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Scientists on the Moon
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Subduction Zone
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No, I did not say that. I pointed out that it was an improper quote. Is that so hard for you to understand? Oh wait, my bad again, someone who cannot understand the simple idea of paraphrasing would have trouble with this.
Many creationists are amazingly dishonest. I know, you must be shocked. In fact people who disagree with each other are often dishonest, this behavior is not limited to creationists.
You quoted RickG improperly by not including a link, making it difficult for others to check your work.
When you challenged my paraphrase of Jesus I posted a quote before you posted your own since I knew that you would not honestly respond to a simple challenge.
So if you quote someone you need to do more than claim that they said something. A link of some sort to the post is needed. The quote may be accurate but it may be out of context too. For example the Bible says:
"there is no God". And that is a direct quote. I will tell you now that it is a dishonest quote since it is quoted out of context. That is why links of some sort for quotes are always needed.
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I would tend to say that he did not precede the universe, until empirical evidence reveals itself that he did precede it. Genesis is full of inaccuracies, and inconsistencies with respect to know science. Therefore, I see no reason to view the entire book of Genesis as anything other than allegory at best.
Now a question for you. Why do you continue to accept the creation science literature when it can be shown to be nothing more than intellectual dishonesty over and over again? Understand I am specifically asking about that literature, not the Bible.
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justlookinla
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If God did not precede the universe, are you suggesting that the universe preceded God?
You didn't respond to the last part of your statement "Genesis is not factual. God did not precede nor create the universe." If God did not create the universe, what/who did?
I'm not sure what creation science literature of which you're speaking. Quote something or someone concerning creation science literature and I'll respond. I need an example.
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Really? Come on justlookinla. If God did not precede the universe, he could not have created it. I am not asking you are anyone to believe that, just understand what I said.The scientific consensus is that a singularity preceded the universe. Until a better explanation is provided, I have no problem with the scientific consensus.
The age of the earth, global flood, dating methods, sedimentology, geochemistry, plate tectonics, etc., etc., etc..
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justlookinla
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Just wanting to make sure I understood your claim. Generally speaking, when did God appear after the creation of the universe, in your opinion?
No, that's not a scientific consensus although some do embrace the guess. There are many many other guesses and suppositions within the scientific community.
But, for discussions sake, wouldn't this 'singularity' then be the cause, the source from which the universe proceeded? If so, wouldn't this singularity have existed eternally before the present universe?
The question is concerning God's beginning of existence, and His involvement, in creation. If any.
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I have no idea nor do I care to venture a guess.
Beginning with a "singularity" is most certainly the scientific consensus. Don't confuse different models of the expansion process with the actual singularity and "big bang" itself.
No one knows.
No, you asked for examples of creation science intellectual dishonesty and I provided a list of several fields of earth science with which I am familiar academically and through experience. Again, for your reference:
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