school choice

[dogs4thewin]

School choice and disbbanding the department of education have come up as points in Trump's plan

What do you think of school choice and handing education back to the states.

 

[Fantine]

I think people will stop moving to the South for lower taxes. Their education rankings are awful.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I think people will stop moving to the South for lower taxes. Their education rankings are awful.

Time will tell

It really if it hurts anyone hurts the poor because people who can afford it will go private school choice or not.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Education is already largely a state matter.

School choice undercuts the very idea of what We The People have set out to do for ourselves.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Education is already largely a state matter.

School choice undercuts the very idea of what We The People have set out to do for ourselves.

How so? Parents should be able to decide which education is best for their child and their income should have nothing to do with that choice.

 

[KCfromNC]

How so? Parents should be able to decide which education is best for their child and their income should have nothing to do with that choice.

Sounds like socialism to me. If they want to pay extra for different education then they should just get better jobs. What happened to bootstraps and all that?

Or maybe we can cut other programs to pay for it - veteran's benefits, SSDI and medicaid seem to be targets of Donald's new team.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How so?

We The People pool our resources into various public works. Roads, military, fire department, police department, schools...

If someone wants to hire a private security firm to watch their house or business, they are welcome to do so, but if they're allowed to defund the police to pay for it, that makes the public good less good.

 

[RileyG]

I think people will stop moving to the South for lower taxes. Their education rankings are awful.

Are you specifically referring to the Bible Belt?

 

[RileyG]

How so? Parents should be able to decide which education is best for their child and their income should have nothing to do with that choice.

I agree.

 

[Fantine]

Are you specifically referring to the Bible Belt?

I am referring to specific states. Seven of the ten worst were in the South. The three others were Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico.

2023 State Education Rankings - Best to Worst

Scholaroo ventures to discover and evaluate public school rankings, identifying the best and worst school systems across three factors.

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[RileyG]

I am referring to specific states. Seven of the ten worst were in the South. The three others were Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico.

2023 State Education Rankings - Best to Worst

Scholaroo ventures to discover and evaluate public school rankings, identifying the best and worst school systems across three factors.

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Thank you.

 

[eleos1954]

School choice and disbbanding te department of education have come up as points in Trump's plan

What do you think of school choice and handing education back to the states.

I think as much as possible of everything should be returned back to the states ... each state has their unique challenges

 

[camillanorigera]

I am referring to specific states. Seven of the ten worst were in the South. The three others were Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico.

2023 State Education Rankings - Best to Worst

Scholaroo ventures to discover and evaluate public school rankings, identifying the best and worst school systems across three factors.

scholaroo.com

And to be honest, school is very important when it comes to education because there you get a base. Later, at university, it can help you or cause problems. I was lucky because my school was good, and it gave me everything I needed to be a good student. But still, I have some problems from time to time, especially when it comes to writing. But it's good that nowadays it's so easy to find any information online. Last time when I was stuck with writing, I came across this page https://papersowl.com/blog/ethical-research-paper-topics which provided me with a lot of ethical topics, and it helped me so much. I was looking for ideas, and I found some that helped me come up with something really interesting. And my paper was one of the best. I have good skills because I practiced a lot at school; I just need more creativity sometimes. And I have some people in my group who have so many problems with writing. When I asked them why, they told me that in school, the accent was not on writing at all. So now there are such consequences. So I believe that even if your school is not that good enough, you need to do your best, and even more.

Thanks for that link. It was actually very interesting for me to find out such info because I know more about universities than schools.
But the difference is that you can't actually choose where you're born and will go to a local school. When you apply to the university, you can try your best wherever you are.
I'm originally from Nevada, and that state is at the bottom, but my school was actually not that bad. It was a public school, and of course, there were different issues, but I did my best to get the most out of that time.

 

[probinson]

I think people will stop moving to the South for lower taxes. Their education rankings are awful.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Florida is not exactly typical of the South. Even then, for K-12, for the two metrics that can really be set side by side with other states, Florida is middle of the pack.

 

[probinson]

These kinds of comparisons always amuse me. "My state is the BEST in X!"

Well, we probably need some context for such a boast to carry any weight.

Let's take NAEP Math Scores as an example. (Source data here)

In 2022, the nation's average NAEP math score in grade 8 was 273.

The lowest average was recorded by New Mexico at 259, 14 points below the national average. (I'm excluding Puerto Rico, which had an average score of 216). The highest score was recorded by Massachusetts at 284, 11 points above the national average. For those of you keeping score at home, that's a difference of just 25 points. Then those are ranked across the 50 states. So a state that averages 271.20 (as in the screenshot above) is ranked "better" in education than a state that has an average of 271.19. Indeed, with only 25 points difference between the "best" and "worst" schools and 50 states, many of those states are basically tied in the rankings.

In reality, there is minimal difference between the "best" and "worst" state for education. The idea that their education rankings are "awful" is severely overstating the reality of the situation.

 

[rambot]

These kinds of comparisons always amuse me. "My state is the BEST in X!"

Well, we probably need some context for such a boast to carry any weight.

Let's take NAEP Math Scores as an example. (Source data here)

In 2022, the nation's average NAEP math score in grade 8 was 273.

The lowest average was recorded by New Mexico at 259, 14 points below the national average. (I'm excluding Puerto Rico, which had an average score of 216). The highest score was recorded by Massachusetts at 284, 11 points above the national average. For those of you keeping score at home, that's a difference of just 25 points. Then those are ranked across the 50 states. So a state that averages 271.20 (as in the screenshot above) is ranked "better" in education than a state that has an average of 271.19. Indeed, with only 25 points difference between the "best" and "worst" schools and 50 states, many of those states are basically tied in the rankings.

In reality, there is minimal difference between the "best" and "worst" state for education. The idea that their education rankings are "awful" is severely overstating the reality of the situation.

I'll admit. You'd make a good salesman.

To be honest I haven't heard many parents say " I hope my children receive a middle of the road education".


Fwiw, if anyone here has family members with readings issues the Reading Institute at Florida u, is really really rocking it. Look up UFLI.

Props where due.


And derision where due.

 

[essentialsaltes]

These kinds of comparisons always amuse me. "My state is the BEST in X!"

So you were just sharing that comparison as a joke?

 

[probinson]

I'll admit. You'd make a good salesman.

To be honest I haven't heard many parents say " I hope my children receive a middle of the road education".

Of course no one says that. But there is no evidence that if one state scores an average a few points higher or lower than another state on a standardized test that they're getting a "better" or "worse" education.

 

[probinson]

So you were just sharing that comparison as a joke?

I replied in response to the original claim that states in the south have "awful" education rankings by showing that Florida, which is pretty darn far south, is number one in education. You replied by posting where Florida ranks in standardized test scores, for some reason. So, I posted why the standardized test score rankings really aren't that great of an indicator of how the state is performing in education when taken alone, which is certainly why US News and World Report used multiple metrics to arrive at their education ranking.