Scriptural evidence/support for Real Presence

[ej]

I need to learn more about the Swiss reformation... slightly embarrassed that I didn't know that, Met

 

[Metanoia02]

I need to learn more about the Swiss reformation... slightly embarrassed that I didn't know that, Met

To avoid thread drift I may address this in OBOB.

 

[Terri]

John 6:35-57
1 cor 11:27-30

Historical precident. Since zwingli was the first person to really dispute the real presence, 1500 years after Christ, I'll go with history.

Since I do not believe that you have personally quized every person that existed during the first 1500 years of the church, I do not believe that your statement has any credibility.

Jesus was the first one to question it when He said the flesh counted for nothing.

 

[TwinCrier]

He also said His flesh is true food and His blood is true drink. Seems pretty cut and dry.

He also said He was the shepherd and we are the sheep, so start grazing.

 

[BBAS 64]

He also said He was the shepherd and we are the sheep, so start grazing.

Good Day, TC,

Hold on on sec please, He is a/an door?

BBAS

 

[TwinCrier]

No, no no, our heart is the door. Jesus is bread. Try to keep up.

 

[Metanoia02]

Jesus was the first one to question it when He said the flesh counted for nothing.

If His flesh counted for nothing, then the death of that very flesh also counted for nothing. I don't think you want to go there.

 

[TwinCrier]

It is by the shed blood of Christ we are saved, not His flesh.

 

[Metanoia02]

It is by the shed blood of Christ we are saved, not His flesh.

On what basis do you differentiate the two?

 

[BBAS 64]

Blank could be seen as a debate

BBAS

 

[ej]

It is by the shed blood of Christ we are saved, not His flesh.

I don't understand what point you're making

 

[BBAS 64]

No, no no, our heart is the door. Jesus is bread. Try to keep up.

Forgive me TC

Getting old and english some time is tricky.
When does IS mean IS and when doesn't it?

BBAS

 

[TwinCrier]

On what basis do you differentiate the two?

Are you saying you don't know the difference between blood and flesh? Or did you just want to know why I believe we are saved by the blood? If it's the latter, I use scripture alone:
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 John 1:7 and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[ej]

Are you saying you don't know the difference between blood and flesh? Or did you just want to know why I believe we are saved by the blood? If it's the latter, I use scripture alone:
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 John 1:7 and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

So what do you make of the bit where Jesus breaks the bread, gives it to His disciples, and says 'This is my body which will be given up for you' ?

 

[TwinCrier]

Just read the last half of the verse: this do in remembrance of me.

 

[ej]

Just read the last half of the verse: this do in remembrance of me.

I still don't get what you're trying to prove though.

Are you saying that communion wine is real blood, but that communion bread is merely in remembrance of Jesus giving himself up for us?

 

[Metanoia02]

Are you saying you don't know the difference between blood and flesh?

I know the difference between the two, but why do you differentiate the two when concerning the sacrifice of Christ? Didn't Christ have to die in the flesh to atone for our sins? Or could He have merely just spilled His blood without really dying?

Or did you just want to know why I believe we are saved by the blood? If it's the latter, I use scripture alone:
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 John 1:7 and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

I agree with you on this, but I do not consider His flesh and blood to be separate. In your symbolic understanding of the Lord's Supper do you not celebrate His broken Body (the bread) and His shed blood (the wine) to be of equal significance?

 

[eldermike]

Stop debating!

 

[TwinCrier]

I still don't get what you're trying to prove though.

Are you saying that communion wine is real blood, but that communion bread is merely in remembrance of Jesus giving himself up for us?

No, I am saying that communion is totally symbolic. Neither the wine nor the bread is Jesus.

 

[ej]

No, I am saying that communion is totally symbolic. Neither the wine nor the bread is Jesus.

Okay - thanks for contributing your personal interpretation