Science vs. Evolution

[Cabal]

You. think there might be something left of tower at least 60 miles (3 days walk) in circumference and 70 miles high. (I am pretty sure he says 70 and not 17 but even so?) And this link was posted by a guy who called Lucaspa ignorant.

Maybe God cleaned it up after the smiting?

 

[AV1611VET]

One wonders what you are doing here in the first place given your attitude toward science.

Chasing you guys home.

Making you retreat behind a clipboard, a science book, a website, some computer program, chart, graph, or other such nonsense.

 

[tanzanos]

Firstly there was a gap of more then 100 years between the deluge and construction of the Tower of Babel.

Secondly, Noah after the flood didn't himself stop having children.

Read Genesis 9: 1 -

''And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth''

The scripture applies this to Noah as well as his sons, not just his sons.

Yeah we can read the Bible too. How about you answer my Question Cassiteredes? Or is this too much to ask of you?

What happened to the Dinosaurs and why do we not see any dinosaur fossils in the same layer as human and modern animal bones?

By the way if you factor in the death rate and life expectancy for the last 4500 years it is impossible to reach the present population from one incestuous family in just 4500 years.

Now for the Dino question?

PS: I suspect Cassiteredes is a sock account!

 

[Cabal]

Chasing you guys home.

Making you retreat behind a clipboard, a science book, a website, some computer program, chart, graph, or other such nonsense.

("...he said, on a computer.")

What, while you get forced back to your personal version of Goddidit all the time? This is hardly what I'd call tactical.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Firstly there was a gap of more then 100 years between the deluge and construction of the Tower of Babel.

Secondly, Noah after the flood didn't himself stop having children.

Read Genesis 9: 1 -

''And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth''

The scripture applies this to Noah as well as his sons, not just his sons.

Additional Children of Noah

Some 9th century manuscripts of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles assert that Sceafa was the fourth son of Noah, from whom the House of Wessex traced their ancestry.

An early Arabic work known as Kitab al-Magall or the Book of Rolls mentions Bouniter, the fourth son of Noah, born after the flood, who allegedly invented astronomy and instructed Nimrod.

Martin of Opava (c. 1250), later versions of the Mirabilia Urbis Romae, and the Chronicon Bohemorum of Giovanni di Marignola (1355) make Janus (i.e., the Roman deity) the fourth son of Noah, who moved to Italy, invented astrology, and instructed Nimrod.

According to the monk Annio da Viterbo (1498), the Hellenistic Babylonian writer Berossus had mentioned 30 children born to Noah after the Deluge, including sons named Tuiscon, Prometheus, Iapetus, Macrus, "16 titans", Cranus, Granaus, Oceanus, and Tipheus. Also mentioned are daughters of Noah named Araxa "the Great", Regina, Pandora, Crana, and Thetis.

And this gets from 8 people to 600,000 an expanion of 75,000 fold just for the population of that one city in just over 100 years??? That's a lot of multiplying. Do you ever actually think about some of the claims you make?

The guy probably made a mistake on the exact height. As he said he ''read this somewhere'', the Book of Jasher certianly doesn't give this figure as the height.

What right do you have to insult the Book of Jasher? Have you ever even read it. Anything which doesn't fit your narrow worldview you label as a 'joke'. Just shows how ignorant you are.

I was referring to the video which is indeed a joke as it doesn't fit any reasonable worldview. Did you even watch it before you posted it. I have read passages purporting to be from the book of Jasher. As to the book of Jasher that is quoted exactly what is it, it is the book of Jasher referred to in the Bible and why does it have any relevance to this debate?
Sefer haYashar (midrash)

 

[AV1611VET]

By the way if you factor in the death rate and life expectancy for the last 4500 years it is impossible to reach the present population from one incestuous family in just 4500 years.

Factoring out your uniformitarian baloney -- gestation periods could have been shorter in Noah's time.

Put the same-state-past paradigms away, please.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Factoring out your uniformitarian baloney -- gestation periods could have been shorter in Noah's time.

Put the same-state-past paradigms away, please.

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] AV has been possessed by dad-hoc.

 

[Cabal]

Factoring out your uniformitarian baloney -- gestation periods could have been shorter in Noah's time.

Put the same-state-past paradigms away, please.

Wonderful, so we have AV citing dad, and Cass citing Chris-gorilla199-Constantine to back up a book that didn't make the cut into the Bible.

All the evolutionists need to do now is start citing Aristotle and the world has officially gone BANANAS

 

[AV1611VET]

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]

Need some gum?

 

[AV1611VET]

All the evolutionists need to do now is start citing Aristotle and the world has officially gone BANANAS

Aristotle was cited, for over 2000 years -- by scientists.

We've improved since then, haven't we?

We only cited Tombaugh for 76.

 

[Cassiterides]

And this gets from 8 people to 600,000 an expanion of 75,000 fold just for the population of that one city in just over 100 years??? That's a lot of multiplying. Do you ever actually think about some of the claims you make?

Did you read what i wrote? Noah had additional children (Gen 9: 1), the maths therefore works out fine, then you have the gap of 100 years or more. There are no problems here.

I was referring to the video which is indeed a joke as it doesn't fit any reasonable worldview.

So people who don't believe what you believe are a 'joke'? Why do you think everyone has to believe the same?

Did you even watch it before you posted it.

Yes, as it explains neanderthals were a result of the Tower of Babel.

I have read passages purporting to be from the book of Jasher. As to the book of Jasher that is quoted exactly what is it, it is the book of Jasher referred to in the Bible and why does it have any relevance to this debate? Sefer haYashar (midrash)

You asked who neaderthals were or how they fit with the Bible. I provided a historical source, i can provide you others as well.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Need some gum?

I have never understood where these wash my mouth things come from. Once i had a bunch in preview and got rid of them just by insertng a comma. This time I posted the letters O M G which without the spaces leads to the wash my mouth thingies.

 

[Cabal]

Aristotle was cited, for over 2000 years -- by scientists.

We've improved since then, haven't we?

We?

We're not the ones with the science that's stuck in the 15th century.

We only cited Tombaugh for 76.

Yes, because renaming Pluto annihilated the fact that Tombaugh discovered it from history. Yup, this is a totally relevant point.

 

[AV1611VET]

Cassiterides makes a good point here.

Yes, as it explains neanderthals were a result of the Tower of Babel.

Just out of curiosity, Frumious, does evolutionary doctrine teach that the Neanderthals showed up via punctuated equilibrium?

IOW, did they come on the scene suddenly?

 

[Cabal]

Cassiterides makes a good point here.

Just out of curiosity, Frumious, does evolutionary doctrine teach that the Neanderthals showed up via punctuated equilibrium?

IOW, did they come on the scene suddenly?

Was the notion of Neanderthals arising as a result of the tower of Babel arrived at via a literal interpretation of the Bible, or is this another personal interpretation that's going to get waved around like embedded age, and God cleaning up after the flood; while all the while their proponents bang on about how they don't interpret the Bible and have "THE TRUTH"?

 

[Hespera]

We?

We're not the ones with the science that's stuck in the 15th century.



Yes, because renaming Pluto annihilated the fact that Tombaugh discovered it from history. Yup, this is a totally relevant point.

Pluto again. Cant we vary it a bit, and call it getting St. Christophered?

The name "Christopher" even means "Christ bearer." But in 1969, the Catholic Church stripped him of his feast day and announced there was no proof St. Christopher ever existed.
So among believers, confusion has reigned for 29 years. Was St. Christopher demoted? Downsized? De-canonized? Is he still an actual saint?

 

[AV1611VET]

Was the notion of Neanderthals arising as a result of the tower of Babel arrived at via a literal interpretation of the Bible, or is this another personal interpretation that's going to get waved around like embedded age, and God cleaning up after the flood; while all the while their proponents bang on about how they don't interpret the Bible?

Book of Jasher ≦ the Bible.

 

[Hespera]

Was the notion of Neanderthals arising as a result of the tower of Babel arrived at via a literal interpretation of the Bible, or is this another personal interpretation that's going to get waved around like embedded age, and God cleaning up after the flood; while all the while their proponents bang on about how they don't interpret the Bible and have "THE TRUTH"?

You letting that bit about "evolutionary doctrine" slip by as in acknowledging it as a legitimate description?

 

[AV1611VET]

Pluto again. Cant we vary it a bit, and call it getting St. Christophered?

Pluto, as a verb, was chosen as the American Dialect Society's word-of-the-year for 2006.

SOURCE

 

[Cabal]

Book of Jasher ≦ the Bible.

Then it can hardly have been a good point, then.

Wait a second...a book that could have been part of the Bible but isn't is described as LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO the Bible?