Scripture as my measure

[ivebeenshown]

Ok, so is everyone in agreeance that doctrine must not conflict with Scripture? And if so can we let this thread die?

 

[brinny]

LOL i'm settled with it

 

[sunlover1]

Why you dissin on my thread?!
(...let this thread die)

 

[sunlover1]

Scripture is the bottom line, the authority on all things. It is the Word of God, and God moves through it to win hearts and minds and to complete what He has sent it to do, for it never returns to Him void. And it was the reference Jesus Himself referred to when confronted by satan.

The Word of God.....it is God-breathed.

WORD!


BTW. i notice you capitalize Word of God as well ..
I do the same and have been called on it but because it refers to
GOD's Words ..I do capitalize both the Word of God referring to
Scripture as well as Jesus the Word.
Amen!

 

[sunlover1]

Why you dissin on my thread?!
(...let this thread die)

Didja forget which thread you were on IBS?
Maybe you thought it was one of your own?

 

[ivebeenshown]

Didja forget which thread you were on IBS?
Maybe you thought it was one of your own?

I wish that one of mine would die too, because I already resolved/finished the OP. Now it's a zombie.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok, so is everyone in agreeance that doctrine must not conflict with Scripture? And if so can we let this thread die?

Not as long as I am around

 

[ivebeenshown]

Not as long as I am around

I know...

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Ok, so is everyone in agreeance that doctrine must not conflict with Scripture? And if so can we let this thread die?

The RCC does not agree; it MIGHT say that in the opinion of itself exclusively, none of the teachings of itself CONFLICT with Scripture and/or that all the teachings of itself are IMPLIED in Scripture via invisible words inserted there by itself as interpreted by itself, but that's a LONG - L.O.N.G. - way away from what you state.

As one of my Catholic teachers so pointedly put it: "OF COURSE the Bible agrees with the [RC] Church, it would be wrong otherwise."





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[Ortho_Cat]

Didja forget which thread you were on IBS?
Maybe you thought it was one of your own?

Lol, u called him "IBS"....

Irritable Bowel Syndrome

 

[Thekla]

Maybe I can ask: how does one live the Scriptures in Sola Sciptura ?

Are the demonstrated teachings as important as the spoken teachings ?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Why do you think that the Council of Nicea is MORE inspired directly by God, MORE inerrant, MORE reliable, MORE ecumenically embraced by all parties (virtually all 50,000 denominations) and MORE historically (say to 1400 BC) than is Scripture?




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I think it is a clear, reliable exposition of the basic doctrines found in scripture, yes. Especially since all organized Christians bodies at that time professed it, not something u can say about scripture. See with the creed, u can instantly rule out the JW's because they don't profess the Trinity, but with scripture as rule, JW's can profess the same, yet still deny the Trinity.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Maybe I can ask: how does one live the Scriptures in Sola Sciptura ?

I guess the same way that one LIVES the Rule of Law or the Rule of Laborative evidence in Physics.

Me thinks you are TRYING to take the thread WAY off topic but to make the issue WAY more than it is? It's about ACCOUNTABILITY for doctrines and the teaching of such, which includes norming and thus an embraced norma normans (rule).




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Are the demonstrated teachings as important as the spoken teachings ?[/quote]

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

I think it is a clear, reliable exposition of the basic doctrines found in scripture, yes.

I would entirely agree. However, that makes it UNDER Scripture - it would make at (at most) "norma normata" (that which HAS BEEN normed by the norm), it would not be a case that Scripture is correct because it agrees with the Nicene Creed but the other way around. A nice application of Sola Scriptura, btw.





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[Thekla]

I guess the same way that one LIVES the Rule of Law or the Rule of Laborative evidence in Physics.

Me thinks you are TRYING to take the thread WAY off topic but to make the issue WAY more than it is? It's about ACCOUNTABILITY for doctrines and the teaching of such, which includes norming and thus an embraced norma normans (rule).




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Are the demonstrated teachings as important as the spoken teachings ?

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But I don't think laboratory Physics has the same spiritual significance as the Holy Scriptures (and it takes a great deal of effort, it would seem, to defy the laws of Physics in ones living , so I'm not sure how your example applies.

Likewise, laws or rules are typically not written like Scripture - they are described and clarified but not demonstrated. So I don't see how this quite answers my question

But thank-you for considering !

 

[Ortho_Cat]

I would entirely agree. However, that makes it UNDER Scripture - it would make at (at most) "norma normata" (that which HAS BEEN normed by the norm), it would not be a case that Scripture is correct because it agrees with the Nicene Creed but the other way around. A nice application of Sola Scriptura, btw.

hmm not sure about all this norma norma stuff, getting kind of confusing If anything, it sounds like it's norming the norm? I duno...

anyways, yes the creed is a clear and reliable exposition of scripture and apostolic teaching. at least it's a starting point to discern (o)rthodox Christians from non-(o)'s...

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by Rick Otto That is a gross over-simplification resulting in an egregious misrepresentation of actual fact.Do you get that a lot?

You saying so don't make it so. Do you get that a lot?

I didn't just say so. I said why it is so. Do you always ignore reason?Originally Posted by Rick Otto All you needed to do to be correct is say Arius MIS-used scripture only.

According to whom?

According to anybody who can grasp reality.

And who died and made YOU Pope?

Why do I have to be Pope? Because I'm right & you can't defend your error?

LOL

I've heard that before.
Originally Posted by Rick Otto Do you know who St John is & what day he traditionaly celebrated Easter on,

Yes- and so do you, thanks to the Church. He didn't celebrate "Easter." He kept the Passover.

Change it how ever you want, it was only apostolic tradition.

He did so and still communed with those who did not.

Whom did not celebrate on Nisan 14 that St. John communed with & how do you know?

The Quartodecimans came from Eastern Orthodox lands. No small surprise, we tend to be more Semitically oriented than you Western Christians, excepting of course the modern pretenders to the More Jewish Than Thou throne.

Did the tradition come from an apostle or "the Eastern Orthodox lands"?

...or what deceased Saints he prayed to, or what his favorite icon was. Is there an icon dedicated to "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"?

You really loaded up on this one.
Troubles at home Rick? You seem a little crabbier than your normal surly.

Sorry your at such a loss to deal with these issues that you turn to my personal life.
If you must know, I am overdue to have my aura buffed.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

...or what deceased Saints he prayed to, or what his favorite icon was. Is there an icon dedicated to "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"?

I'll bet it was St. Luke's. From what I hear, he was quite the iconographer! Wait...there he is now! Let's step inside and see what he is up to...

 

[laconicstudent]

Originally Posted by laconicstudent Allah is just an Arabic word for "God", Sunlover. What are you talking about? Christians have been praying to "Allah" in the Divine Liturgy for thousands of years.
Then you could feel completely comfortable with praying to "God" alongside Mormons.
Mighty wide of ya.

What are you talking about? You need to stay on topic, we were defining an Arabic word for some people who didn't know what it means. What does this have to do with praying with Mormons? (which I don't think is ethical)

 

[sunlover1]

Lol, u called him "IBS"....

Irritable Bowel Syndrome

It's my pet name for him.
He's cool with it lol.