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(In case you can't tell, "circle nutters" was the term I used for the people who "investigate" circles for weird physics and paranormal activity and didn't find "Doug and Dave".)
So don't investigate?
Is that your point?
How many scientist (nutters?) investigated ESP and other psychic phenomena in the 70s?
And are UFO investigators "nutters" as well?
It was a perfectly fine, but dead, thread with an unanswered promise to provide evidence of things that physics can't explain and someone proposes something explainable by simple crop mechanics. Call an Ag. Engineer who builds harvesters.
What is there to investigate.
Crop circles are made by guys with stomping boards and measuring ropes during the night.
They have admitted as such.
No majik involved.
I think the point you're totally missing is that ... yes ... most crop circles can be imitated by people.
But there are some (1%?) that need further investigation.
Are they like the 1% of UFOs that "need investigating". The :unexplainable: ones, even the ones that turn out to be birds flying a couple clicks above the ocean?
Fair enough.
Let your guard down.
But if a crop circle appeared in your backyard, would you call for a scientist? or would you call the police?
If I read you correctly, you'd call law enforcement ... right?
I wouldn't need to call a scientist as I is one. If someone damaged my crop and called losses, I would call the police. Alternatively, I might sell access to my newly spiffed up field.
I retracts my complaint and cease in the processIt was a perfectly fine, but dead, thread with an unanswered promise to provide evidence of things that physics can't explain and someone proposes something explainable by simple crop mechanics. Call an Ag. Engineer who builds harvesters.
A crop circle doesn't sound supernatural.
Those who will can find it proved anywhere of course.
A few years ago I had to investigate a problem which potentially could have shut down production of Toyota Camrys in Australia.Is this assessment before or after "crop nutters" risked their reputations investigating them?
One-size explanations fit all, huh?
Is this how science really works?
Crop circle explanations:
- weather phenomenon
- pranks
- electromagnetic effects
supernatural
Ultimately the problem was solved using science and engineering, at a superficial level the phenomenon had all the earmarks of being a supernatural event.
Your post is a textbook example of apophenia.I'm glad the problem was found and fixed.
This sounds to me like you're describing a single source.
Find the source of the problem, fix it, and voila, all future problems of this sort go away.
But crop circles are different.
Some are explained by pranksters, some by the weather, some by electromagnetic phenomenon, leaving about what, one percent or so unexplained?
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
1. Satan makes a crop circle.
2. Lest he be exposed, he diverts attention away from it by:
3. Scientists check them out, conclude it was the weather, electromagnetic activity, and pranksters.
- Using the weather.
- Using electromagnetic activity.
- Having pranksters make imitations.
And behold, the REAL CIRCLES slip by.
Now ... today ... Satan can make more, and people will just shrug it off; and anyone seriously investigating them will be "circle nutters."
And Satan laughs all the way to the bank, so to speak.
Your post is a textbook example of apophenia.
"tares" are weeds. The designs in crop circles aren't weeds, they are knocked down plants.I'm glad the problem was found and fixed.
This sounds to me like you're describing a single source.
Find the source of the problem, fix it, and voila, all future problems of this sort go away.
But crop circles are different.
Some are explained by pranksters, some by the weather, some by electromagnetic phenomenon, leaving about what, one percent or so unexplained?
Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Umm, sure, it does.1. Satan makes a crop circle.
None of the "crop circles" have patterns from weather, they all explicitly look designed. That's why people think they are aliens, etc.2. Lest he be exposed, he diverts attention away from it by:
- Using the weather.
Only if you count people as "electromagnetic activity" (since electromagnetism keeps people from imploding gravitationally.)
- Using electromagnetic activity.
Satan made me do it?
- Having pranksters make imitations.
You have very weird obsessions. If this is what "satan" does to do his "evil" then he is a pretty toothless villain.3. Scientists check them out, conclude it was the weather, electromagnetic activity, and pranksters.
And behold, the REAL CIRCLES slip by.
Now ... today ... Satan can make more, and people will just shrug it off; and anyone seriously investigating them will be "circle nutters."
And Satan laughs all the way to the bank, so to speak.
I don't know. There have been various suggestions, such as vacuum fluctuations, colliding branes, our universe being a black hole in another universe, and even creation by a god, but, so far as I am aware, nobody really knows.I didn't intend to have a Theological discussion. That is why I posted this thread in the Science forum.
What do you infer created the universe?
Proof?Creation requires a creator, so you are stll
talking theology.
Let's apply your level of apophenia to the Toyota Camry issue where it was reported when headlamps were manually turned off at night they automatically came back on.
Relying on the supernatural is operating in an intellectual vacuum ...
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