Science Says NO to Evolution Theory!

[RickG]

like i said, i have the PMs.
like the mod said "leave koonin out of it".
and like i asked him "who's going to be next i can't quote, noble?"

Would the Koonin article be the one in Nature titled Human Genome? If so, it is open access. There is no reason why anyone cannot quote from it. Just don't C&P the entire or large globs of the article.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm thankful the KJB doesn't come with a copyright.

 

[bhsmte]

like i said, i have the PMs.
like the mod said "leave koonin out of it".
and like i asked him "who's going to be next i can't quote, noble?"

Was that because another poster emailed Koonan and demonstrated you were misrepresenting him?

 

[Gene2memE]

Let me give you an example. The Establishment of religion clause was designed to protect Religion from the Government.

That's a street that runs both ways. Government has no place in the business of religion. Religion has no place in the business of government.

The US Constitution is a secular document, outlining no favoritism for one religious group, nor discrimination against another. Therefore the US government should be religiously neutral, neither endorsing or condemning a religious position.

Yet the Supreme court interferes with our freedom of religion all the time. The[y] ban prayer in school, they ban a open public display of the 10 commandment and other similar issues.

Is this actually interfering with religious freedom? I don't believe it is.

I'm not an American, but I have worked as a substitute teacher in the US. Prayer itself is not banned in US public schools. It is permitted as an individual activity and also as a student-led collective activity. Compelled prayer - as an organised, school-sponsored and led activity during school hours - is banned in US schools.

That makes sense to me. A public school is a state institution, effectively a representative of the government. Therefore prayer activities led by a school are state endorsement of a particular religious position.

Prayer is still fully allowed in US private schools, both as an official school activity and as a private one. The private school I subbed at had a chapel, prayers every morning and prayers at the start of class.

10 Commandment monuments on state property is a similar story. These are seen legally as state endorsement of one religious position over another. After-all, the first commandment is "I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other gods before me".

How would you feel as a Christian in an officially secular state if you turned the corner to the Hindu version of the 10 commandments on the grounds of a courthouse or a police station? Or a 20 ft tall statue of Bahamut?

 

[The Cadet]

EDIT: Whoops how did this happen

 

[The Cadet]

like i said, i have the PMs.
like the mod said "leave koonin out of it".
and like i asked him "who's going to be next i can't quote, noble?"

Yeah. And the reason you're supposed to leave Koonin out of it is not because his work puts the theory of evolution in a negative light. If it were, they would have banned Justa and Once ages ago.

 

[SteveB28]

Let me give you an example. The Establishment of religion clause was designed to protect Religion from the Government. Yet the Supreme court interferes with our freedom of religion all the time. The ban prayer in school, they ban a open public display of the 10 commandment and other similar issues.

Are you aware that the ban you speak of was caused by legal actions brought by other Christians!?

Even their is a problem with the constitution if they did follow it. This all represents man and man's law. Soon Jesus will return and for 1000 years the government shall be upon His shoulder. So God will once again be in control and it will no longer be man trying to run the show. I do not question that man wants to get it right, but only God is able to get the job done.

Ah, but what you don't realise is that Bahoo, the monkey god, is scheduled to intervene before Jesus makes his much publicised return. He will control the populace through an irresistible offer of life in his banana republic.

You see, it is not difficult to make fanciful, unsubstantiated claims.

 

[whois]

Yeah. And the reason you're supposed to leave Koonin out of it is not because his work puts the theory of evolution in a negative light. If it were, they would have banned Justa and Once ages ago.

there were no names mentioned when the mods said my quoting of koonin was generating reports.
but by the tone of the PMs it was clear that it was YOU that was reporting the posts i made.
also, the moderation was under the impression that what i posted wasn't up to date research and what the current research revealed.

as you can see, keeping me from posting koonin, didn't help you and your cause at all.

 

[whois]

there were no names mentioned when the mods said my quoting of koonin was generating reports.
but by the tone of the PMs it was clear that it was YOU that was reporting the posts i made.
also, the moderation was under the impression that what i posted wasn't up to date research and what the current research revealed.

as you can see, keeping me from posting koonin, didn't help you and your cause at all.

again, for anyone that wishes to know how koonin feels, and what he actually said, give "the origin at 150" from NCBI a read, it's a pay for article.

 

[whois]

Would the Koonin article be the one in Nature titled Human Genome?

no, the paper i refer to is "the origin at 150" from NCBI.
i have been expressly forbidden to quote from that artice and forbidden to upload it.
i was expressly told to "leave koonin out of it".
that's right, i can't even post the quote about what he said about the origin of life research.

there's your objectivity for you, there's your "evolutionary truth".

evolution, a discipline FILLED with fraud, deceit, and shams.

 

[The Cadet]

evolution, a discipline FILLED with fraud, deceit, and shams.

And apparently, the conspiracy goes as far as Christian Forums. Man, those atheists must have some crazy influence!

 

[whois]

And apparently, the conspiracy goes as far as Christian Forums. Man, those atheists must have some crazy influence!

what was it your favorite author said?
ah yes:
"at the distinct risk of earning the ire of many . . ."

 

[joshua 1 9]

Are you aware that the ban you speak of was caused by legal actions brought by other Christians!?

Yes I am aware of the reason that Jefferson wrote what he did.
They did not want an official state church like they had back in England.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How would you feel as a Christian in an officially secular state if you turned the corner to the Hindu version of the 10 commandments on the grounds of a courthouse or a police station?

At one time people would have considered American a Christian nation. There is a huge difference between the Law of Moses and man's law today. I would not see any problem if Christian, Hindu and Muslim wanted a copy of their 10 commandments at the courthouse.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yeah. And the reason you're supposed to leave Koonin out of it is not because his work puts the theory of evolution in a negative light. If it were, they would have banned Justa and Once ages ago.

How have I put evolution in a negative light?

 

[RickG]

no, the paper i refer to is "the origin at 150" from NCBI.
i have been expressly forbidden to quote from that artice and forbidden to upload it.
i was expressly told to "leave koonin out of it".
that's right, i can't even post the quote about what he said about the origin of life research.

there's your objectivity for you, there's your "evolutionary truth".

evolution, a discipline FILLED with fraud, deceit, and shams.

The article is open access, thus there is no reason why you you should not be free to discuss it giving proper citation. In fact, you can download it for your own private use. What you did was copy and paste the entire article making it available outside of NCBI or designated sites to display it, which is forbidden and stated so on the NCBI site.

As for your comment about his quote on the origin of life research, I couldn't find any such statement. He does mention the origin of species several time, which is the title of Darwin's work. And I saw nothing about Koonin putting down evolution. All he did was provide a bit of history of what has been learned at the centennial of the publication and what has been learned between the 100 yr. and 150 yr. mark. He even states that the next 50 yrs. will show even more developments and changes of understanding.

I would suggest messaging the moderator who discussed this with you and ask for clarification, and cite my posts concerning this discussion if you like. I certainly don't know, but I think there may be a misunderstanding on what the moderator was conveying, but for sure, posting the entire article here was a really big no no. Good luck.

 

[Oncedeceived]

no, the paper i refer to is "the origin at 150" from NCBI.
i have been expressly forbidden to quote from that artice and forbidden to upload it.
i was expressly told to "leave koonin out of it".
that's right, i can't even post the quote about what he said about the origin of life research.

there's your objectivity for you, there's your "evolutionary truth".

evolution, a discipline FILLED with fraud, deceit, and shams.

Christian Forums has told you can't upload it and told you to "leave Koonin out of it"?

 

[The Cadet]

How have I put evolution in a negative light?

By denying it at every term and claiming that an intelligent designer was necessary to create each individual branch of creatures? Correct me if I have your position wrong, but it's essentially that mutations and natural selection cannot produce the variation we see here, is it not? Really, I just picked two people at random who came to mind that I knew regularly posted against evolution. I could have mentioned MikeEnders or Justlookinla or Lifepsyop (haven't seen him around recently) just as easily. There are plenty of people here who go to bat for the creationist cause, even the young earth creationist cause; you may not have been the best example.

 

[AV1611VET]

At one time people would have considered American a Christian nation. There is a huge difference between the Law of Moses and man's law today. I would not see any problem if Christian, Hindu and Muslim wanted a copy of their 10 commandments at the courthouse.

I'm sure the Hindu would go for "do not kill."

That way, their "sacred cows" could roam the streets in front of them, while they starve to death.

In addition, they could be worshipping in their "sacred Ganges," while said cows are urinating upstream.

Then this Christian nation could respond with relief in the way of food & medicine (for just 29¢ a day), while others berate us.

 

[Oncedeceived]

The article is open access, thus there is no reason why you you should not be free to discuss it giving proper citation. In fact, you can download it for your own private use. What you did was copy and paste the entire article making it available outside of NCBI or designated sites to display it, which is forbidden and stated so on the NCBI site.

As for your comment about his quote on the origin of life research, I couldn't find any such statement. He does mention the origin of species several time, which is the title of Darwin's work. And I saw nothing about Koonin putting down evolution. All he did was provide a bit of history of what has been learned at the centennial of the publication and what has been learned between the 100 yr. and 150 yr. mark. He even states that the next 50 yrs. will show even more developments and changes of understanding.

I would suggest messaging the moderator who discussed this with you and ask for clarification, and cite my posts concerning this discussion if you like. I certainly don't know, but I think there may be a misunderstanding on what the moderator was conveying, but for sure, posting the entire article here was a really big no no. Good luck.

Ahhhhh, I see. Yes, we can never put the entire article up.