Science vs. Evolution

[driewerf]

People have worshipped all those things, and even stranger things. But that doesn't turn them into deitties. Their is/are no god/gods. So no, nature isn't a deity.

Yes -- technically there is only one God, Elohim; but His creation can be raised to the level of worship, which is what nature does by supplanting God on the throne.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

First, there is nog god, as I said in the firdt post. So you don't have to start with & "yes", suggenting you agree with me, to start to contradict me in de the same sentence.

Second, nature doesn't supplant your imaginary god from his throne. Some New Age adepts might try to do.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Once again, God placed "strange diseases" on the people as a judgment against them.

I have no doubt that some of these were directed at their skeletal structures.

Diseases that made them look stronger and created all the other changes I mentioned. You may have no doubt but it is still absurd

In addition, don't forget that there was a human/angel hybrid on the earth prior to the Flood.

Oh you mean the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. So are you saying that Neanderthal fossils are preflood? Strange that demi-gods should lead such a primative life style. You'd have thought half gods could do better than use stone tools and live as hunter gatherers.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

No, creationists don't have to 'deny the geologic column and faunal succession', unless we want to try and impress you guys with more "knowledge" than you guys have on the subject.

Then we get [rightfully] vegomaticked and end up wondering why no one is taking us seriously.

Creationists who try to defend the recent creation of the earth and global flood do indeed get "vegomaticked" when they try to explain geology and paleontology because they can't begin to explain either without reverting to some form of the Omphalos hypothesis.

 

[AV1611VET]

Diseases that made them look stronger and created all the other changes I mentioned. You may have no doubt but it is still absurd

How 'absurd' would it be if God slowly changed all our spines into titanium?

I'm sure we'd all writhe in pain and die screaming.

Then, years later, along would come a Frumious Bandersnatch to tell everyone that these guys couldn't have been slain by God, as they had titanium backbones.

Tougher ≠ better.

Oh you mean the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men.

I mean just what I said -- a hybrid mix of human/angels.

So are you saying that Neanderthal fossils are preflood? Strange that demi-gods should lead such a primative life style. You'd have thought half gods could do better than use stone tools and live as hunter gatherers.

Is that your refutation? their lifestyle?

In that case, I'll take your point with a grain of salt.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists who try to defend the recent creation of the earth and global flood do indeed get "vegomaticked" when they try to explain geology and paleontology...

As they should, in my opinion.

After all, Paul warned them:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

... because they can't begin to explain either without reverting to some form of the Omphalos hypothesis.

Cute.

If God created a loaf of stale bread tomorrow -- would that loaf of stale bread be omphalos?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

[/list]Yes, and a lot of these things can be found in certain populations.



We are provided the evidence in the Book of Jasher, Chapter 9 relating to the Tower of Babel. All the races and physical variation stems from there.

Book of Jasher, Chapter 9

A video i found where a guy has summed this up:

YouTube - Neanderthal Man and the Tower of Babel Link

Everyone should watch this video. It is sublime in its absurdity.

First 600,000 people in one city, not that long after a flood has reduced the population of the earth to 8 people, right. And they built a tower that it took three days to walk around and was 70 miles high*. Don't you think the air got a little thin up there??

I have a really nice marble stature of this guy one of my Indian student gave me several years ago.

I guess I owe him to the Tower of Babel.

Anyway thanks. This is by far the best joke you have provided so far. Keep up the good work.
*Added in edit, as AV pointed out he may have said 17 miles high, I can't tell for sure but that really doesn't change the point.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

As they should, in my opinion.


If God created a loaf of stale bread tomorrow -- would that loaf of stale bread be omphalos?

So are you saying that God created the geologic column when he formed the earth.
The Entire Geologic Column in North Dakota

Did he create the faunal succession from Percambrian through Holocene and create the unique collection of fossils in strata from each era?
Geologic time scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If not where did the earth's geological and paleontological record come from?

 

[AV1611VET]

And they built a tower that it took three days to walk around and was 70 miles high. Don't you think the air got a little thin up there??

Either that, or he said 17 miles high (00:58).

Still though, I agree with your point.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Either that, or he said 17 miles high (00:58).

Still though, I agree with your point.

Right. It is a hard to tell with his accent. Maybe he meant only 89.600 feet instead of 369,000 feet.

Added in Edit: I listened again. I am pretty sure he said 70 miles high. I wonder where he read that.

 

[AV1611VET]

So are you saying that God created the geologic column when he formed the earth.
The Entire Geologic Column in North Dakota

Did he create the faunal succession from Percambrian through Holocene and create the unique collection of fossils in strata from each era?
Geologic time scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If not where did the earth's geological and paleontological record come from?

When you retreat behind a science book, then I've "chased you home" and the conversation is over, eh?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

When you retreat behind a science book, then I've "chased you home" and the conversation is over, eh?

I am not retreating. I am asking you to explain something you can't explain. Thanks for admitting defeat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Right. It is a hard to tell with his accent. Maybe he meant only 89.600 feet instead of 369,000 feet.

I doubt it -- 17 miles is 17 miles.

Only scientists and billing clerks goof up decimal points.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am not retreating. I am asking you to explain something you can't explain. Thanks for admitting defeat.

I know where to stop.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch

Right. It is a hard to tell with his accent. Maybe he meant only 89.600 feet instead of 369,000 feet.
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I doubt it -- 17 miles is 17 miles.

Only scientists and billing clerks goof up decimal points.

I mistyped but I didn't miss a decimal point... 17 miles is 89,760 feet. But listen again. He says 70.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

When you retreat behind a science book, then I've "chased you home" and the conversation is over, eh?

Have you noticed that the title of this forum is Physical and Life Sciences? One wonders what you are doing here in the first place given your attitude toward science.

 

[Cabal]

Everyone should watch this video. It is sublime in its absurdity.

Wait, he cited gorilla199whatever as a valid source?

I didn't think it was possible to cite a worse source than Hovind - but it was accomplished.

Please be a poe.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Wait, he cited gorilla199whatever as a valid source?

I didn't think it was possible to cite a worse source than Hovind - but it was accomplished.

Please be a poe.

You. think there might be something left of tower at least 60 miles (3 days walk) in circumference and 70 miles high. (I am pretty sure he says 70 and not 17 but even so?) And this link was posted by a guy who called Lucaspa ignorant.

 

[Cabal]

According to some of you, you were already "there" at one time, but had questions your respective pastors couldn't answer -- so you left; and judging from the responses I get when I answer those questions, I'm sure you 'put him on ignore' long before you left him behind.

Yes, because your arguments are of course the peak of erudition and thus should be the standard for evaluating these things

An "I don't know" would have gone down better in some case, I imagine - but that's a four-letter-word to some, unfortunately.

For the rest of you, all we have to do is believe Matthew wrote the book of Matthew, and we're already on your list of the intellectually challenged.

No need. Inconsistency, double standards, wilful ignorance and persecution complexes are what really do that.

And for us to believe we shouldn't be out there burning witches? Whooo -- look out! That makes the hypo list!

No, no-one would actually expect you to do that. It just shows up your cherry-picking and thus your claims that you have obtained "the truth" from the Bible for what they are - no stronger or weaker a position than a TE, or someone holding an alternative explanation. Except, of course, that those others are usually aware enough and honest enough about the fact that they interpret the Bible.

We're right up there with the kooks who believe Pi is 3.14159265358979323846...

I thought you were up there with those who though Pi was truncated (to a pretty useless degree of accuracy) in a certain text whose content is alleged to surpass science?

 

[Cassiterides]

First 600,000 people in one city, not that long after a flood has reduced the population of the earth to 8 people, right.

Firstly there was a gap of more then 100 years between the deluge and construction of the Tower of Babel.

Secondly, Noah after the flood didn't himself stop having children.

Read Genesis 9: 1 -

''And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth''

The scripture applies this to Noah as well as his sons, not just his sons.

Additional Children of Noah

Some 9th century manuscripts of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles assert that Sceafa was the fourth son of Noah, from whom the House of Wessex traced their ancestry.

An early Arabic work known as Kitab al-Magall or the Book of Rolls mentions Bouniter, the fourth son of Noah, born after the flood, who allegedly invented astronomy and instructed Nimrod.

Martin of Opava (c. 1250), later versions of the Mirabilia Urbis Romae, and the Chronicon Bohemorum of Giovanni di Marignola (1355) make Janus (i.e., the Roman deity) the fourth son of Noah, who moved to Italy, invented astrology, and instructed Nimrod.

According to the monk Annio da Viterbo (1498), the Hellenistic Babylonian writer Berossus had mentioned 30 children born to Noah after the Deluge, including sons named Tuiscon, Prometheus, Iapetus, Macrus, "16 titans", Cranus, Granaus, Oceanus, and Tipheus. Also mentioned are daughters of Noah named Araxa "the Great", Regina, Pandora, Crana, and Thetis.

And they built a tower that it took three days to walk around and was 70 miles high. Don't you think the air got a little thin up there??

The guy probably made a mistake on the exact height. As he said he ''read this somewhere'', the Book of Jasher certianly doesn't give this figure as the height.

Anyway thanks. This is by far the best joke you have provided so far. Keep up the good work.

What right do you have to insult the Book of Jasher? Have you ever even read it. Anything which doesn't fit your narrow worldview you label as a 'joke'. Just shows how ignorant you are.

 

[Cabal]

What right do you have to insult the Book of Jasher? Have you ever even read it. Anything which doesn't fit your narrow worldview you label as a 'joke'. Just shows how ignorant you are.

Cass, you insulted the book of Jasher to begin with by trying to back it up with the words of someone certifiably paint-drinkingly off their rocker (gorilla199), and I think it's the video that FB is referring to. If you allegedly value a source that much, don't post such terrible supplementary ones.