Science Only Works in a Biblical Worldview- Evolution Cannot Account for Science

[tas8831]

Don’t feed the quote bot.

Indeed. A regular troll-spammatron:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/show...al-Creation-vs-Evolution-the-age-of-the-Earth

 

[tas8831]

The thought does scare many.

"Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."
-Charles Darwin


“I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well informed people I know are religious believers. It inset just that I dont believe in god and naturally, hope there is no god, I dont want there to be a god, I dont wont the universe to be like that.
-Philosopher Thomas nagel the last word,oxford university press new york 1997 p 30

“I suppose the reason we why we lept at the orgin of species was that the idea of god interfered with our sexual mores-
-sir julien Huxley


“People dont believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”
-Malcolm Muggeridge

Cool - especially the journalist quote.

Which YEC website did you 'borrow' those from?

I find that people that base their entire argument/all of their arguments on copy-pasting really have no argument to make.

 

[tas8831]

My personal intellectual honesty would no longer allow me to continue lying to myself by making excuses.

When do you think that will kick in re: your 'hybridization all the way down' fantasies?

 

[tas8831]

That will be addressed in a future thread.

Which you will copy-paste from where, written by whom?

 

[tas8831]

When in doubt, resort to logical fallacies for your opponents [majority opinion]. Doesn't actually score any points, but it makes you feel better, no doubt.



I am not here to "score point" in a creation vs evolution debate, future threads will do that. I will also address in depth your above argument when those proper threads come along.

“Simply put most people believe in evolution because most people believe in evolution. It is all they have ever been taught. If creation is ever mentioned it is ridiculed and unfairly catheterized, thus, evolution is assumed, not proved and creation is denied, not refuted”
-John Morris The Young earth

“He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”
- Albert Einstein

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
― Mark Twain

Quote-fest 2018!

How about a contest - see who can find the most original sources of the soon-to-be-unleashed copy-pasting/out-of-context quoting!

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

Which does not explain why the vast majority of Christians, who most definitely believe in a creator outside of creation, also reject biblical creationism.

Not really the topic but that answer is very easy.

“The western world have never had the chance to learn creation thinking and know only evolution. Naturalism enjoys a virtual monopoly in today's classrooms, while instructors who have been schooled only in naturalistic worldview play the part of evolutionary evangelist.”
-John D Morris and Frank J Sherwin The Fossil Record 2017

Heresyphobia- Fear of deviation from traditional doctrine.
Gnosiophobia- Fear of knowledge.
Phronemophobia- Fear of thinking

“Absolute stranglehold materialistic atheism has on every thought that is allowed to be considered in the scientific and educational realms. This makes the American classroom one of the most censored, thought-controlled locations on the planet.”
-John Morris and Frank Sherwin The Fossil Record: Unearthing Nature's History of Life 2017

“powerful human erge to belong inside the group to think like the majority...and to win the groups approval by trashing dissenters conformity and group think are attitudes of particular danger in science. Because progression depends on overturning established wisdom”
-new york times 23 july 2009

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

My worldview involves a sort of Neoplatonic procession and return--I think computation and physical laws (including evolution) can be best made sense of by giving priority to structure over matter, and that the world as we experience it is emergent from that. It is a theistic worldview (since structure by itself is causally inert), but one that is independent of revelation. But my point is that while modern science did indeed develop in the heart of Catholic scholasticism, if you actually look at scholastic thought, you will see far more of Aristotle than of a strictly biblical worldview. If science needs a metaphysical foundation (and I strongly agree that it does), we can get far more mileage out of drawing from classical Greek thought than we can by looking at the Bible.

And there's a lot of stuff out there if you ditch atomistic materialism. There are some brilliant atheistic Aristotelian metaphysicists defending old ideas like universals and essentialism. There are physicist-philosophers in search of a Theory of Everything that unapologetically argue for Pythagorean idealism. You're fighting the ghost of scientific positivism here, which is frankly just boring. Non-theists have far more to contribute to the debate than just that.

Does a more biblical view have anything going for it? I actually think it does, in that it's the only ancient approach I'm familiar with that denies that the universe is eternal, but we have never needed the belief that the universe had a beginning to do science.

I was more concerned with justification for science. So how does your worldview justify what i applied to biblical creation only, in my op as.

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

Perhaps you could consider not misrepresenting evolution so as to have a more reality-based outlook on such matters? It would also help with your credibility.

Another thing that would help your credibility is not copy-pasting the work of others without attribution.

Or here.
People tend to find such antics to be a sign of ignorance and desperation.

Lol, that is actually me. I get around.

 

[Speedwell]

Not really the topic but that answer is very easy.

“The western world have never had the chance to learn creation thinking and know only evolution. Naturalism enjoys a virtual monopoly in today's classrooms, while instructors who have been schooled only in naturalistic worldview play the part of evolutionary evangelist.”
-John D Morris and Frank J Sherwin The Fossil Record 2017

Heresyphobia- Fear of deviation from traditional doctrine.
Gnosiophobia- Fear of knowledge.
Phronemophobia- Fear of thinking

“Absolute stranglehold materialistic atheism has on every thought that is allowed to be considered in the scientific and educational realms. This makes the American classroom one of the most censored, thought-controlled locations on the planet.”
-John Morris and Frank Sherwin The Fossil Record: Unearthing Nature's History of Life 2017

“powerful human erge to belong inside the group to think like the majority...and to win the groups approval by trashing dissenters conformity and group think are attitudes of particular danger in science. Because progression depends on overturning established wisdom”
-new york times 23 july 2009

That's not an answer, it's a self-justifying copy-and-paste from the son of the inventor of creationism.

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

That's not an answer, it's a self-justifying copy-and-paste from the son of the inventor of creationism.

and true.

 

[Silmarien]

I was more concerned with justification for science. So how does your worldview justify what i applied to biblical creation only, in my op as.

The real question is how does biblical creationism uniquely provide a justification for science? You haven't explained why anyone should care about what the Bible has to say, beyond talking about an intelligent creator, which is not remotely unique to Scripture.

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

The real question is how does biblical creationism uniquely provide a justification for science? You haven't explained why anyone should care about what the Bible has to say, beyond talking about an intelligent creator, which is not remotely unique to Scripture.

if you think my op lacks anything specific let me know.

 

[tas8831]

Lol, that is actually me. I get around.

So why do you think your quote-bombing will work here when it didn't seem to work anywhere else?

And do you really think quote-bombing is a meaningful form of discussion/argument?

 

[tas8831]

That's not an answer, it's a self-justifying copy-and-paste from the son of the inventor of creationism.

And why I find quote-bombers to be among the least prepared and most annoying of the creationist warriors...

 

[VirOptimus]

I was more concerned with justification for science. So how does your worldview justify what i applied to biblical creation only, in my op as.

Your OP and all your other posts are you trying to mix religion and science. This doenst work as they work under different paradigms.

Invoking magic (god(s)) in a scientific debate is an autoloss. Using science (which is a description of physical reality) in an religious debate is not applicable as religion is all about metaphysics.

If you want to challange the ToE (or any other established science) write an article for peer-review, if you cant then your views doesnt matter.

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

Your OP and all your other posts are you trying to mix religion and science. This doenst work as they work under different paradigms.

Invoking magic (god(s)) in a scientific debate is an autoloss. Using science (which is a description of physical reality) in an religious debate is not applicable as religion is all about metaphysics.

If you want to challange the ToE (or any other established science) write an article for peer-review, if you cant then your views doesnt matter.

I would say evolutionist are trying to mix biblical creation worldview and assumptions with their faith in evolution because evolution can not provide the foundation for science. Science would be impossible were evolution true so they must steal from creation ideas about the world in order to do science.

Magic being invoked is by the evolutionist in fact as future threads will show. Invoking biblical worldview ideas about how nature works so science is possible, has given us science and i wont apologize for that.


As for your claim of science is naturalism. I would say no that is what the religious faith of materialistic naturalist [a religious worldview] degrade science [ knowledge gained by observation and demonstration] to be. But a clear folly of that is my op. From a naturalistic worldview, how can you justify science?

That is not this topic. But when i do, peer reviewed sources will be used.

 

[VirOptimus]

I would say evolutionist are trying to mix biblical creation worldview and assumptions with their faith in evolution because evolution can not provide the foundation for science. Science would be impossible were evolution true so they must steal from creation ideas about the world in order to do science.

Magic being invoked is by the evolutionist in fact as future threads will show. Invoking biblical worldview ideas about how nature works so science is possible, has given us science and i wont apologize for that.


As for your claim of science is naturalism. I would say no that is what the religious faith of materialistic naturalist [a religious worldview] degrade science [ knowledge gained by observation and demonstration] to be. But a clear folly of that is my op. From a naturalistic worldview, how can you justify science?

That is not this topic. But when i do, peer reviewed sources will be used.

No, ýou are quite simply wrong.

Science is just a description of physical reality, not accepting science is denying physical reality. In my opinion, thats stupid.

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

No, ýou are quite simply wrong.

Science is just a description of physical reality, not accepting science is denying physical reality. In my opinion, thats stupid.

"not accepting science is denying physical reality. In my opinion, thats stupid."


On this we fully agree. I look forward to you defending your belief it seems that evolution is backed by science and not contrary to it.

 

[VirOptimus]

"not accepting science is denying physical reality. In my opinion, thats stupid."


On this we fully agree. I look forward to you defending your belief it seems that evolution is backed by science and not contrary to it.

I dont need to defend anything, its you who are in error, not me. And I’m not responsible for your education.

The ToE is incredibly robust and supported by enormous amount of data and research.

 

[Tolkien R.R.J]

I dont need to defend anything, its you who are in error, not me. And I’m not responsible for your education.

The ToE is incredibly robust and supported by enormous amount of data and research.

Great thread to support your claims found right here.

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...en-demonstrated.8075785/page-13#post-73024461