Science and Art

[Diamond72]

Math is deeply embedded in many aspects of art, from the use of the golden ratio in classical paintings to the intricate symmetry in Islamic geometric patterns. Artists like Leonardo da Vinci, who famously applied mathematical principles to his works, demonstrated how math can enhance beauty and precision in art. (copilot)

Stephen Ornes is an award-winning science writer and author. His book "Math Art: Truth, Beauty, and Equations" explores the intersection of mathematics and art, showcasing over 80 pieces of artwork inspired by mathematical principles. The book delves into how artists use math to create stunning visual pieces, from crocheted representations of non-Euclidean geometry to massive bronze sculptures.

• Also known as the Divine Proportion, the golden ratio is a mathematical ratio that was often used by Renaissance artists to create balance and beauty.

They say we know it is true because it is so beautiful. I think beauty in people has to do with proportion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can someone flunk math in high school and still be a good artist?

 

[Diamond72]

Can someone flunk math in high school and still be a good artist?

Aesthetics is a branch of philosophy that deals with the nature of beauty, art, and taste, as well as the creation and appreciation of beauty. It explores how humans perceive and experience beauty, and it delves into the principles that make something aesthetically pleasing.

We do not have to be able to do the math. Some people just have a feel for what is good and right and true. In carpentry, the term "true" refers to the precision and accuracy.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So what's your point?

 

[d taylor]

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So are you just speaking of specifically visual art, because the word art covers quite a few areas.

 

[AV1611VET]

 

[d taylor]

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I guess you like M.C. Escher

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[Diamond72]

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So are you just speaking of specifically visual art, because the word art covers quite a few areas.

• Geometry in Motion: Artworks that use geometric shapes and patterns to create visually appealing designs.
• Fractals: Complex, repeating patterns that are created using mathematical formulas.
• Non-Euclidean Geometry: Representations of geometric concepts that differ from traditional Euclidean geometry, such as a crocheted piece that resembles sea coral.
• 3D-Printed Objects: Art pieces that give physical form to abstract mathematical theories.
• Space-Filling Curves: Large sculptures, like a 65-ton bronze sculpture, that cover surfaces in intricate, continuous curves.
• Mathematical Solutions: Artworks that incorporate solutions to mathematical problems, such as Andy Warhol's work being linked to the Traveling Salesman Problem

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The title of the thread is about SCIENCE and art. But all I see being talked about is mathematics, and even then it's not talked about well. What is the point of the thread?

 

[AV1611VET]

The title of the thread is about SCIENCE and art. But all I see being talked about is mathematics, and even then it's not talked about well. What is the point of the thread?

From AI Overview:

Science and art are both creative endeavors that involve imagination and innovation, so some say that science is an art form.

Both fields aim to understand and describe the world, but they do so in different ways.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

From AI Overview:

Science and art are both creative endeavors that involve imagination and innovation, so some say that science is an art form.

Both fields aim to understand and describe the world, but they do so in different ways.

I don't care about what answer AI gives you. @Diamond72 created the thread, I want to see what he has to say on the matter.

And once again: stop answering for other people. It comes across as nothing but rude.

 

[Diamond72]

Both fields aim to understand and describe the world, but they do so in different ways.

Romanws 1 20 Tells us that people are without excuse because Creation itself tells them about God. They do not need us to tell them about the Creator.

The discussion has to do with art, science and GOD.

The golden ratio is sometimes referred to as the "Divine Proportion" or "God's Number" in religious and philosophical contexts. This name highlights the belief that the golden ratio reflects a divine order and beauty in the universe, often seen as evidence of intelligent design.

My question is what sort of art can we promote to Sunday school students to lead them to Christ and teach them about God. When I talked to my son's fifth grade math teacher he was very excited about the golden ratio but he became upset when I called it the Divine Proportion and used it to illustrate something religious.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Romanws 1 20 Tells us that people are without excuse because Creation itself tells them about God. They do not need us to tell them about the Creator.

The discussion has to do with art, science and GOD.

The golden ratio is sometimes referred to as the "Divine Proportion" or "God's Number" in religious and philosophical contexts. This name highlights the belief that the golden ratio reflects a divine order and beauty in the universe, often seen as evidence of intelligent design.

My question is what sort of art can we promote to Sunday school students to lead them to Christ and teach them about God. When I talked to my son's fifth grade math teacher he was very excited about the golden ratio but he became upset when I called it the Divine Proportion and used it to illustrate something religious.

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That really does not sound at all like anything to do with science...

 

[J_B_]

That really does not sound at all like anything to do with science...

I get what you're saying. But your comment makes me wonder what you think does have something to do with science?

I see great beauty in science - most often in the mathematics used to communicate it. That is largely what has always driven my interest, with the usefulness of science being a side effect. Beauty causes an ache that makes me want to know it better - to engage with it. That ache could be considered a spiritual thing, were one so inclined. It's a pleasure to discuss such things with people of a similar mind.

If you mean that only doing science is something about science, I suppose it could be viewed that way. I don't happen to see it that way. What about you?

P.S. This will probably sound like an odd digression, so there's no need to reply, but I was inclined to ramble on. The ache that comes with experiencing beauty is essentially the same thing I experience upon meeting a beautiful woman. IIRC, men get a shot of adrenalin when they see a woman, which is what causes them to continue to stare stupidly. Once men realize how uncomfortable that makes women, the mature ones learn to control the impulse. With science there is no being to be offended by my lingering stare, which may be why I work more hours than I get paid for, and also, ironically, why my wife is the only one who motivates me to stop and do other things. That I am so drawn is a curious thing. It may be part of why I admire the Romantics and how they grappled with such things as opposed to the Enlightenment, which seemed to downplay it.

 

[AV1611VET]

 

[J_B_]

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I've seen this before. It's funny, but in my case more because as an engineer I've experienced the sneering of physicists that all I do is apply science. It's much the same as a group of guys trashing each other for the reasons only guys (instinctively) understand.

But there's little truth to it in practice.

What I will say is that I'm not sure sociology belongs on the spectrum. It began as a cult and even now only barely wears the patina of science. The premise has some merit, but it has borne little of value that couldn't be had by Common Sense (per the 18th century meaning of the term). In that regard, in my History of Education class I did a report on a historian who used statistical methods to study the history of immigrant involvement in education in Baltimore. It was an interesting attempt, but, in the end, not very satisfying. Statistics can definitely help historians, but if they become the end all and be all of the method, then history has lost its teeth. I'm glad that I share the opinion of a large school of historians (rather than being a church of one as I so often am) that history is not a science.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I get what you're saying. But your comment makes me wonder what you think does have something to do with science?

I see great beauty in science - most often in the mathematics used to communicate it. That is largely what has always driven my interest, with the usefulness of science being a side effect. Beauty causes an ache that makes me want to know it better - to engage with it. That ache could be considered a spiritual thing, were one so inclined. It's a pleasure to discuss such things with people of a similar mind.

If you mean that only doing science is something about science, I suppose it could be viewed that way. I don't happen to see it that way. What about you?

The title of this thread is 'Science and Art'. Yet all the OP has talked about is maths, and then Sunday School. Neither of those are science.

Science and art sounds like a very interesting topic of conversation, since it's something I've never seen discussed before... and yet that's not what's being talked about.

It's not that hard.

 

[J_B_]

Science and art sounds like a very interesting topic of conversation ...

Feel free to tell me what interests you about the topic. I gave an opening to my view on it - a connection through beauty. How about you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Feel free to tell me what interests you about the topic. I gave an opening to my view on it - a connection through beauty. How about you?

I don't know because it's not something I've seriously thought on because I've never thought on any connection between science and art, which is why I wanted to see what OP had to say about it. Which is apparently nothing.

 

[J_B_]

I don't know because it's not something I've seriously thought on because I've never thought on any connection between science and art, which is why I wanted to see what OP had to say about it. Which is apparently nothing.

Hmm. I made the offer. I was expecting something more like, "I've never thought about it. Tell me more about what you think."