Science has proven....!!!!!!!

[pjnlsn]

"Imagine no possessions" ..... I don't think he tried very hard to imagine that one

You mean do? Well, I wasn't saying he was a perfect person or something. Wasn't saying he was Jesus.

Just that he had an idea, and I think it was a nice idea, if a bit nieve.

 

[SkyWriting]

Perhaps he's not tolerant, then.

What he's talking about, and what he wants (or wanted) was for everyone to live together in harmony. And towards that purpose he envisioned that all of the things that divide people be gone.

And his attitude is one of the biggest. He's not looking at the man
in the mirror, or asking him to change his ways. He's asking everyone
else to change their ways and join his "club". Those who don't are excluded.

It's OK. Lots of people don't see it.
They want the world to change to suit their idea of a perfect world.

 

[SkyWriting]

You mean do? Well, I wasn't saying he was a perfect person or something. Wasn't saying he was Jesus.

Just that he had an idea, and I think it was a nice idea, if a bit nieve.

It's RUDE to ask others to think like you to be happy.

Change thine own sad attitude to find happiness and unity with the rest of the world.

 

[theFijian]

You mean do? Well, I wasn't saying he was a perfect person or something. Wasn't saying he was Jesus.

Just that he had an idea, and I think it was a nice idea, if a bit nieve.

He wasn't being naive, he clearly had no intention of really having no possessions.

 

[Assyrian]

He wasn't being naive, he clearly had no intention of really having no possessions.

Haven't you seen the video? Great big country house nothing in it except a piano?

 

[theFijian]

Haven't you seen the video? Great big country house nothing in it except a piano?

Oh aye, wonder how much he got for the house?

 

[TasManOfGod]

I think to be a proper idealist you have to imagine that there is a heaven and there is a hell and heaven is full and hell is empty

 

[Assyrian]

Oh aye, wonder how much he got for the house?

Hard to say, there was a sign saying "this does not exist".

 

[Smidlee]

It's RUDE to ask others to think like you to be happy.

Change thine own sad attitude to find happiness and unity with the rest of the world.

He asking everyone to join him and be as one. Doesn't that sound familiar?

 

[drjean]

I've been an atheist all my life (my mother is a christian; she never goes to church though), and it was long before I even heard of Hitchens, Dawkins, Sam Harris etc. I dont take anything they say as being true without having thought about it carefully. For instance, I disagree with much of what Hitchens says about politics.



Saying atheism is a religion is like saying not playing basketball is a sport, or that "off" is a TV channel.

The burden of proof is on the believers to prove their god(s), or anything supernatural in the first place. There are so many religions, holy texts etc. that it would be silly to favor one over the others.

Proof of an Almighty God? Be careful what you wish for...

1 Kings 18:38-39 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that [was] in the trench. (39) And when all the people saw [it], they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he [is] the God; the LORD, he [is] the God.

And KABOOM!!! The fire of the LORD fell and burned up the whole thing- sacrifice, wood, stones, water, and dust. In startling contrast to the mute response of the false idol Baal, God speaks and speaks mightily. The people fell on their faces and replied with the confession “The LORD, he is the God!” And then the prophets of Baal get their due.

1 Kings 18:40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there. (450 unbelievers/ mockers of God)

 

[pjnlsn]

He wasn't being naive, he clearly had no intention of really having no possessions.

That's not what that word means.

Like I said:

I wasn't making him out to be a perfect person or anything, I wasn't saying he was Jesus.

Just that he had an idea, and I think it was a nice idea, everyone living together in harmony, if a bit nieve.

 

[pjnlsn]

Proof of an Almighty God? Be careful what you wish for...

Do you believe everything you hear, or read?

 

[pjnlsn]

And his attitude is one of the biggest. He's not looking at the man
in the mirror, or asking him to change his ways. He's asking everyone
else to change their ways and join his "club". Those who don't are excluded.

It's OK. Lots of people don't see it.
They want the world to change to suit their idea of a perfect world.

Ah, but he's not asking that. He's imagining what the world would be like if, all those beliefs and creeds which divide people were not there, and the world could "live as one."

It's RUDE to ask others to think like you to be happy.

Change thine own sad attitude to find happiness and unity with the rest of the world.

Ah, but, again, what Lennon is envisioning is not a man pretending that the world lives in unity, but a world that actually lives in unity.

Like I said, a bit nieve, but it's a nice thought.

Though some people who derive their own happiness from those beliefs which divide may be offended by the idea.

 

[TasManOfGod]

Ah, but he's not asking that. He's imagining what the world would be like if, all those beliefs and creeds which divide people were not there, and the world could "live as one."



Ah, but, again, what Lennon is envisioning is not a man pretending that the world lives in unity, but a world that actually lives in unity.

Like I said, a bit nieve, but it's a nice thought.

Though some people who derive their own happiness from those beliefs which divide may be offended by the idea.

The problem that JL has is that he leaves God out of the equation. That is a recipe for disaster -not unity. Don't you believe that God who created all things has the right to redeem His creation back to Himself?

 

[SkyWriting]

He asking everyone to join him and be as one. Doesn't that sound familiar?

As I said, one needs to change themselves.
God grant me the wisdom to know I can't change the world around me.

 

[pjnlsn]

The problem that JL has is that he leaves God out of the equation. That is a recipe for disaster -not unity. Don't you believe that God who created all things has the right to redeem His creation back to Himself?

The exact line is "and no religion too". He leaves things which divide people out of his scenario.

Which is the point of the song.

 

[pjnlsn]

As I said, one needs to change themselves.

Well, Lennon isn't trying to imagine a world where *he* has a perfect life, while others divide everything up, and some starve while other people grow fat, he's imaging a *world* where *everyone* lives as one.

I think the latter is much more pleasing to consider than the former. Especially since me and Lennon......are different people.

God grant me the wisdom to know I can't change the world around me.

He is an idealist. Like I said, I think it's quaint. I think he had a nice idea.

Wouldn't you like living in a world where everyone got along? Or where no one starved while others were gluttonous?

 

[TasManOfGod]

The exact line is "and no religion too". He leaves things which divide people out of his scenario.

Which is the point of the song.

And my point is that atheism divides people also

 

[pjnlsn]

And my point is that atheism divides people also

I'm not sure this statement is equivalent to the statements of your last post. Like I said, as to him leaving out a god, he's leaving out religion, and, more generally, that which divides people.

As to what you said above: Atheism as in? The word has many different contexts.

For example, you could define Atheism as "leaving god out of the equation," per:

The problem that JL has is that he leaves God out of the equation.

In this case, see my first sentence above.

Otherwise, however, I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[lucaspa]

Hi guys,

For all of you on the, 'science has proven' track. Here ya go:

Science and religion: God didn't make man; man made gods - Los Angeles Times

Miamited, claims are independent. Saying "science has proven evolution happened" doesn't mean we have to agree that "science has proven man made gods". Those are 2 separate claims. The first has overwhelming evidence from God's Creation to back it. The second does not.

There certainly is considerable research on possible ways religion could have arisen in the absence of the existence of deity. However, none of them definitively show that there is no deity. The existence of deity can also explain all the data. So I'm afraid the article is a biased "summary" of the research. It's what the author wishes the data showed, not what it actually shows.

For instance, Persinga has done a lot of work on "sensed presence". He has found a combination of electromagnetic fields that, if a person is subjected to this combination, they will sense the presence of a being that is not there. This is often claimed, even by Persinga, that it shows that God does not exist.

However, the reason this has not gained traction within the scientific community is that the fields are so complex and precise they don't occur in nature. Thus, no person would ever be subjected to the fields outside Persinga's apparatus. Therefore the work doesn't explain why people have a sensed presence when no one is there.