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The idea that the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through appointed men is a tradition of men - specifically, the Church around the time of Nicea.
Scripture is from the Church as the Body of Christ.
Couple of problems.
1) The definition of "from the Father" changed a few hundred years later to "Father and the Son". And then exploded in 1054.
2) The definition of Trinity has been changed also (can't develop that yet in clear terms).
3) Nicea excommunicated and declared heretical the rule of faith as regards the days/dates of the death, burial, resurrection of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ that the church once observed. The church being at earlier times Jesus, Peter, Paul, Mary, and the others.
So, no, Nicea doesn't "work" for at least 1/2 the church (RC) or the saints who came before Nicea.
PS. The idea of infallible ECs is as accurate a concept as infallible Pope
PPS. As to GT using Nicea, I'd guess it's pretty loose since RCers are still allowed to post, but maybe it was changed. Not sure.
Seeing as the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through appointed men, I believe that it should be the measuring stick. It's the only thing I know to be true. It is from God. So, if someone claiming that they are giving a revelation from God, then I am going to measure it by the one thing I know that is from God and is true.
Besides, if what man are claiming to be from God, then they should have no problem of someone measuring their statements from what we know of to be from God.
Me too... I really do though lol.I think it is also worth mentioning that the 1st council creed is used as a 'rule' here in the GT forums, I wonder why they didn't just say 'those who use Christian scriptures" intead...
thanks for posting daydreamer!Seeing as the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through appointed men, I believe that it should be the measuring stick. It's the only thing I know to be true. It is from God. So, if someone claiming that they are giving a revelation from God, then I am going to measure it by the one thing I know that is from God and is true.
Besides, if what man are claiming to be from God, then they should have no problem of someone measuring their statements from what we know of to be from God.
So you do or don't feel that checking Scripture to makeThe idea that the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through appointed men is a tradition of men - specifically, the Church around the time of Nicea.
Scripture is from the Church as the Body of Christ.
a very interesting book, to say the least
Since we are only supposed to use Scripture, and no tradition, I wouldn't know which books to use. I better just use them all. I hear God also talked to this guy named Muhammad.
Well, I've always been a fan of the book of mormon myself. Makes for great bedtime stories!
Who says you are "only supposed to use Scripture"?Since we are only supposed to use Scripture, and no tradition, I wouldn't know which books to use. I better just use them all. I hear God also talked to this guy named Muhammad.
Who says you are "only supposed to use Scripture"?
I said that was how I roll.
You do what you want.
And if you can't tell the difference between Jehovah and "allah"
then reading material is the least of your worries.
Seriously.
Allah is just an Arabic word for "God", Sunlover. What are you talking about? Christians have been praying to "Allah" in the Divine Liturgy for thousands of years.
Well let me rephrase that. I was referring to the creed established at this council, which was refined at the 2nd council. Of course, the RC's added the filioque later, but that is of minor difference compared to differing canon's of scripture. So as I said, all organized christian bodies agreed on these councils as they were, so why not start from there and move outwards? Also, by determing the people who were at the council we can see how they interpreted the words therein to gain the proper context.
Really? EO and RC pray to Allah?
So why not use the 1st council of Nicea as a starting point for your rule? .
Not to mention that Jehovah is nowhere to be found in either Greek nor Hebrew manuscripts. YHWH yes, Jehovah no.Allah is just an Arabic word for "God", Sunlover. What are you talking about? Christians have been praying to "Allah" in the Divine Liturgy for thousands of years.
Are you aware that Arius and his group used SCRIPTURE ONLY to make their argument?Why do you think that the Council of Nicea is MORE inspired directly by God, MORE inerrant, MORE reliable, MORE ecumenically embraced by all parties (virtually all 50,000 denominations) and MORE historically (say to 1400 BC) than is Scripture?
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If it wasn't for the "priestly class," we wouldn't be led astray in this manner.YouTube - The Trisagion (Thrice-Holy) Hymn - Palm Sunday 2010
Yes, they belt out "Allah" at about 0:35-0:37. So, yeah, Arabic speaking Christians pray to God. What of it?
Wrong. The majority of Protestants embrace much if not all of the canon of the first 4 councilsMinor difference? So, you don't have a problem with groups changing doctrine, but have a problem with the unchanging words of scripture?
Besides, RC doesn't view ECs like EOs do. RC has the Pope, EO has the EC. P has scripture.
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