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School Corporal Punishment Poll
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I poked not sure, because while I believe it is sometimes necessary, I have my problems with who exactly would be doing it and under what conditions. I mean, I got spanked as a kid for forgetting my locker combination, so I think that's a little extreme. Basically, I am for corporal punishment, but maybe not at school, unless.... something. I dunno.
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I am against it.
Corporal punishment teached children nothing but that they can solve problems by violence. Nor does it teach them understanding, they avoid the behavior because they want to avoid pain, not because they understand they did something wrong. I don't know about you but I hope my children are smarter than animals and won't need to be taught by causing physical harm.
Corporal punishment teached children nothing but that they can solve problems by violence. Nor does it teach them understanding, they avoid the behavior because they want to avoid pain, not because they understand they did something wrong. I don't know about you but I hope my children are smarter than animals and won't need to be taught by causing physical harm.
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I picked yeah, as a last resort. As insulting to humanity it is, violence has played a major rule in resolving practically every conflict ever. From the Cuban Missile Crisis to schoolkids arguing over candy. Better to teach a little bit of truth than fill youngling's minds with false ideals.
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fragmentsofdreams
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I am against it. Whether to use corporal punishment is up to the parents. I wouldn't use it, and I definitely wouldn't trust every teacher to use it in a way that I wanted if I would. Some teachers would avoid it entirely, and others would have a sadistic streak and would take it too far.
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evildead said:
That's not the place of the school to do. I don't agree with corporal punishment anyway, but if parents feel it's necessary and they aren't being cruel or sadistic, then I don't see a reason to tell them they aren't allowed to. HOWEVER, that is the parent's choice, not the choice of the school. If the school feels that the child needs corporal punishment, they are welcome to suggest it to the parents. If the parents refuse, and the child's behavior doesn't improve, then the school is welcome to expel the student. The school does not have the right to unilaterally decide to physically strike someone else's child.
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I´m agaisnt corporal punishment at school. For me, the only person who can apply corporal punishment to kids are their own parents. At school we could find psicological punishment that sometimes is as dangerous as corporal punishment. We must teach our kids the "fear" to God and sure they will not deserve any punishment outside home. And for those who does not believe in God, I think teaching moral values to our kids in early ages is a good start in a right behaviour of our children.
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CZzyzx41
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First off think of how lawsuit-happy Americans tend to be nowadays. The first kid that got smacked would sue the teacher for physical assault.
On a more serious note I agree with many here that it is a responsibility of the parent and not the school administrator to deal out corporal punishment. I don't see how it's right for even parents but since they have responsibility let them take their free agency into their own hands (pun not intended). I think smacking a kid shows weakness on the parents part and it in no way teaches the child why what he did was wrong, only that if he does it someone will hit him. The first time he does it and doesn't get hit, guess what? All those years of spankings went down the tubes. Now he feels like he's been lied too and brutalized and it only fuels a fire that could lead to him repeating it further. If a child has a good understanding why something is wrong and are punished in a non-violent way for breaking that rule you'll get more out of it in the long run I believe. Be sharp but not violent.
On a more serious note I agree with many here that it is a responsibility of the parent and not the school administrator to deal out corporal punishment. I don't see how it's right for even parents but since they have responsibility let them take their free agency into their own hands (pun not intended). I think smacking a kid shows weakness on the parents part and it in no way teaches the child why what he did was wrong, only that if he does it someone will hit him. The first time he does it and doesn't get hit, guess what? All those years of spankings went down the tubes. Now he feels like he's been lied too and brutalized and it only fuels a fire that could lead to him repeating it further. If a child has a good understanding why something is wrong and are punished in a non-violent way for breaking that rule you'll get more out of it in the long run I believe. Be sharp but not violent.
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CZzyzx41 said:
For one thing, I agree completely about the effectiveness of corporal punishment. It's equivalent to threatening your children into obedience -- which works, but only as long as the threat exists. Take away the threat, and the children no longer have any reason to behave. Conversely, if you punish them in rational ways and teach them the why of ethical behavior, you've instilled something that will last.
But completely aside from that, the other objection to corporal punishment is this: You teach your kids not to hit other kids, right? You teach your kid that physically harming others is wrong. Yet -- when he breaks that rule, you do exactly that to him. What gives? How do you expect your child to understand what is wrong with violence, if violence is your answer to any infractions on his part? Oh, he'll understand that there's a difference between his violence and your violence, all right -- the difference is that you're an adult and you can get away with it. You won't teach him not to be violent. You'll simply teach him to be violent only when he won't get caught and punished.
In fact, I honestly think that punishment in any form is a tool to be used sparingly. While it is necessary to curb behavior that cannot be allowed to continue, it is not what most parents seem to think it is -- a tool to instill moral values. It doesn't instill moral values, it instills fear of consequences. If you wish to teach your child to be an ethical person, you'll actually have to make the effort to teach him what morals are, why we have them, and why it's a good idea to be ethical. That's not to say punishment doesn't have its uses; but it's not going to teach your child to be ethical at heart -- only in outward appearance.
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Kids still got spanked when I was in elementary school
My fifth grade teacher was notorious fro giving whacks so hard your feet would leave the floor. I know that when he whacked a kid out in the hall, the noise resounded like a gunshot.
If someone TOUCHED my son in that way I would indeed go postal. If they think my son is so out of control he needs a good whippin', they can call me and I will take care of it. But to humilate and hurt a child that isn't yours is an idea whose time is long gone.
Unfortuanately, however, there isn't any form of discipline that really works in schools anymore. You can't touch them, granted, but you can't really do anything else either.
My fifth grade teacher was notorious fro giving whacks so hard your feet would leave the floor. I know that when he whacked a kid out in the hall, the noise resounded like a gunshot.
If someone TOUCHED my son in that way I would indeed go postal. If they think my son is so out of control he needs a good whippin', they can call me and I will take care of it. But to humilate and hurt a child that isn't yours is an idea whose time is long gone.
Unfortuanately, however, there isn't any form of discipline that really works in schools anymore. You can't touch them, granted, but you can't really do anything else either.
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