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(In case you can't tell, "circle nutters" was the term I used for the people who "investigate" circles for weird physics and paranormal activity and didn't find "Doug and Dave".)

So don't investigate?

Is that your point?

How many scientist (nutters?) investigated ESP and other psychic phenomena in the 70s?

And are UFO investigators "nutters" as well?
 
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So don't investigate?

Is that your point?

How many scientist (nutters?) investigated ESP and other psychic phenomena in the 70s?

And are UFO investigators "nutters" as well?

What is there to investigate. Crop circles are made by guys with stomping boards and measuring ropes during the night. They have admitted as such. No majik involved.
 
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It was a perfectly fine, but dead, thread with an unanswered promise to provide evidence of things that physics can't explain and someone proposes something explainable by simple crop mechanics. Call an Ag. Engineer who builds harvesters.

I think the point you're totally missing is that ... yes ... most crop circles can be imitated by people.

But there are some (1%?) that need further investigation.
 
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I think the point you're totally missing is that ... yes ... most crop circles can be imitated by people.

But there are some (1%?) that need further investigation.

Are they like the 1% of UFOs that "need investigating". The :unexplainable: ones, even the ones that turn out to be birds flying a couple clicks above the ocean?
 
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Are they like the 1% of UFOs that "need investigating". The :unexplainable: ones, even the ones that turn out to be birds flying a couple clicks above the ocean?

Fair enough.

Let your guard down.

But if a crop circle appeared in your backyard, would you call for a scientist? or would you call the police?

If I read you correctly, you'd call law enforcement ... right?
 
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Fair enough.

Let your guard down.

But if a crop circle appeared in your backyard, would you call for a scientist? or would you call the police?

If I read you correctly, you'd call law enforcement ... right?

I wouldn't need to call a scientist as I is one. If someone damaged my crop and called losses, I would call the police. Alternatively, I might sell access to my newly spiffed up field.
 
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I wouldn't need to call a scientist as I is one. If someone damaged my crop and called losses, I would call the police. Alternatively, I might sell access to my newly spiffed up field.

Fair enough.
 
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It was a perfectly fine, but dead, thread with an unanswered promise to provide evidence of things that physics can't explain and someone proposes something explainable by simple crop mechanics. Call an Ag. Engineer who builds harvesters.
I retracts my complaint and cease in the process
to wait for what isnt coming.

Strange to say i own some cropland in Nebraska USA.

I got a lesson in how amazingly computerized
centre- pivot irrigation is and the strange wonderful
machines that study whete/ how much to fertilze,
Laser zap weeeds....

A crop circle doesnt sound supernatural.

Those who will can find it proved anywhere of course
 
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A crop circle doesn't sound supernatural.

Is this assessment before or after "crop nutters" risked their reputations investigating them?

Those who will can find it proved anywhere of course.

One-size explanations fit all, huh?

Is this how science really works?

Crop circle explanations:
  1. weather phenomenon
  2. pranks
  3. electromagnetic effects
  4. supernatural
 
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Is this assessment before or after "crop nutters" risked their reputations investigating them?



One-size explanations fit all, huh?

Is this how science really works?

Crop circle explanations:
  1. weather phenomenon
  2. pranks
  3. electromagnetic effects
  4. supernatural
A few years ago I had to investigate a problem which potentially could have shut down production of Toyota Camrys in Australia.
In the days before automatic activation of headlights became a standard in cars, reports came out of the field of headlights automatically turning on.
While this was a serious problem, a potentially far worse scenario involving vehicle safety was headlamps turning off and remaining inactive while driving at night.
Ultimately the problem was solved using science and engineering, at a superficial level the phenomenon had all the earmarks of being a supernatural event.
Science doesn't rely on the supernatural which if used in this particular case would not have led to a resolution of the problem.
If anyone is interested I can describe how theoretical science, experimental science and engineering came together to solve the problem.
 
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Ultimately the problem was solved using science and engineering, at a superficial level the phenomenon had all the earmarks of being a supernatural event.

I'm glad the problem was found and fixed.

This sounds to me like you're describing a single source.

Find the source of the problem, fix it, and voila, all future problems of this sort go away.

But crop circles are different.

Some are explained by pranksters, some by the weather, some by electromagnetic phenomenon, leaving about what, one percent or so unexplained?

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

1. Satan makes a crop circle.
2. Lest he be exposed, he diverts attention away from it by:
  • Using the weather.
  • Using electromagnetic activity.
  • Having pranksters make imitations.
3. Scientists check them out, conclude it was the weather, electromagnetic activity, and pranksters.

And behold, the REAL CIRCLES slip by.

Now ... today ... Satan can make more, and people will just shrug it off; and anyone seriously investigating them will be "circle nutters."

And Satan laughs all the way to the bank, so to speak.
 
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I'm glad the problem was found and fixed.

This sounds to me like you're describing a single source.

Find the source of the problem, fix it, and voila, all future problems of this sort go away.

But crop circles are different.

Some are explained by pranksters, some by the weather, some by electromagnetic phenomenon, leaving about what, one percent or so unexplained?

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

1. Satan makes a crop circle.
2. Lest he be exposed, he diverts attention away from it by:
  • Using the weather.
  • Using electromagnetic activity.
  • Having pranksters make imitations.
3. Scientists check them out, conclude it was the weather, electromagnetic activity, and pranksters.

And behold, the REAL CIRCLES slip by.

Now ... today ... Satan can make more, and people will just shrug it off; and anyone seriously investigating them will be "circle nutters."

And Satan laughs all the way to the bank, so to speak.
Your post is a textbook example of apophenia.

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I'm glad the problem was found and fixed.

This sounds to me like you're describing a single source.

Find the source of the problem, fix it, and voila, all future problems of this sort go away.

But crop circles are different.

Some are explained by pranksters, some by the weather, some by electromagnetic phenomenon, leaving about what, one percent or so unexplained?

Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
"tares" are weeds. The designs in crop circles aren't weeds, they are knocked down plants.
1. Satan makes a crop circle.
Umm, sure, it does.
2. Lest he be exposed, he diverts attention away from it by:
  • Using the weather.
None of the "crop circles" have patterns from weather, they all explicitly look designed. That's why people think they are aliens, etc.
  • Using electromagnetic activity.
Only if you count people as "electromagnetic activity" (since electromagnetism keeps people from imploding gravitationally.)
  • Having pranksters make imitations.
Satan made me do it?
3. Scientists check them out, conclude it was the weather, electromagnetic activity, and pranksters.

And behold, the REAL CIRCLES slip by.

Now ... today ... Satan can make more, and people will just shrug it off; and anyone seriously investigating them will be "circle nutters."

And Satan laughs all the way to the bank, so to speak.
You have very weird obsessions. If this is what "satan" does to do his "evil" then he is a pretty toothless villain.
 
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I didn't intend to have a Theological discussion. That is why I posted this thread in the Science forum.

What do you infer created the universe?
I don't know. There have been various suggestions, such as vacuum fluctuations, colliding branes, our universe being a black hole in another universe, and even creation by a god, but, so far as I am aware, nobody really knows.
 
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And yours is a textbook example of head in the sand.

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Let's apply your level of apophenia to the Toyota Camry issue where it was reported when headlamps were manually turned off at night they automatically came back on.

According to John 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
There you have it, the Toyota Camry problem could be described as being supernatural with John 1:5 being a portent of the problem.

What makes this any different to your assertion crop circles can be caused by a mischievous Satan according to Matthew 13:25?
If I reported the Toyota Camry problem as some supernatural event as predicted in John 1:5, I would be been sacked and committed on the spot.

Relying on the supernatural is operating in an intellectual vacuum and as far back as the 6th century BC the ancient Greeks realized in order to understand the world one needed to forgo the supernatural and to use one's intellect to make sense of the world instead.
 
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Relying on the supernatural is operating in an intellectual vacuum ...

You have no idea what you're dealing with.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

His intellect and knowledge base would make Watson and Stockfish drool.
 
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