Science vs. Evolution

[Cassiterides]

Yeah we can read the Bible too. How about you answer my Question Cassiteredes? Or is this too much to ask of you?

What happened to the Dinosaurs and why do we not see any dinosaur fossils in the same layer as human and modern animal bones?

Most dinosaurs became extinct since they were hunted by man, hence why we have legends such as St. George and the Dragon, Beowulf etc. Check the links below:

Dinosaurs from Anglo-Saxon and other Records

Zoologically applied terms in the Beowulf Epic

 

[gipsy]

The gap is about 106 years from the flood to the Tower of Babel.

We don't know how many additional son's Noah had, secondly the Book of Jasher may be wrong on the exact figure at Babel, so debating the maths is pretty pointless. You asked how the Neanderthals fit in with the Bible, i provided the historical evidence that the phenotpye was changed after the dispersion at Babel. I can also give you other sources.

Even if it would be possible to grow the population from under 10 to over 500.000 in about 100 years (which is simply totally impossibe as long as you don't talk about rabbits), this is absolutely irrelevant, because with theyr means it would be equally impossible to build a 70/17 mile high building in under 500 years, and I'm not even talking about the total absence of any trees after the world wide flood ...

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Most dinosaurs became extinct since they were hunted by man, hence why we have legends such as St. George and the Dragon, Beowulf etc. Check the links below:

Dinosaurs from Anglo-Saxon and other Records

Zoologically applied terms in the Beowulf Epic

So all these dinosaurs were hunted by men.

List of dinosaurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems to me more likely it would have been the other way round. Do you really expect anyone to take Anglo-Saxon legends of dragons seriously as evidence here? Don't you think that if hundreds of dinosaurs species had been hunted to extinction by men there would be more than a handful of legends about dragons?

 

[tanzanos]

Most dinosaurs became extinct since they were hunted by man, hence why we have legends such as St. George and the Dragon, Beowulf etc. Check the links below:

Dinosaurs from Anglo-Saxon and other Records

Zoologically applied terms in the Beowulf Epic

If they were hunted by man then why are the bones not found in the strata where human bones are found? All the dinosaurs were killed by man? Man chose to kill only dinosaurs even in the deepest and uninhabited jungles? This is a joke right? You really need to read some biology, palaeontology, history, chemistry, geology, etc before you try to apply your cartoon physics as proof of the ridiculous things you claim!

Hunted by humans

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

So all these dinosaurs were hunted by men.

List of dinosaurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems to me more likely it would have been the other way round. Do you really expect anyone to take Anglo-Saxon legends of dragons seriously as evidence here? Don't you think that if hundreds of dinosaurs species had been hunted to extinction by men there would be more than a handful of legends about dragons?

Obviously the neandertals did most of the hunting and didnt share the stories of their hunts with humans so we only have the few stories of a actual human who got lucky enough to find a dragon the neandertals did not find yet.
(after all we know neandertals hunted big game alot)

If they were hunted by man then why are the bones not found in the strata where human bones are found?

Also neandertals being the savage brutes they where believed in eating their dead bone and all to gain their power thus leaving no traces (dinosaurs where not considered to pass on their power through bones.)

 

[tanzanos]

So all these dinosaurs were hunted by men.

List of dinosaurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems to me more likely it would have been the other way round. Do you really expect anyone to take Anglo-Saxon legends of dragons seriously as evidence here? Don't you think that if hundreds of dinosaurs species had been hunted to extinction by men there would be more than a handful of legends about dragons?

Not to mention tons upon tons of non fossilised dino bones; Just like mammoth bones! This guy is definitely a sock puppet!

 

[Cassiterides]

Do you really expect anyone to take Anglo-Saxon legends of dragons seriously as evidence here?

Dragons appear in all world cultures, not just Anglo-Saxon and English Medieval records.

Ancient Dinosaur Depictions
Dinosaurs In Literature, History and Art: Dinosaurs in the Temple; The Angkor Wat Stegosaur; the Bi-Pedal Dinosaur and Giant Creature at Umm El-Kanatir and Others ...Page 87

Bishop Bell's dinosaurs are two animal figures on the brasswork of the tomb of Bishop Bell of Carlisle (d. 1496), which resemble dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs in ancient Cambodian temple

Don't you think that if hundreds of dinosaurs species had been hunted to extinction by men there would be more than a handful of legends about dragons?

Clearly you have never looked into this area, since there are far more than just a 'handful' of legends about dragons.

 

[AV1611VET]

Cassiteredes is a sock puppet Troll. Unless of course he can explain to us how Neanderthals could survive building in heights where there is almost no oxygen and blood would boil due to the almost absence of pressure?

You mean like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego did in the fiery furnace?

 

[AV1611VET]

If they were hunted by man then why are the bones not found in the strata where human bones are found?

Because you guys quit looking?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

You mean like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego did in the fiery furnace?

So are you saying God kept those people who were building a tower 70 (17) miles high alive even though they were in defiance of God?

 

[Cabal]

So are you saying God kept those people who were building a tower 70 (17) miles high alive even though they were in defiance of God?

yes, I for one also see the clear parallels between a giant earth based furnace for throwing the faithful into and a giant tower 70% of the way into space built in defiance of God

 

[Hespera]

yes, I for one also see the clear parallels between a giant earth based furnace for throwing the faithful into and a giant tower 70% of the way into space built in defiance of God

Funny how now "He" doesnt get annoyed by spacecraft.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Dragons appear in all world cultures, not just Anglo-Saxon and English Medieval records.

Ancient Dinosaur Depictions
Dinosaurs In Literature, History and Art: Dinosaurs in the Temple; The Angkor Wat Stegosaur; the Bi-Pedal Dinosaur and Giant Creature at Umm El-Kanatir and Others ...Page 87

Bishop Bell's dinosaurs are two animal figures on the brasswork of the tomb of Bishop Bell of Carlisle (d. 1496), which resemble dinosaurs.

The picture on the left looks like a big cat. The picture on the right may be supposed to be a dragon. There is projection above the shoulder that may be a wing. It doesn't show too clearly in this picture but I have seen it in others. This is probably meant to be an image of a lion fighting a dragon, meant to symbolize the struggle of Christ against Satan, a popular image at the time.

Did the person who carved it actually see a sauropod dinosaur in the England in the late 15th century? These were very large animals. There would have had to have been a breeding population there for thousands of years overlapping with people on a small populated island. There would certainly be more evidence of them than one carving in a tomb.

The picture at Angor Watt is likely a water buffalo carved against a stylized decoration in the background.

Of course the Chinese have been finding dinosaur bones for many centuries and considered them the bones of dead dragons. Mongolian miners apparently the found the bones of protoceratops and perhaps ovoraptor and from them extrapolated the legendary Griffin. In this context is it interesting that your site makes claims about ovoraptor. It make be coincidental that the statue looks like ovoraptor or perhaps it is a depiction based on tales of someone who had seen ovoraptor fossils.

Many of the alleged picture of dinosaurs, which are actually pictures of dragons may be extrapolated from monitor lizards and of crocodilles. If you were facing a 15 foot nile croc with only a spear you might consider you were fighting a dragon. Have a look at some pictures of monitor lizards sometime and see how much they look like some of your alleged dragons.

The petroglyph at Natural Bridges is most probably the weathered image of a rattlesnake coiled to strike. If you get a good picture you can see that the head is triangular and make out what appears to be rattles in the tale.

The ICA stones are almost certainly frauds

Ica stones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When this came up about on a board I was posting on about 10 years ago someone pointed out that you can get an ICA stone with a depiction of a 57 Chevy on it.

I don't have time to address any more of these right now but consider what I said above. In order to have individual dinosaurs you have to have breeding populations. Breeding populations of very large animals living around humans for thousands of years should have left far more evidence of their presence beyond these imaginative artistic depictions.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Originally Posted by tanzanos

If they were hunted by man then why are the bones not found in the strata where human bones are found?
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Because you guys quit looking?

I don't know if any of us are paleontologists but if you think paleontologists have quit looking you are totally wrong. Why do you think they keep coming up with new fossils?

When it comes to human fossils I suppose you could argue that they are rare but when it comes to both dinosaur fossils and oligocene and miocene mammalian fossils both extremely common. They are found in the same geographic region but never the same geologic strata. It is not a matter of not looking.

 

[AV1611VET]

When it comes to human fossils I suppose you could argue that they are rare but when it comes to both dinosaur fossils and oligocene and miocene mammalian fossils both extremely common. They are found in the same geographic region but never the same geologic strata. It is not a matter of not looking.

Well, I certainly can't help you -- I'm not a paleontologist.

I certainly don't think they buried humans and dinosaurs in the same cemetery, though.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Most dinosaurs became extinct since they were hunted by man,

I suppose men also hunted the Permian pelycosaurs to extinction
Pelycosaur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the giant Paraceratherium, probably the largest land mammal that eveer lived.
Paraceratherium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the giant Brontotheridii like Megacerops
Brontotheriidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the giant Miocene Deintheridiae
Deinotheriidae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those men were might hunters indeed if they killed off these guys in addition to the hundreds of dinosaur species already mentioned.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Well, I certainly can't help you -- I'm not a paleontologist.

I certainly don't think they buried humans and dinosaurs in the same cemetery, though.

Are you saying someone buried all those dinosaur fossils?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying someone buried all those dinosaur fossils?

You don't bury dinosaur fossils; you dig them up?

 

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by tanzanos

If they were hunted by man then why are the bones not found in the strata where human bones are found?
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I don't know if any of us are paleontologists but if you think paleontologists have quit looking you are totally wrong. Why do you think they keep coming up with new fossils?

When it comes to human fossils I suppose you could argue that they are rare but when it comes to both dinosaur fossils and oligocene and miocene mammalian fossils both extremely common. They are found in the same geographic region but never the same geologic strata. It is not a matter of not looking.

i have met several paleontologists, and I have gone out on field trips with same, several times collecting fossils.

The level of activity in fossil collecting has never been higher, especially with the commercial interest as it is now.

The "stopped looking" quip is so lame and out to lunch.

As for the "same geographic region" yes of course. Depends on how much vertical exposure you have, what you will find of course. Around here, you have to drill a few thousand feet to get down to start finding dinosaur age strata.

Out of all the fossils ever found, in their millions, nobody has ever found one that was out of place in the strata. Id love to see some clown come up to a hard bitten old foreman of a drilling rig and tell him that if he just keeps drilling he'd find human artifacts come up from the Triassic.

They do of course come on campus, these clowns do, from time to time and try that kind of nonsense. We had security escort a gentleman out just last week. He was a excitable sort, with some Omphaloceratops kind of theory he was shouting about.

 

[AV1611VET]

Out of all the fossils ever found, in their millions, nobody has ever found one that was out of place in the strata.

Hmmm -- seashells on top of mountains isn't considered out of place?

And I find it interesting that, even in the Mesopotamian region, where you guys do admit there was a region-wide flood, you claim nothing is out of place.

I submit everything is out of place (by comparison to the antediluvian world), but we wouldn't be able to tell, since there is no noticeable point of comparison.

A fish doesn't realize it is wet.