Scriptural evidence/support for Real Presence

[Terri]

Terri,

I don't think he was funnin'. At first I thought he was, but I have since discovered he most likely wasn't.

Oh, well . . . . .

I'm so sorry racer. I like to tease, so I just think everyone is teasing.

 

[Lotar]

Terri,

I don't think he was funnin'. At first I thought he was, but I have since discovered he most likely wasn't.

Oh, well . . . . .

I was. I was joking around in the other forum, I wasn't specifically talking about you We all love ya.

 

[JVAC]

LOL, boy has this thread gone under some funky mutations .

 

[TwinCrier]

LOL, boy has this thread gone under some funky mutations .

Perhaps it's evolving...

 

[Phoebe]

My Biblical basis is Jesus said "this is my body", and "this is my blood." He didn't announce that a parable was coming up.

Out of faith ,I will take my Lord's word for it.

 

[InnerPhyre]

He also said His flesh is true food and His blood is true drink. Seems pretty cut and dry.

 

[raptor13]

Just wanted to point out a few more things:

"Jesus said, ‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" (John 6:51–52).

Note that the Jews took him literally, but they could not believe it. Jesus did not correct them saying, "No...I didnt mean it literally. It's not really my body and blood."

Instead this is what he said:

Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).

Note the "Truly, truly". In other words, "this is truth, not metaphor".

Also, in Corinthians, Paul writes, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "

Frankly, I really don't understand why people who take the entire Bible literally, from Genesis to Revelations, refuse to believe Jesus' own words "This is My Body... This is My Blood" to be literal.

 

[racer]

I'm so sorry racer. I like to tease, so I just think everyone is teasing.

Terri,

No sweat, I knew you were teasing. It looks like paranoia is taking me over . . . . . :o

 

[racer]

I was. I was joking around in the other forum, I wasn't specifically talking about you We all love ya.

Oh . . . good . . . . I can breath better now. Like I told Terri, looks like I'm getting paranoid.

Just ignore me . . . .

 

[racer]

For the rest of you, I'll try to get to the serious replies tomorrow.

God Bless!!

 

[ej]

Hope you don't mind my contribution... I had this discussion with a Baptist friend recently. We discussed it for a bit, and then agreed to.... agree. Kind of.

When he asked me whether I took Jesus' body, or a piece of bread,
I asked him whether he prays at night to God, or to a bedsheet.

Okay, so it's a lame analogy, but it helped us understand each other a little

 

[Terri]

Terri,

No sweat, I knew you were teasing. It looks like paranoia is taking me over . . . . . :o

Well, just because they haven't gotten you yet doesn't mean they are not out to get you!

On the serious question I agree with TwinCrier. Of course this is scriptural support for the belief in the not real presence.

It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: THE WORDS I SPEAK ARE SPIRIT, and they are life.
In verse 63, Jesus asked the disciples that murmured, "Doth this offend you? It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth (gives life); THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING: the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT, and they are life." He told them plainly that He was not talking literally. He said, "...the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT." He also told them here that the physical flesh profits nothing.

 

[Lotar]

Hope you don't mind my contribution... I had this discussion with a Baptist friend recently. We discussed it for a bit, and then agreed to.... agree. Kind of.

When he asked me whether I took Jesus' body, or a piece of bread,
I asked him whether he prays at night to God, or to a bedsheet.

Okay, so it's a lame analogy, but it helped us understand each other a little

I think that arguement works better for the Calvinist spiritual presence than real presence.

 

[ej]

I think that arguement works better for the Calvinist spiritual presence than real presence.

I think the two are closer than we would care to admit

/me runs away for fear of entering into debate with the lovely Lotar

 

[Lotar]

I think the two are closer than we would care to admit

* ej runs away for fear of entering into debate with the lovely Lotar

I agree, they are pretty close.
So I am lovely now, am I?

*wonders if he likes the idea that he strikes fear into the hearts of those who oppose him

 

[I can eat 50 eggs]

John 6:35-57
1 cor 11:27-30

Historical precident. Since zwingli was the first person to really dispute the real presence, 1500 years after Christ, I'll go with history.

 

[Metanoia02]

John 6:35-57
1 cor 11:27-30

Historical precident. Since zwingli was the first person to really dispute the real presence, 1500 years after Christ, I'll go with history.

My favorite quote from Martin Luther (and I'm paraphrasing):

I would rather drink blood with the Papists then to drink mere wine with the Zwinglians.

 

[BBAS 64]

My favorite quote from Martin Luther (and I'm paraphrasing):

I would rather drink blood with the Papists then to drink mere wine with the Zwinglians.

Why couldn't the Zwinglians just tell him it was blood, Luther might have believed them? Tell them what they need to hear!

BBAS

 

[BBAS 64]

John 6:35-57
1 cor 11:27-30

Historical precident. Since zwingli was the first person to really dispute the real presence, 1500 years after Christ, I'll go with history.

I have read only once the works of Chrysostom and Augustine on the Gospel of St. John and I am not so sure I agree with 50 eggs on the assertsion of the exergersis he holds to as being historical by any standard set fourth by these two men. IMHO.

I will of course read the works again as time allows.

Peace to u,

BBAS

 

[Metanoia02]

Why couldn't the Zwinglians just tell him it was blood, Luther might have believed them? Tell them what they need to hear!

BBAS

Luther and Zwingli weren't on what you call "speaking" terms at the time. Asa matter of fact a case could be made that Luther disliked Zwinglians more then Catholics.