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SDA Pizza/Resturant business in the works needs input

what is your favoite pizza topping?

  • Cheese

  • Spinach

  • Black/Green Olives

  • Mushrooms

  • Pepperoni's

  • Chicken

  • Sasauge

  • Tomatoes

  • other

  • Manna :-) (1st thing I wanna try in heaven)


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If anyone knows of a fellow SDA that owns or runs a food establishment please let ask their opinions. The pepperoni that I can offer is either beef or turkey. Turkey is a bit more dry or leather-like as one reader put it. I will close one hour before sunset and an hour an a half for deliveries. I will open at sunset Saturday evening. You wouldn't believe the number of people that say it won't work. I really enjoy serving people and equally enjoy the pizza business. However, I won't let it get between my relationship with God. Keep up the topping ideas and thanks again your your words or advice and encouragement. Jason
 
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jmowry240 said:
If anyone knows of a fellow SDA that owns or runs a food establishment please let ask their opinions. The pepperoni that I can offer is either beef or turkey. Turkey is a bit more dry or leather-like as one reader put it. I will close one hour before sunset and an hour an a half for deliveries. I will open at sunset Saturday evening. You wouldn't believe the number of people that say it won't work. I really enjoy serving people and equally enjoy the pizza business. However, I won't let it get between my relationship with God. Keep up the topping ideas and thanks again your your words or advice and encouragement. Jason

I think it can work, and God will bless you if you honor Him above all. :)
 
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No, meat is not fine, clean or dirty makes no difference. if you are going to carry the SDA intials and name your business will have to follow all of the SDA beliefs.

Cheese, this is not as bad as meat, but it does come from an animal, so this shouldn't be sold either,
Spinach, this too is ok
Black/Green Olives, this is ok
Mushrooms, this is ok
Pepperoni's obviously has to go
Chicken, has to go
Sasauge, must go
Tomatoes, this is also ok
 
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No, meat is not fine, clean or dirty makes no difference. if you are going to carry the SDA intials and name your business will have to follow all of the SDA beliefs.

Cheese, this is not as bad as meat, but it does come from an animal, so this shouldn't be sold either,
Spinach, this too is ok
Black/Green Olives, this is ok
Mushrooms, this is ok
Pepperoni's obviously has to go
Chicken, has to go
Sasauge, must go
Tomatoes, this is also ok

The official Adventist beliefs don't prohibit meat or cheese--just "the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures" (see #22). Most of the Adventists that I know eat meat, and almost all eat cheese. My husband and I are just about the only vegetarians in our three churches. The reality is that in an area near an Adventist college, not that many Adventists are going to condemn an Adventist-owned restaurant for serving meat and cheese.
 
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No, meat is not fine, clean or dirty makes no difference. if you are going to carry the SDA intials and name your business will have to follow all of the SDA beliefs.

Cheese, this is not as bad as meat, but it does come from an animal, so this shouldn't be sold either,
Spinach, this too is ok
Black/Green Olives, this is ok
Mushrooms, this is ok
Pepperoni's obviously has to go
Chicken, has to go
Sasauge, must go
Tomatoes, this is also ok

So what are people in third world countries supposed to do when they can't afford to eat vegetables, because they are scarce and therefore expensive?

Are they to be considered heretics to the SDA faith because they eat meat?
 
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So what are people in third world countries supposed to do when they can't afford to eat vegetables, because they are scarce and therefore expensive?

I suppose for those 40 days Noah and his family ate the animals ey?

This is where I disagree with the SDA Belief. I just don't see how God says it is ok to kill something he created , a living and breathing creature, just to satisfy our hunger.
 
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This is where I disagree with the SDA Belief. I just don't see how God says it is ok to kill something he created , a living and breathing creature, just to satisfy our hunger.

God allowed it all throughout the Bible (post-Flood) in numerous places.

I think we should strongly advise against it, but not view meat-eating as a sin.
 
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you can do what little debbie snack cakes, a adventist owned family comapnay does close down prodcution a hour before sunset. and reopen a hour afterwards.

though I am not a adventist..but keep the clean unclean principle..If I am not mistaken there is something calle d kosher pizza, but never had it..
 
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God allowed it all throughout the Bible (post-Flood) in numerous places.

I think we should strongly advise against it, but not view meat-eating as a sin.

Alright Sunrunner show me them

God clearly told Noah and his family that they could eat meat after the flood.
GE 9:1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

GE 9:4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

GE 9:6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.
Also, many of the OT sacrificial animals were eaten (but not the blood or the fat). See Leviticus for numerous texts that mention the eating of sacrifices.

In addition, Jesus celebrated the Passover with His disciples (see Matt. 26, Mark 14, Luke 22, John 13)--a feast which involved eating a sacrificed lamb:
EX 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire--head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.
Moreover, Jesus fed the five thousand with five loaves and two fish:
MK 6:39 Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass. 40 So they sat down in groups of hundreds and fifties. 41 Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. 42 They all ate and were satisfied, 43 and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces of bread and fish. 44 The number of the men who had eaten was five thousand.
In yet another instance, Jesus cooked fish for breakfast for His disciples after He was resurrected:
JN 21:7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, "It is the Lord," he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water. 8 The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards. 9 When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

JN 21:10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you have just caught."

JN 21:11 Simon Peter climbed aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.
How many examples does it take to show that the Bible does not forbid meat-eating? Jesus Himself celebrated the feasts, which included meat, and gave people meat to eat at other times.

What the Bible has always forbidden, even in the NT and even for Gentile Christians, is eating blood:
AC 15:19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
The reason that I am a vegetarian is not that there is a biblical command to do so; the Bible doesn't say that. I am a vegetarian because in my opinion, meat today is no longer safe to eat. It was different in Bible times--less polluted and diseased, free of genetic modification, growth hormones, antibiotics, etc. I am a vegetarian due to my personal convictions about my health. For anyone who does eat meat, I would suggest that eating organic, kosher, blood-free, non-GMO meat would be in line with biblical principles.

There is no biblical justification to condemn meat-eating as a sin, nor is there any PETA-like animal-rights prohibition against killing animals for food in the Bible. Jesus wasn't a vegetarian.
 
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I know fish is ok, from thf the boys lunch all he had was fish and bread, Jesus multiplied it so, yeah, Cows, Pigs, cats, Dogs, Horses, etc.?

Fish is terrible to eat anymore; it's one of the worst-polluted animals you could eat. It was different in Jesus' time. As the examples in my previous post show, God authorized people to eat more than just fish. God gave Noah everything for food: "everything that lives and moves" (Gen. 9:3). What that means is debated because Genesis 9 doesn't say anything about clean or unclean, but it specifically forbids the eating of blood. The sacrifices that were eaten included many animals as well. I found another example in Leviticus of instructions regarding meat-eating:
LEV 7:19 " `Meat that touches anything ceremonially unclean must not be eaten; it must be burned up. As for other meat, anyone ceremonially clean may eat it. 20 But if anyone who is unclean eats any meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD, that person must be cut off from his people. 21 If anyone touches something unclean--whether human uncleanness or an unclean animal or any unclean, detestable thing--and then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD, that person must be cut off from his people.' "

LEV 7:22 The LORD said to Moses, 23 "Say to the Israelites: `Do not eat any of the fat of cattle, sheep or goats. 24 The fat of an animal found dead or torn by wild animals may be used for any other purpose, but you must not eat it. 25 Anyone who eats the fat of an animal from which an offering by fire may be made to the LORD must be cut off from his people. 26 And wherever you live, you must not eat the blood of any bird or animal. 27 If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off from his people.' "

The Bible is clear that God allowed people to eat cows, sheep, lambs, goats, some kinds of birds and fish, etc. As far as the animals that you mentioned, most people don't think of cats, dogs, and horses as food (although I know that there are countries where some people eat those things).
 
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If anyone knows of a fellow SDA that owns or runs a food establishment please let ask their opinions. The pepperoni that I can offer is either beef or turkey. Turkey is a bit more dry or leather-like as one reader put it. I will close one hour before sunset and an hour an a half for deliveries. I will open at sunset Saturday evening. You wouldn't believe the number of people that say it won't work. I really enjoy serving people and equally enjoy the pizza business. However, I won't let it get between my relationship with God. Keep up the topping ideas and thanks again your your words or advice and encouragement. Jason
my all time favorite Pizza is Cheese and after it's cooked add fresh tomatoe slices and avocado slices (not cooked) mmmmmmm love it:clap:
 
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The reason that I am a vegetarian is not that there is a biblical command to do so; the Bible doesn't say that. I am a vegetarian because in my opinion, meat today is no longer safe to eat. It was different in Bible times--less polluted and diseased, free of genetic modification, growth hormones, antibiotics, etc. I am a vegetarian due to my personal convictions about my health. For anyone who does eat meat, I would suggest that eating organic, kosher, blood-free, non-GMO meat would be in line with biblical principles.


There is no biblical justification to condemn meat-eating as a sin, nor is there any PETA-like animal-rights prohibition against killing animals for food in the Bible. Jesus wasn't a vegetarian.

One lady from our church showed me to use tofu and lemon to immitate cheese. But it's kind of hard to get it right. I was never crazy about cheese. For me cheese is fermented/corrupt milk. And diary products are growth food, unfit for adult consumption.

I'd say about 1/5/-1/4 of the members from my church are vegetarians. But almost all of them eat cream and cheese.

I don't eat meat for health reason. While the bible does not condemn meat-eating, it calls us to honour our body.

If we know how the meat products are generally handled, how much diseases they carry, we shouldn't eat them.

If not, then it become an issue of temperance. Do we love eating flesh that much, eventhough we know it's not healthy, we can not stop eating it? Then our apetite can become an idol.

So I do it not because Ellen White said so. She did warn us. I do it because I felt the conviction that we need to prepare our bodies for the soon coming of plagues.
 
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One lady from our church showed me to use tofu and lemon to immitate cheese. But it's kind of hard to get it right. I was never crazy about cheese. For me cheese is fermented/corrupt milk. And diary products are growth food, unfit for adult consumption.

I'd say about 1/5/-1/4 of the members from my church are vegetarians. But almost all of them eat cream and cheese.

I don't eat meat for health reason. While the bible does not condemn meat-eating, it calls us to honour our body.

If we know how the meat products are generally handled, how much diseases they carry, we shouldn't eat them.

If not, then it become an issue of temperance. Do we love eating flesh that much, eventhough we know it's not healthy, we can not stop eating it? Then our apetite can become an idol.

So I do it not because Ellen White said so. She did warn us. I do it because I felt the conviction that we need to prepare our bodies for the soon coming of plagues.

I've tried lots of fake-cheese recipes, but I don't like them very much. Most of them use nutritional yeast flakes, which I am not fond of, and I can't eat a lot of yeast anyway. Meat was never hard for me to give up. Milk wasn't either; I quit using it when I was pregnant with our first child because it made me sick. Cheese is harder. We don't eat much cheese anymore, though, except for occasionally at potlucks or people's houses. My husband and I, too, feel personally convicted about these things in order to keep our bodies and our kids' bodies as healthy as possible.
 
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