SDA Pizza/Resturant business in the works needs input

[jmowry240]

Hello all, I have been the pizza business for about 10 years now. I have been purchasing equipment for the last three of it. I will be close to a major SDA college and want to serve the students and the high SDA population in the area. My concerns are pizza toppings and the sabbath. First with the toppings, I plan on having many veggie toppings that most don't offer. However, would turkey and beef be acceptable with the majority of the sda crowd. I have all-beef Pepperoni's,Turkey Pepperoni and Veggie-Pepperoni's to replace the usual pork pepperoni's. The sasauge can be a beef/chicken topping as well.Futhermore, there will be no pork sold out of my store for both health and obvious religious reasons. Any suggestions on that? Secondly, the Sabbath. I would like to know what you think about my hours. I hear some people take a sunset to sunset sabbath and some take a 12 to 12 Sabbath. If I am open Sunday morning to Friday night, would that be looked down upon or held against my business being an SDA owned business. I appeciate in advance all reader input on this subject. Oh, almost forgot. This will be part of a highly successfull pizza change in out metro area with great name recognition.Thanks again and God Bless, Jason

 

[Cliff2]

Hello all, I have been the pizza business for about 10 years now. I have been purchasing equipment for the last three of it. I will be close to a major SDA college and want to serve the students and the high SDA population in the area. My concerns are pizza toppings and the sabbath. First with the toppings, I plan on having many veggie toppings that most don't offer. However, would turkey and beef be acceptable with the majority of the sda crowd. I have all-beef Pepperoni's,Turkey Pepperoni and Veggie-Pepperoni's to replace the usual pork pepperoni's. The sasauge can be a beef/chicken topping as well.Futhermore, there will be no pork sold out of my store for both health and obvious religious reasons. Any suggestions on that? Secondly, the Sabbath. I would like to know what you think about my hours. I hear some people take a sunset to sunset sabbath and some take a 12 to 12 Sabbath. If I am open Sunday morning to Friday night, would that be looked down upon or held against my business being an SDA owned business. I appeciate in advance all reader input on this subject. Oh, almost forgot. This will be part of a highly successfull pizza change in out metro area with great name recognition.Thanks again and God Bless, Jason

I take it by your icon that you are SDA.

As far as I know there are no SDA's that follow a 12 to 12 Sabbath. It is all sunset to sunset.

As long as your meats are clean then you are at liberty to use them.

That does not mean I would buy them if I was near by.

It does mean you can sell them.

Keep us informed about how you go.

 

[Sophia7]

I think that most Adventists wouldn't have a problem with your selling meat--especially clean meat--but they probably would have a problem with your store being open after sunset on Friday.

Historically, except for the first few years of the Adventist Church's existence, Adventists have followed the sunset-to-sunset reckoning of Sabbath hours, rather than going by a set time. (The controversy at the beginning was not over midnight to midnight but mainly over 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., with some people also favoring sunrise to sunrise.) Since about 1855, though, the Adventist Church officially has endorsed observance of the Sabbath from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday. I have never heard of any Adventists who keep the Sabbath from 12 to 12 although I suppose there might be a few out there who practice that; however, it goes against the church's official position.

The only areas where Adventists might not observe the Sabbath from sunset to sunset are places where the sun doesn't rise or set completely during the winter or summer (like Alaska and other places near the Arctic Circle). Even in those circumstances, the General Conference has offered guidelines for determining when Sabbath begins, and they are usually still based on some type of sunset or evening or twilight calculation.

I think it's great that you want to offer more vegetarian options than most pizza places do. That would definitely be a good way to attract Adventist customers. At the same time, if you are promoting your business as an Adventist-owned and operated restaurant, I believe that going against the Adventist fundamental belief statement about the Sabbath (which does specify sunset to sunset) would alienate many Adventists.

 

[Windmill]

Hello all, I have been the pizza business for about 10 years now. I have been purchasing equipment for the last three of it. I will be close to a major SDA college and want to serve the students and the high SDA population in the area. My concerns are pizza toppings and the sabbath. First with the toppings, I plan on having many veggie toppings that most don't offer. However, would turkey and beef be acceptable with the majority of the sda crowd. I have all-beef Pepperoni's,Turkey Pepperoni and Veggie-Pepperoni's to replace the usual pork pepperoni's. The sasauge can be a beef/chicken topping as well.Futhermore, there will be no pork sold out of my store for both health and obvious religious reasons. Any suggestions on that? Secondly, the Sabbath. I would like to know what you think about my hours. I hear some people take a sunset to sunset sabbath and some take a 12 to 12 Sabbath. If I am open Sunday morning to Friday night, would that be looked down upon or held against my business being an SDA owned business. I appeciate in advance all reader input on this subject. Oh, almost forgot. This will be part of a highly successfull pizza change in out metro area with great name recognition.Thanks again and God Bless, Jason

Meats perfectly fine. I still eat meat, though no where near as much as I used to.

Uhm, 12 to 12 isn't biblical, and an invention of the papal church, actually, so I'd stick with sunset to sunset

My favourite pizza topping is cheese... even thugh its terrible for you :o

 

[tall73]

You might want to investigate pesto, artichokes, etc that are often used on vegetarian, cheeseless pizzas, and taste quite good.

 

[Windmill]

capsicum is nice and sundried tomatos

 

[Sophia7]

What's capsicum? I've never heard of it.

 

[Cliff2]

What's capsicum? I've never heard of it.

You folk may call them peppers.

Often they are fist size and can be red, green and some are yellow.

 

[Sophia7]

You folk may call them peppers.

Often they are fist size and can be red, green and some are yellow.

Thanks. I guess we would call them sweet peppers or bell peppers where we live; we get green, red, yellow, and sometimes orange varieties.

It's interesting how different English-speaking countries have so many different words for the same things. Even in the United States, we have many regional vocabulary differences.

On the subject of vegetarian pizza toppings, we had some cheeseless pizzas recently that were actually very good. They had red peppers, onions, mushrooms, and artichoke hearts.

 

[smooze]

ewwww moldy cheese and popcorn please

 

[jabechler]

certainly you can run your business anyway you feel inclined but as to the Sabbath hours you can and will need to answer to God and His word clearly says Sabbath is sundown friday to sundown saturday. Please read Jeremiah 17:20-27

 

[ttreg]

The only areas where Adventists might not observe the Sabbath from sunset to sunset are places where the sun doesn't rise or set completely during the winter or summer (like Alaska and other places near the Arctic Circle). Even in those circumstances, the General Conference has offered guidelines for determining when Sabbath begins, and they are usually still based on some type of sunset or evening or twilight calculation.

That sounds interesting.Could you give me a link to a page that would say how they would know when the Sabbath has come or whatever lol. Just seems interesting to me.

 

[cenimo]

Pizza pure and udefiled is this, the crust, sauce, cheese, and pepperoni.
Giueseppi 1:27

 

[Sophia7]

That sounds interesting.Could you give me a link to a page that would say how they would know when the Sabbath has come or whatever lol. Just seems interesting to me.

Here is a link to a book by Samuele Bacchiocchi, an Adventist scholar, who discusses this subject in chapter 6:
http://english.sdaglobal.org/dnl/bacchi/books/cruxifix.pdf

It's rather lengthy but interesting. He describes the biblical reasoning that led Adventists in their early history to observe the Sabbath from sunset to sunset and how the church recommends reckoning the beginning of the Sabbath in Arctic regions. The General Conference has actually offered several possible guidelines for when Sabbath should begin in these areas, and there is apparently no unanimous agreement among Adventists. Some might disagree with Bacchiocchi's conclusions, but I think that what he said makes sense.

 

[silkcity]

tofu pizza anyone? .................lol.................jk

 

[HoneyDew]

tofu pizza anyone? .................lol.................jk

Yuck ...
Although, now that I think about it, if well-marinated it might be a good idea. It would depend on where in the country the OP is setting up business. SoCal or NYC would not have a problem selling tofu pizza, I don't think.
As for the hours of operation: that is a quandry. While many of us may admit (or we may not admit) to eating at a restaurant on Sabbaths, we definitely would draw the line at opening our restaurant on Sabbath hours. Many restaurants close on Mondays, so I really don't see a big deal with your reopening Saturday post-sunset. Those are just your specific hours.
In NY there are many stores owned by Jews that remain open on Saturdays -- apparently with the help of "partners" who control profits and whatever else for those hours. It works for them, I suppose.

... Reminds me of a time I was watching a cooking show years back and the jewish chef was making spare ribs. He actually tasted the meat to check for flavor and said that chewing was allowed, but not swallowing. I thought it was amusing, but I digress.

 

[Babymine]

I went to an SDA college that was directly across the street from a pizza shop. They offered veggie sausage, prosage, and eggplant on their pizza as a few vegetarian options. It sounds strange but eggplant on pizza is quite divine.
How about closing on Friday Sunset, and opening after Sunset on Sabbath, if you are beside a college, many customers may come in after sunset. College students are always looking for somewhere to go on Sabbath evenings.

 

[JESUSLUVA1]

who pict pepperoni itz a sda section

 

[Eve4000]

some people still do eat pepperoni, even though I don't understand that.

Even though my favorite is cheese, I think you should try seasoning some beef and putting it on pizza, but i have never tried it before. And spicy pizza is good, adding the red pepper. But u know what's really good? Broccoli pizza. Really! Try it! Oh, and won't tofu pizza be a bit weird? Maybe if seasoned well. And what about vegans, because i think vegan chese on pizza is kind of weird. i dunno, so many thoughts are running through my mind.

But I would say not to work on the Sabbath, because after a while it gets to feeling kind of weird in your conscience. even though it'll be a big pizza store in the metro area [good place], i think you should close an hour to thiry minutes before sunset so you can clean up and leave in time for Sababth. I'll leave you to figure out Saturday night, but i would say anytime after sunset. How would that go on the "Open hours" sign though?

 

[drgibson]

There is Turkey Peperoni, although it is as tuff as shoe leather.