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Scientific Proof God Doesnt Exist!

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Generally I try to keep creationists from thinking incorrect thoughts about the theory of evolution and science. One aspect of this is to try to protect christianity from creationists because creationism can easily damage christianity and peoples faiths by telling lies, and by giving militant atheists (people who want to destroy christianity) an easy target to tear apart christianity. Quite frankly, creationism is one of the best things that has ever happend for miltant atheism.

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Hm.....interesting. Well um I come here to protect some Evolutionists from thinking wrong thoughts about the beginning of the earth. It's working quite well.
 
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Arikay said:
Generally I try to keep creationists from thinking incorrect thoughts about the theory of evolution and science. One aspect of this is to try to protect christianity from creationists because creationism can easily damage christianity and peoples faiths by telling lies, and by giving militant atheists (people who want to destroy christianity) an easy target to tear apart christianity. Quite frankly, creationism is one of the best things that has ever happend for miltant atheism.

You are taking classic creationism as what all christian's believe and that is not so. Classic creation theory is unsound and not biblical in it's foundation!

A much better interpretation of Genesis 1 come from the time gap theory between vs. 1 and vs 2. that could have lasted millions of years. Gen 1 is not original creation in completeness except for vs 1. Everything past vs 2 is recreation / reconstruction.

Vs 28 was not Adam and Eve either.. but a seperate creation of people. It is from these people that Cain got his wife (in the land of Nod). He did NOT have incest with his sister. etc.. etc.. Please don't bash the church because of a few zelots who want to push poor interpretation of scripture down all our throats.
 
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Chris Singletary said:
You are taking classic creationism as what all christian's believe and that is not so. Classic creation theory is unsound and not biblical in it's foundation!

A much better interpretation of Genesis 1 come from the time gap theory between vs. 1 and vs 2. that could have lasted millions of years. Gen 1 is not original creation in completeness except for vs 1. Everything past vs 2 is recreation / reconstruction.

Vs 28 was not Adam and Eve either.. but a seperate creation of people. It is from these people that Cain got his wife (in the land of Nod). He did NOT have incest with his sister. etc.. etc.. Please don't bash the church because of a few zelots who want to push poor interpretation of scripture down all our throats.

"A much better interpretation"? You are joking, aren´t you?
This interpretation really is a "gap" variant - not because of the assumed gap between Gen1:2 and 1:2, but because it looks for all kinds of gaps in the story to insert additional information that are need to make this interpretation work.

It is in no regard more "biblical" than a literal interprtation.
 
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Arikay said:
Generally I try to keep creationists from thinking incorrect thoughts about the theory of evolution and science. One aspect of this is to try to protect christianity from creationists because creationism can easily damage christianity and peoples faiths by telling lies, and by giving militant atheists (people who want to destroy christianity) an easy target to tear apart christianity. Quite frankly, creationism is one of the best things that has ever happend for miltant atheism.
Ya, it's so nice to have someone to show us the way.

As Science Digest reported:

"Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest-growing controversial minorities... Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science." (Larry Hatfield, "Educators Against Darwin," Science Digest Special (Winter 1979), pp. 94-96)
One example is the late Dr. Arthur E. Wilder-Smith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions. (Arthur Ernest Wilder-Smith: Chemist / Lecturer / Creationist / Ph.D. in physical organic chemistry at University of Reading, England (1941) / Dr.es.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) in Zurich / D.Sc. in pharmacological sciences from University of Geneva (1964) / F.R.I.C. (Fellow of the Royal Institute of Chemistry) / Professorships held at numerous institutions including: University of Illinois Medical School Center (Visiting Full Professor of Pharmacology, 1959-61, received 3 "Golden apple" awards for the best course of lectures), University of Geneva School of Medicine, University of Bergen (Norway) School of Medicine, Hacettepe University (Ankara, Turkey) Medical School, etc. / Former Director of Research for a Swiss pharmaceutical company / Presented the 1986 Huxley Memorial Lecture at the invitation of the University of Oxford / Author or co-author of over 70 scientific publications and more than 30 books published in 17 languages / Dr. Wilder-Smith was also a NATO three-star general. He was featured in the motion picture series ORIGINS: How the World Came to Be.) A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design.
[font=Times, Times New Roman]"The Evolutionary model says that it is not necessary to assume the existence of anything, besides matter and energy, to produce life. That proposition is unscientific. We know perfectly well that if you leave matter to itself, it does not organize itself - in spite of all the efforts in recent years to prove that it does." (Arthur E. Wilder-Smith in Willem J.J. Glashouwer and Paul S. Taylor, The Origin of the Universe (PO Box 200, Gilbert AZ 85299 USA: Eden Communications and Standard Media, 1983).)[/font]

Secular researcher Richard Milton summarized the current world situation: "Darwinism has never had much appeal for science outside of the English-speaking world, and has never appealed much to the American public (although popular with the U.S. scientific establishment in the past). However, its ascendancy in science, in both Britain and America, has been waning for several decades as its grip has weakened in successive areas: geology; paleontology; embryology; comparative anatomy. Now even geneticists are beginning to have doubts. It is only in mainstream molecular biology and zoology that Darwinism retains serious enthusiastic supporters. As growing numbers of scientists begin to drift away from neo-Darwinist ideas, the revision of Darwinism at the public level is long overdue, and is a process that I believe has already started." (Richard Milton, Shattering the Myths of Darwinism (Rochester, Vermont: Park Street Press, 1992, 1997), p. 277. Bolding mine)

 
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I don't care how many letters come after a man's name. If he has his answers locked in stone before he ever starts investigating, if he will not change his theories no matter how much evidence contradicts them, he is not a scientist.
 
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Chris Singletary said:
It is from these people that Cain got his wife (in the land of Nod). He did NOT have incest with his sister. etc.. etc..
What about Seth, where did he get his wife?

How about Abraham, didn't he marry his sister?
 
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thinkingabout4ever said:
if this is a Christian forum for the purpose of "Uniting all Christians as one body" then why are you here if you aren't a Christian?
This forum is for a discussion between believers and non believers. There are other christian only forums, where non christians are not allowed to post.
 
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Fr0st said:
Starting things off...
"hey! where did God Come from?!"
"he was always there"
"always there huh? and he created us when"
"a few thousand years ago"
"and was god around for even a second before he mad ehte earth and man?"
"yeah"
"thank you"
ok think of a time line....
<------------------------------------------------------->
theres your time line...Now God always was so therefore he is Always at the beginning of this time line
<god><-------------------------------------------------->

Now god decides to create earth at say....year 0

<god><----------------------------<0>------------------->

now this is where your gonna have to use your brain to imagine what im talking about but...

Now god has to reach that year <0> so that he can create the world. And since god lived forever...he must then travel an infinite amount of time to reach the time that he created the world(or <0>)

So every year that god waits to reach <0> he doesnt acheive any movement because he is infinitely far away from it....

So there ya go....God Cant have existed forever due to that simple demonstration.

Next...If god didnt exist forever, then he must have been created at some point, or created himself....But if god created himself whats to have stopped the big bang from occuring...Well anyway, how does something create itself..? It would then mean that there was nothing in the universe, therefor no universe. Now what is more believable, a small speck of energy is cerated out of nothing, or an all supreme being is created from nothing...

In my opinion neither is believable, the most you can get from nothing...is nothing...so then this means that we technically do not exist in the means we believe we do. Like the Morpheus says in the Matrix, "What is Real? something you can touch? see? feel?" well we can touch see and feel things, but i think that it isnt matter that were touching, it couldnt possibly be, since the universe could not have started with anything in it, and thus still has nothing in it...So what are we? i dunno..................an idea? a thought? but whos idea? whoa, a big circle.....ah well well probably never udnerstand it
If you are not here, you then have nothing to worry about, However if you throw yourself in front of truck I can be sure it will hurt and since hurts I would say it's real.
Since it's real I think we should try to find out what will happen to us when ends.
 
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People here are saying you cant make something from nothing...you are all wrong...higher science does prove the big bang correct...and it makes a lot of sense if you know the real truth....I will explain this once and once only...get ready to think hard
In todays laws of science you need something to make something...however...when there is nothing...these laws do not exist...which means these laws arent supressing nothing from becoming something...In a sense nothing can become something as there is nothing making it not be able to
 
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http://everythingforever.com/hawking.htm

'Quantum theory introduces a new idea, that of imaginary time. Imaginary time may sound like science fiction, and it has been brought into Doctor Who [an English Star Trek]. But never the less, it is a genuine scientific concept. One can picture it in the following way. One can think of ordinary, real, time as a horizontal line. On the left, one has the past, and on the right, the future. But there's another kind of time in the vertical direction. This is called imaginary time, because it is not the kind of time we normally experience. But in a sense, it is just as real, as what we call real time. '

Our concept of time is redefined.

So for those of faith God is even bigger than you think.
 
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Linkylink said:
People here are saying you cant make something from nothing...you are all wrong...higher science does prove the big bang correct...and it makes a lot of sense if you know the real truth....I will explain this once and once only...get ready to think hard
In todays laws of science you need something to make something...however...when there is nothing...these laws do not exist...which means these laws arent supressing nothing from becoming something...In a sense nothing can become something as there is nothing making it not be able to

The Big Bag is that point at which time began in this space-time. So at one point in this space-time there was nothing (so one might wonder if this space-time even existed at that point). But the Big Bang realys on a singuarity which would contradict there being nothing, so it is possible the big bang is wrong partly. Everything after the Big Bang so far is correct. But math breaks down as you reach the event horizon of the Big Bang.
 
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Jet Black said:
He is hanging out with all the christian-only bods in the theology section :p
Awww, why? You've kind of taken over the forum. I see you're worthy of saying the "Darth Vader" line to lucaspa, now.

"When I last saw you, I was but the learner, now I am the Master"
 
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God would have to exist within a world with time, as time is the measurement of the passing of events. Because the BIBLE tells us, God has certainly taken part in events, such as the creation of earth, and the universe, etc. So, due to the very nature of what time is, God is bound by it.

Dont know what point that serves, but i just thought that i would bring that up...
 
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seventytwo said:
God would have to exist within a world with time, as time is the measurement of the passing of events. Because the BIBLE tells us, God has certainly taken part in events, such as the creation of earth, and the universe, etc. So, due to the very nature of what time is, God is bound by it.

Dont know what point that serves, but i just thought that i would bring that up...
That's an easy one. God is boundless. Just because He has taken place in time, does not mean that He is bound by it. He could very well choose to not be bound by time, or he could choose to act within it.
 
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seventytwo said:
God would have to exist within a world with time, as time is the measurement of the passing of events. Because the BIBLE tells us, God has certainly taken part in events, such as the creation of earth, and the universe, etc. So, due to the very nature of what time is, God is bound by it.

Dont know what point that serves, but i just thought that i would bring that up...
God is not bound to this space-time, because the Bible says he knows what was, what is, and what will and could be. To be able to do such a thing God would have to be out side of this space-time or exist in a different context of time. How can one say God is bound by his creation?

RIGHTANG.GIF

This model timeline domonstrates this simply.

http://everythingforever.com/hawking.htm

The Big Bang(inflation) is the point at which time began, therefore if you what you say is true, then God would have had to create himself.
 
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this long agument about god exsiting and not or thats has gone on forever....its ********
i dont say i beleieve in god and i dnt say i dont believe in god, in fact, i dont talk about god anyway
but you people are so dumb
if some people want to believe in a god, let them its their life and its not hurting you
if you dont they should let you and for the most part they do.
instead of arguing over something that no one gonna prove anytime soon


why not go change the world for the better?
 
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