Scientists are seeking God

[Insane_Duck]

Did you mean to say "evolution may well have designed the concept of religion?" It almost sounds like you give evolution some sort of intelligence. Remember with evolution it's all just a crap shoot. Please tell me HOW evolution could have designed religion as a useful makeshift fix.

I figured that you might go for that. Surely you know about the process of natural selection. It's useful to personify evolution and talk about it making choices, but surely you are intellegent enough to know the intention of my post?

Humans that were more organized and perhaps feared death less, ones that had religion, were selected for. The ones that held the beliefs that benefited them the most survived. Its also possible religion has no benefit and is indeed parasitic, Google "meme".

Edited to fix grammar

 

[Inan3]

I figured that you might go for that. Surely you know about the process of natural selection. It's useful to personify evolution and talk about it making choices, but surely you are intellegent enough to know the intention of my post?

Humans that were more organized and perhaps feared death less, ones that had religion, were selected for. The ones that held the beliefs that benefited the most survived. Its also possible religion has no benefit and is indeed parasitic, google "meme".

I understand about natural selection but really how far are you going to take this? Can't you see how "convenient" this idea is to explain ALL things. Let's just take your idea into the real world. Do you suppose that something that "holds beliefs that benefit the most and consequently most survived" might not be a REAL and GOOD factor to humankind. One that can be relied upon and trusted in. One that has proved the test of time. If that be the case why do YOU reject it? It is a proved theory, over and over again. Why would you even WANT it to end? That's like saying we want no more peace, or no more vegetables, or no more life!! "We don't want anything good!! Let's get rid of it all!!"

With the way things are going that is exactly what could happen (if it were not for God) . It has almost come to that in other generations also, like in the days of Noah or at the time of the tower of Babel. God has always intervened and God will again. You see it's HIS creation not ours. He owns the heavens and the earth and just because men want to destroy and take away all good. It's just NOT going to happen.

I know that on the surface it might seem a good thing to have no God but take a minute and imagine a world without God and those who believe in God. As soon as they are gone... it wil be hell on earth... believe me. That is what keeps this world "sane."

 

[Insane_Duck]

I understand about natural selection but really how far are you going to take this? Can't you see how "convenient" this idea is to explain ALL things. Let's just take your idea into the real world. Do you suppose that something that "holds beliefs that benefit the most and consequently most survived" might not be a REAL and GOOD factor to humankind. One that can be relied upon and trusted in. One that has proved the test of time. If that be the case why do YOU reject it? It is a proved theory, over and over again. Why would you even WANT it to end? That's like saying we want no more peace, or no more vegetables, or no more life!! "We don't want anything good!! Let's get rid of it all!!"

With the way things are going that is exactly what could happen (if it were not for God) . It has almost come to that in other generations also, like in the days of Noah or at the time of the tower of Babel. God has always intervened and God will again. You see it's HIS creation not ours. He owns the heavens and the earth and just because men want to destroy and take away all good. It's just NOT going to happen.

I know that on the surface it might seem a good thing to have no God but take a minute and imagine a world without God and those who believe in God. As soon as they are gone... it wil be hell on earth... believe me. That is what keeps this world "sane."

Actually, evolution isn't perfect. The appendix was evolved (or created by God according to you, that's another debate) but has become outdated. Sometimes we need to cut it out. Ever wonder why you hiccup?

Also, I (this is an opinion I'm in the middle of figuring out) said that many atheists hold the view that religion is beneficial, but they have seen through it, and can't go back without being intellectually dishonest. Belief is not a choice, stated beliefs are a choice, but what you actually believe is hard to change.

 

[rjc34]

Do you suppose that something that "holds beliefs that benefit the most and consequently most survived" might not be a REAL and GOOD factor to humankind.

It might very well have been beneficial thousands and thousands of years ago. In our civilized would today though, it's unnecessary.

One that can be relied upon and trusted in. One that has proved the test of time.

Name me a single action of the church or religion that cannot be achieved solely through secular means.

If that be the case why do YOU reject it?

It's not the case.

It is a proved theory, over and over again.

You're equivocating the scientific use of the term 'theory' with the colloquial term 'theory'. Scientifically religion is completely bankrupt.

Why would you even WANT it to end? That's like saying we want no more peace, or no more vegetables, or no more life!! "We don't want anything good!! Let's get rid of it all!!"

When you realize this life is the only one you get, it becomes infinitely more valuable. I strive for a much good as I can. I strive to end as much suffering as I can. Why? Because this is the one life I know I have, and that I know other people have; thus I strive to create the greatest net 'good' effect in the world with my life as I can.

With the way things are going that is exactly what could happen (if it were not for God)

Honestly, I'd rather live in a world full of atheists. Conveniently the newest Global Peace Index shows the countries at the top of the list are among the most secular in the world.

I know that on the surface it might seem a good thing to have no God but take a minute and imagine a world without God and those who believe in God. As soon as they are gone... it wil be hell on earth... believe me. That is what keeps this world "sane."

What's scary is to imagine how many fanatical religious folks aren't killing and murdering just because they believe there'll be punished in the afterlife for it...

So nope, a world without religion (and all superstition) would be a world of rationalists, a world where peace reigns supreme and every life is infinitely valuable.

 

[rjc34]

Did you mean to say "evolution may well have designed the concept of religion?" It almost sounds like you give evolution some sort of intelligence. Remember with evolution it's all just a crap shoot. Please tell me HOW evolution could have designed religion as a useful makeshift fix.

Please, study up on the facts of evolution and the concepts of evolutionary theory before making ridiculous statements like that.