Science falsely so called documentary

[Speedwell]

Did you read between the lines? Actually all you need to do is expound on what is written. For example I think we can safely assume that Noah was wearing clothes, although the story failed to mention this 'important detail'. The story isn't a course in ark-building, just a brief account with a few important details to get us started.

Expound? You mean speculate about how the story could be true, based on the egregious assumption that it is supposed to be taken as 100% accurate literal history. Expound away, but be aware that it will be taken as your own unevidenced personal opinion.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Expound? You mean speculate about how the story could be true, based on the egregious assumption that it is supposed to be taken as 100% accurate literal history. Expound away, but be aware that it will be taken as your own unevidenced personal opinion.

Where do I sign?

 

[Brightmoon]

The ark had a huge cargo capacity which can be reasonably calculated. As stated before the ark didn't have to be "seaworthy" according to normal ship standards as it wasn't ship; and it wasn't constructed like a ship. Once again I refer you to the actual story (note that the story hasn't changed in 4000 or so years).

seaworthy meaning it floats and doesn’t capsize. No wooden vessel of that size would meet that criteria. It would break apart

 

[Brightmoon]

Please. The ToE is riddled with such.

please demonstrate some

 

[Brightmoon]

That all depends on the nature of those floods. Regardless of volume, slow moving water encroaching equally from all sides will leave little evidence. On the other hand small violent flash floods flowing in one direction can leave lots of evidence. Also much of the flood evidence you refer to might actually be remnants of Noah's flood, as that's the kind of evidence that flood would leave; a little here and there.

slow moving water would leave fine sediment . Either biological, biochemical or geological. Where’s your worldwide sedimentary layer?

By the way chronic wasting disease is a ‘mad cow’ type prion disease

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sea beds rose slowly over several months spilling water over the entire earth to a depth great enough to drown all air breathing critters. It then receded at about the same rate, leaving only local evidence.

Since land is not perfectly even that would not happen. And you gave no explanation for where the water came from or where it went to. When you said that it came from the deeps that is a claim that you cooked Noah.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The bible describes a great, slow moving flood. It was 'violent' in the sense of the deaths it caused. You really have to look at that aspect scientifically.

No, it describes a very very violent flood. Have you checked out the rates that it says that it occurred at? Forty days to cover the highest mountains. That is over five miles of water in forty days. Call it 750 feet a day. A foot of rain in a day causes flooding and you want a rate over 700 times that and don't expect it to leave a mark.

Let's talk biology for a little while. The fact that you cannot get an organ transplant without intense screening to find a match also refutes the flood story. You probably did not know that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Likely three quarters or more under water. You do know that it's when wood is dry that it shrinks and leaks (of course you knew that).

It also leaks when the boats twists as it moves through the waves. The Wyoming, made with the best modern technology needed powered pumps to keep it afloat. And it was reinforced with steel.



Thanks for reminding us that ship building refutes the flood story as well

 

[OldWiseGuy]

please demonstrate some

Changes at the molecular level required for the type of changes evolution proposes, along with the mechanism of those changes. I have demonstrated this before with this 'equation'.

Code- 'dots' equal small changes needed to accomplish large changes. Evolution presents only large changes, thus.

Original organism.........................large change...................large change.........................large change...................................large change.....................................etc.

(Small changes are abbreviated due to limited space.)

 

[OldWiseGuy]

slow moving water would leave fine sediment . Either biological, biochemical or geological. Where’s your worldwide sedimentary layer?

As the flood receded it would break down into many local floods, as is seen in the geologic record. The evidence of these local floods would then be changed or degraded over time by the various weathering events into individual flood events that show widely varying characteristics and ages . Thus there would be no uniform flood evidence, even in the mountaintops.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It also leaks when the boats twists as it moves through the waves. The Wyoming, made with the best modern technology needed powered pumps to keep it afloat. And it was reinforced with steel.



Thanks for reminding us that ship building refutes the flood story as well

What waves? God stopped the waves by causing it to rain for 40 days (this would stop the wind, which causes waves). This protected the ark.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it describes a very very violent flood. Have you checked out the rates that it says that it occurred at? Forty days to cover the highest mountains. That is over five miles of water in forty days. Call it 750 feet a day. A foot of rain in a day causes flooding and you want a rate over 700 times that and don't expect it to leave a mark.

The rain was just a preamble to the flood, and had several other purposes:

Provide fresh water for the ark.
Swell the boards of the ark to a watertight state.
Quell the wind by equalizing atmospheric pressure (which the flood would do when the rain stopped).

The water didn't reach the ark until 40 days of rain had passed. It then took months for the slow moving flood to reach full depth.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Thanks for reminding us that ship building refutes the flood story as well

Apples and oranges. Consider the terminology.

Ark- a boxlike superstructure with floors, a window, a door, and rooms.

Ship- a hull, decks, portals, hatchways, and cabins.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What waves? God stopped the waves by causing it to rain for 40 days (this would stop the wind, which causes waves). This protected the ark.

Please, if you are just going to say "magic" every time that you run into difficulty then I have to agree with others that all you have is hot air.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The rain was just a preamble to the flood, and had several other purposes:

Provide fresh water for the ark.
Swell the boards of the ark to a watertight state.
Quell the wind by equalizing atmospheric pressure (which the flood would do when the rain stopped).

The water didn't reach the ark until 40 days of rain had passed. It then took months for the slow moving flood to reach full depth.

You really do not have a clue.

Try not to spout unsupported nonsense. You should be trying to learn why we know that there was no flood, not making excuses for it.


And you are still cooking Noah and family to a crisp. We are not talking about a slight first degree burn, we are talking live steam heated almost to the dissociation point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Apples and oranges. Consider the terminology.

Ark- a boxlike superstructure with floors, a window, a door, and rooms.

Ship- a hull, decks, portals, hatchways, and cabins.

You are right, the ship would be much stronger. The Ark would have sunk like a rock.

Now, how about the fact that kidney transplants refute the flood story?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Please, if you are just going to say "magic" every time that you run into difficulty then I have to agree with others that all you have is hot air.

God does work his magic mostly by tweeking the material world and the laws of physics.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God does work his magic mostly by tweeking the material world and the laws of physics.

Good, then you are back to saying that the Flood never happened. You do realize that if it is a morality tale that it still could be said to fit the verse on being "God inspired", don't you?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You are right, the ship would be much stronger. The Ark would have sunk like a rock.

Mmmmm, a super strong watertight structure sinking like a rock in calm water...curious.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Good, then you are back to saying that the Flood never happened. You do realize that if it is a morality tale that it still could be said to fit the verse on being "God inspired", don't you?

Why tell an unbelievable story as an object lesson? That's like equating God with Santa Claus.