473]

Sola scriptura testing - and the fact that we accept Jeremiah 18 as inspired writing as it teaches about conditional prophecy.

I guess we all knew that.

Thanks for the response, here's what I'm asking:

The official website gives 7 "...ways you can test a prophet to see if they are really speaking for God."

This is the first one.
"1. Their prophecies should honor God, not themselves or any other human being."

So using those seven ways, please show how Jonah is or isn't a prophet.

A Biblical Guide to Understanding Prophets

There’s no one-size-fits-all description for what every prophet is like or what they’re called to do. Here’s how God can use ordinary people to do powerful

www.adventist.org

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I'm not angry ... at all ... that's an assumption/misunderstanding ... I said ... I find her writings inspiring ... and ... rather than people taking one's opinion over anothers they should read for themselves. I don't base "my views" on anything anyone else's writings ... I base them on His Word to the best of my understanding and continue to study and prayerfully ask for the Lords guidance ... sure I have come to some core beliefs like many have ... but they weren't/aren't based on or from Ms. Whites writings .... we read a lot of things (outside His written Word) and may agree with some and disagree with others ... that's not unusual.

Ms. Whites writings, writings of the reformists, C.S. Lewis or any other writings we read should be used to encourage/inspire others to dig deep into His Word and study for themselves and formulate their beliefs from that (His Word) ... and there are many writings outside the Bible that do that Ms. White is one of many ... and yeah it's no secrete there are many interpretations on different things (to be considered). Views may or may not change (such as yourself) ... if so ... depending on those views one may ... or may not choose to continue in any earthly organized church system ... that's up to the individual. There is no "perfect earthy church system" ... all are in an apostate condition one way or another.

Those in Christ transcends all earthly church systems. It's all about Him.

That is His sheep are scattered across the entire globe.

I do know ... He wants us in His Word daily.

Often we need to agree to disagree on some things ... so I remain there.

Romans 12:18 ESV​

If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Peace to you ... peace to all. Stay in His Word and may peace reign in all hearts as we journey onwards.

2 Timothy 1:7~ “ But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

I look forward to His return and Him ending this mess. Amen

i am not sure where you are coming from, it is confusing. you are not an SDA, are you a former or a never has been. your statements reflect a more then a passing knowledge with her writings, but not a full understanding of the authority placed in her by the SDA denomination. It is not because she is inspiring that there is a problem. I agree with you that she is inspiring, but that does not make her a prophet with the authority of Scripture. I agree her evangelical works have value because she copied and borrowed value from other people not because she is a prophet. That is ok to do, but don't call yourself a prophet. C.S. Lewis is a great Christian author, but he is not a prophet and the source of authority for our faith. We don't quote him for doctrine. SDA do quote ellen for Doctrine. That is why they don't have a theology about Israel despite the fulfillment of the Lord's word through Israrel, That really could have help SDA theology.

 

[Leaf473]

Ok --- sounds good.

how about this ( I will add this to one of my page 1 posts)
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Well, if you change your response, that will throw off the results of the poll.

Exposing failed accusation #1 in post: #56

I believe I saw this defense, or something similar to it, online.

I didn't find it compelling; it seems too convoluted.

Exposing failed accusation #2 in post: #3
Exposing failed accusation #3 in post: #3
Exposing failed accusation #4 in post: #3
Exposing failed accusation #5 in post: #5 #58
Exposing failed accusation #6 in post: #3 #16
Exposing failed accusation #7 in post: #3 #16
Exposing failed accusation #8 in post: #3 #40 – #8 is same as accusation #5 but with more detail
Exposing failed accusation #9 in post: #61

Peace be with you!

 

[Leaf473]

The thing is you don't need her. the SDA chruch is 80% right, the other 20 percent that is wrong is locked into place by EGW. Get rid of her and we make the adjustment and never have to deal with this again.

My grandmother claimed to be a prophet. I wouldn't make agreeing or disagreeing with that claim a qualification for being in the church or taking on roles in the church. I wouldn't require that for myself or anyone else.

Compare that with the role that Joseph Smith plays for the "latter-day saints". If you don't believe Smith was a prophet, most doors of that church are closed to you.

The idea that you're putting forward, could it be just to let individual SDA's decide for themselves if she's a prophet or not? One Adventist thinks she's a prophet, another doesn't, no big deal. Would that work?

 

[The Liturgist]

My grandmother claimed to be a prophet. I wouldn't make agreeing or disagreeing with that claim a qualification for being in the church or taking on roles in the church. I wouldn't require that for myself or anyone else.

Compare that with the role that Joseph Smith plays for the "latter-day saints". If you don't believe Smith was a prophet, most doors of that church are closed to you.

The idea that you're putting forward, could it be just to let individual SDA's decide for themselves if she's a prophet or not? One Adventist thinks she's a prophet, another doesn't, no big deal. Would that work?

My understanding is that is how things were until the past few years.

 

[Leaf473]

hey non-sda's

Do you see what the Ellen whiter's are doing
1. they are now attacking people personally and trying to get away from the evidence called "Shifting the Focus". Evidence that everyone should be aware of. Do you see that?

2. Now they are claiming victory when no victory has been won. Do you see that?

3. The are attacking people making it about credientials & crediblity. They will go so far as to lie about people and make up stuff about people. Do you see that.

4. They are attacking the motives all for bringing up bacis facts about EGW. You are not allowed to question the authority of the Prophet. Even in the face of massive failuers. Trying to be faithful to Jesus is not allowed. you must be faithful to Ellen at all Cost. Even if it mean disobey Christ. Can you see that.

5. Denying that the facts are the facts. no EGW didn't fail it's all in your mind. you are wrong not her. who are you going to believe Ellen or your lying eyes. Do you see that.

That has to go. That has to stop. the only way it will stop is when she is no longer considered a prophet.

It seems like a common problem with groups that grew up around a particular human personality.

It looks to me like when God wants to make a big move, he sends multiple prophets/signs. This fits with the two or three witnesses recommendation that we see in both Old and New testaments.

 

[Leaf473]

My understanding is that is how things were until the past few years.

Interesting! Do you mean that up until recently, a person could think that White wasn't a prophet, and still be, say, an SDA pastor?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Thank you for pointing to two that you see some merit in at this point. I am happy to respond to the details in those cases.

FAILED Accusation #1 --

False prophecy #1.
Jerusalem will never be built up again, Early Writings, p. 75 - EGW FAILED (no quote give but a page reference)
Jerusalem will be trampled under foot until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Luke 21:24 -Jesus - Fulfilled

Rev 11
Then there was given to me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. 2 Leave out the courtyard which is outside the temple and do not measure it, because it has been given to the gentiles (nations); and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. 3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

So what is the actual quote?? Does the actual quote give us a hint as to why the accusation deliberately did not quote it?

The Gathering Time​

"The Lord has shown me that the message of the third angel must go, and be proclaimed to the scattered children of the Lord, but it must not be hung on time. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising from preaching time; but the third angel's message is stronger than time can be. I saw that this message can stand on its own foundation and needs not time to strengthen it; and that it will go in mighty power, and do its work, and will be cut short in righteousness.
EW 75.1

Rembember that they were still in the "SHUT DOOR period another ERROR endorsed by EGW. What was the Shut door. Here ....
Shut-door theology was a belief held by the Millerite group from 1844 to approximately 1854, some of whom later formed into the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It held that as William Miller had given the final call for salvation, all who did not accept his message were lost.

So here is EGW's false prophecy, and a false teaching, saying "stay and work for the salvation of the Millerite remenant", which she would later renounce and telling those who have an accurate view of the 1000 years, which supports the Sabbath, that they are wrong. Hum!!!!! Do you see why there is an error. That makes no sense.

That is 4 false teachings + a false Prophey. This is your best defense.

Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem, [See Appendix.] and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes. Such a view is calculated to take the mind and interest from the present work of the Lord, under the message of the third angel; for those who think that they are yet to go to Jerusalem will have their minds there, and their means will be withheld from the cause of present truth to get themselves and others there. I saw that such a mission would accomplish no real good, that it would take a long while to make a very few of the Jews believe even in the first advent of Christ, much more to believe in His second advent. I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing and that souls all around them in this land could be helped by them and led to keep the commandments of God, but they were leaving them to perish. I also saw that Old Jerusalem never would be built up;

but is has been built up and that in direct conflict to what EGW said. She was fighting against the Age to come SDA that believed that the 1000 years would be in Jerusalem, Sabbath as a sign of that. That is accurate btw. Jerusalem would be restored as a world power. well that has happened. EGW opposed those ideas and adopted the view the 1000 years would be in heaven and Jerusalem was a sign of nothing. In direct contrast to what Jesus says "Jerusalem would be trampled underfoot UNTIL the time of the Gentiles was fulfilled." well it is rebuilt now, the time must be fulfilled. EGW is on the wrong side of this.

and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time, to keep them from throwing their whole interest into the present work of the Lord, and to cause them to neglect the necessary preparation for the day of the Lord.
EW 75.2

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historic context for "going to old Jerusalem" in the Adventist church of the 1840's and 50's was in opposition to the follow --

" teaching that the Old Testament prophecies of Israel's restoration and world leadership were to be fulfilled by a future gathering of literal Jews into Christ's millennial kingdom--a kingdom on this earth with its capital in literal Jerusalem, to which the nations would come up to a restored temple and its services. "​

By your own admission EGW was opposed to this. Well what do you do with the fact that it has been rebuilt and is the center of a lot of world issue?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Interesting! Do you mean that up until recently, a person could think that White wasn't a prophet, and still be, say, an SDA pastor?

no, SDA's have to sign off on her false prophecy or lose their job. in the last 40 years it has come to knowledge of the general public that there are these issues and the last 20 years it has been particularly hard the retention is dropping from 40% to 25% this corresponds to the rise of the internet.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

My grandmother claimed to be a prophet. I wouldn't make agreeing or disagreeing with that claim a qualification for being in the church or taking on roles in the church. I wouldn't require that for myself or anyone else.

Compare that with the role that Joseph Smith plays for the "latter-day saints". If you don't believe Smith was a prophet, most doors of that church are closed to you.

The idea that you're putting forward, could it be just to let individual SDA's decide for themselves if she's a prophet or not? One Adventist thinks she's a prophet, another doesn't, no big deal. Would that work?

SDA accept EGW in the same manner as Joseph Smith. so yes door are shut. for them. it was for me. I cannot go be part of the SDA church with out getting attacked or shunned. I was recently attaked by of bunch of EGW'er claiming I was resisting prophecy, demanding obediance to EGW for fellowship. the last SDA church I was at was the church I grew up in and when some of the members found out I had issue with Elllen they would not talk to me. so removal is the only real option.

 

[BobRyan]

Rembember that they were still in the "SHUT DOOR period another ERROR endorsed by EGW.

Not true.

Ellen Harmon as a teen believed in it but never did Ellen Harmon or Ellen White say that God gave the message that no more humans could be saved after 1844.

What was the Shut door. Here ....
Shut-door theology was a belief held by the Millerite group from 1844 to approximately 1854, some of whom later formed into the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It held that as William Miller

True for Miller but your interest is in Ellen White - not Miller.

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"With my brethren and sisters, after the time passed in forty-four I did believe no more sinners would be converted. But I never had a vision that no more sinners would be converted. And am clear and free to state no one has ever heard me say or has read from my pen statements which will justify them in the charges they have made against me upon this point. {1SM 74.2}​

1847 letter states that not all Millerites were believers in the shut door of 1844.

“While in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. There was one sister there that was called very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut door. She had great sympathy, and could not believe the door was shut. (I had known nothing of their differences.) Sister Durben [Dearborn?] got up to talk. I felt very, very sad. At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben [Dearborn?] knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's [Dearborn's] singing and shouting with a loud voice. Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Previous to this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected Him to this earth to deliver His people on the tenth day of the seventh month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the Bridegroom's going to the holiest. “1LtMs, Lt 3, 1847, par. 7​

So in 1847 she reports an event in the past where this idea of an open door in the most holy place and a shut door in the holy place was promoted as a result of a direct vision from God.

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"I saw that in 1844 God had opened a door and no man could shut it, and shut a door and no man could open it. Those who rejected the light which was brought to the world by the message of the second angel went into darkness, and how great was that darkness. {1SM 74.3}​

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" I never have stated or written that the world was doomed or damned. I never have under any circumstances used this language to any one, however sinful. I have ever had messages of reproof for those who used these harsh expressions.--Letter 2, 1874. {1SM 74.4} ​

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1LtMs, Lt 5, 1849



Hastings, Brother and Sister

Milton, Massachusetts

April 21, 1849

Portions of this letter are published in 1MR 390; 5MR 93-94, 200. See also Annotations.

“I saw the commandments of God and shut door could not be separated. I saw [that] the time for the commandments of God to shine out to His people was when the door was opened in the inner apartment of the heavenly sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door in the outer apartment and opened the door in the inner apartment and passed into the Most Holy Place, and the faith of Israel now reaches within the second veil where Jesus now stands by the ark. I saw that Jesus had shut the door in the Holy Place and no man can open it, and that He had opened the door in the Most Holy Place and no man can shut it; and that since Jesus had opened the door in the Most Holy Place the commandments have been shining out and God has been testing His people on the holy Sabbath… 1LtMs, Lt 5, 1849, par. 8​

 

[Leaf473]

SDA accept EGW in the same manner as Joseph Smith. so yes door are shut. for them. it was for me. I cannot go be part of the SDA church with out getting attacked or shunned. I was recently attaked by of bunch of EGW'er claiming I was resisting prophecy, demanding obediance to EGW for fellowship. the last SDA church I was at was the church I grew up in and when some of the members found out I had issue with Elllen they would not talk to me. so removal is the only real option.

I'm sad to hear these things

 

[BobRyan]

SDA accept EGW in the same manner as Joseph Smith.

Nope. Not true again..

You need to spend some time with SDAs.

I have had a few years of opportunity to compare notes with Mormons - and it is nothing of that sort.

Read more.

 

[BobRyan]

I'm sad to hear these things

Don't swallow every false accusation against others that you come across.. A good rule to learn in this life.

 

[Leaf473]

Don't swallow every false accusation against others that you come across.. A good rule to learn in this life.

I don't swallow every accusation. I heard the story of a brother who had painful experiences.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 6:2 - Common English Bible

Carry each other’s burdens and so you will fulfill the law of Christ.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Not true.

Ellen Harmon as a teen believed in it but never did Ellen Harmon or Ellen White say that God gave the message that no more humans could be saved after 1844.

Ellen believe at least until the fall of 1851 maybe later. She was the cause of the splits in the Sabbatiarian Advent movement. she ostrocised the Age to come adventist and she was the reason they had the 1856 Bible conference in Michigan. People accused her of writing doctrine for the SDA Church. This is well attested by the SDA church. Don't know why you want to defend this. The SDA church does not.

True for Miller but your interest is in Ellen White - not Miller.

Not sure what you are tying to do here Bob you are directly deying the fact, that is decpiton William Miller renounced his error and went home and died 5 years later. the Millerites, Sabbatarian did not. They kept going with date setting. you are on very dangerous ground now Bob, this is territory that the SDA church does not deny. They admit that the door of EGW and the Sabbatarian Adventist believed that, so you are on an island all by yourself.

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"With my brethren and sisters, after the time passed in forty-four I did believe no more sinners would be converted. But I never had a vision that no more sinners would be converted. And am clear and free to state no one has ever heard me say or has read from my pen statements which will justify them in the charges they have made against me upon this point. {1SM 74.2}​

the issue not weather she had a vision, the issue did she hold to the teaching. she admitts it so why are you trying to defend this. Thank-you for admitting it.

1847 letter states that not all Millerites were believers in the shut door of 1844.

There were somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 millerites so of course not all of them believed in the shut, but about 2000 of them did and they believe only 100,000 to 200,000 were eligible for salvation after 1844

“While in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. There was one sister there that was called very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut door. She had great sympathy, and could not believe the door was shut. (I had known nothing of their differences.) Sister Durben [Dearborn?] got up to talk. I felt very, very sad. At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben [Dearborn?] knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's [Dearborn's] singing and shouting with a loud voice. Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Previous to this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected Him to this earth to deliver His people on the tenth day of the seventh month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the Bridegroom's going to the holiest. “1LtMs, Lt 3, 1847, par. 7​

this does not clear up anything. it says she had a vision that about the shut door and they were expecting Christ to come. How dose that clear it up. which side was she on. the vision does not say she was againt the shut door.

So in 1847 she reports an event in the past where this idea of an open door in the most holy place and a shut door in the holy place was promoted as a result of a direct vision from God.

This is obscurification, you are trying to make things less clear by confusing term. The shut door is not about the HP vs MHP it is about weather salvation was open for people other then the former Millerite believers.

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"I saw that in 1844 God had opened a door and no man could shut it, and shut a door and no man could open it. Those who rejected the light which was brought to the world by the message of the second angel went into darkness, and how great was that darkness. {1SM 74.3}​

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Not relevaveat, ment to confuse the issue.

" I never have stated or written that the world was doomed or damned. I never have under any circumstances used this language to any one, however sinful. I have ever had messages of reproof for those who used these harsh expressions.--Letter 2, 1874. {1SM 74.4} ​

notice the Date 1874 20 years after the events of course she is going to deny them they weaken her claim to prophetic authority. I'd cover it up too, if I were lying to people.

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1LtMs, Lt 5, 1849



Hastings, Brother and Sister

Milton, Massachusetts

April 21, 1849

Portions of this letter are published in 1MR 390; 5MR 93-94, 200. See also Annotations.

“I saw the commandments of God and shut door could not be separated. I saw [that] the time for the commandments of God to shine out to His people was when the door was opened in the inner apartment of the heavenly sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door in the outer apartment and opened the door in the inner apartment and passed into the Most Holy Place, and the faith of Israel now reaches within the second veil where Jesus now stands by the ark. I saw that Jesus had shut the door in the Holy Place and no man can open it, and that He had opened the door in the Most Holy Place and no man can shut it; and that since Jesus had opened the door in the Most Holy Place the commandments have been shining out and God has been testing His people on the holy Sabbath… 1LtMs, Lt 5, 1849, par. 8​

since no such thing happened this is just proof that she is not what she says she is. This does not help you.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Not true.

Ellen Harmon as a teen believed in it but never did Ellen Harmon or Ellen White say that God gave the message that no more humans could be saved after 1844.

True for Miller but your interest is in Ellen White - not Miller.

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"With my brethren and sisters, after the time passed in forty-four I did believe no more sinners would be converted. But I never had a vision that no more sinners would be converted. And am clear and free to state no one has ever heard me say or has read from my pen statements which will justify them in the charges they have made against me upon this point. {1SM 74.2}​

1847 letter states that not all Millerites were believers in the shut door of 1844.

“While in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others, many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. There was one sister there that was called very spiritual. She had traveled and been a powerful preacher the most of the time for twenty years. She had been truly a mother in Israel. But a division had risen in the band on the shut door. She had great sympathy, and could not believe the door was shut. (I had known nothing of their differences.) Sister Durben [Dearborn?] got up to talk. I felt very, very sad. At length my soul seemed to be in an agony, and while she was talking I fell from my chair to the floor. It was then I had a view of Jesus rising from His mediatorial throne and going to the holiest as Bridegroom to receive His kingdom. They were all deeply interested in the view. They all said it was entirely new to them. The Lord worked in mighty power setting the truth home to their hearts. Sister Durben [Dearborn?] knew what the power of the Lord was, for she had felt it many times; and a short time after I fell she was struck down and fell to the floor, crying to God to have mercy on her. When I came out of vision, my ears were saluted with Sister Durben's [Dearborn's] singing and shouting with a loud voice. Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Previous to this I had no light on the coming of the Bridegroom, but had expected Him to this earth to deliver His people on the tenth day of the seventh month. I did not hear a lecture or a word in any way relating to the Bridegroom's going to the holiest. “1LtMs, Lt 3, 1847, par. 7​

So in 1847 she reports an event in the past where this idea of an open door in the most holy place and a shut door in the holy place was promoted as a result of a direct vision from God.

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"I saw that in 1844 God had opened a door and no man could shut it, and shut a door and no man could open it. Those who rejected the light which was brought to the world by the message of the second angel went into darkness, and how great was that darkness. {1SM 74.3}​

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" I never have stated or written that the world was doomed or damned. I never have under any circumstances used this language to any one, however sinful. I have ever had messages of reproof for those who used these harsh expressions.--Letter 2, 1874. {1SM 74.4} ​

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1LtMs, Lt 5, 1849



Hastings, Brother and Sister

Milton, Massachusetts

April 21, 1849

Portions of this letter are published in 1MR 390; 5MR 93-94, 200. See also Annotations.

“I saw the commandments of God and shut door could not be separated. I saw [that] the time for the commandments of God to shine out to His people was when the door was opened in the inner apartment of the heavenly sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door in the outer apartment and opened the door in the inner apartment and passed into the Most Holy Place, and the faith of Israel now reaches within the second veil where Jesus now stands by the ark. I saw that Jesus had shut the door in the Holy Place and no man can open it, and that He had opened the door in the Most Holy Place and no man can shut it; and that since Jesus had opened the door in the Most Holy Place the commandments have been shining out and God has been testing His people on the holy Sabbath… 1LtMs, Lt 5, 1849, par. 8​

do you see the obscurification go on he is trying to make things more confusing. The issue is not weather the are open doors or shut doors in SDA theology. The issue is Did EGW believe the salvation for all non -millerites was lost. only Miller's followers could be saved. The answer is yes. That is why she was against the going to Jerusalem it would distract from the work of evangelising the other Miller believers.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm sad to hear these things

There’s always two sides to a story. The people he claims did this are not here to defend themselves.

I have never heard or experienced any of the accusations being made. I have family members who are SDA and some do not believe in EGW and no issue within the church, even though it is one of the fundamental beliefs, as long as one is respectful. Sometimes, it’s not necessarily the belief but the attitude. Sometimes when someone claims there are multiple people who are the issue, sadly they never look within themselves.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

There’s always two sides to a story. The people he claims did this are not here to defend themselves.

I have never heard or experienced any of the accusations being made. I have family members who are SDA and some do not believe in EGW and never has there been an issue within the church As long as one is respectful. Sometimes, it’s not necessarily the belief but the attitude. Sometimes when people claim there are multiple people who are the issue, they never look within themselves.

you left the church as an apostate and have just recently come back, this according to you. that is why you have never experianced these things. you don't read EGW, and you don't know what you are talking about. you are defending the SDA history out of duty. you think this is what you are suppose to do. That is why you don't have anything to offer. you don't know SDA theology, you don't know SDA history, you don't Read Ellen White. so why are you here. you are trying to put a pretty face on the ugly part of Adventism.