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Jesus Himself claimed to be God: John 8:58 - ""58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.""


Adam Clarke, in his commentary about this passage quotes Calmet:
""The following is a literal translation of Calmet’s note on this passage:—“I am from all eternity. I have existed before all ages. You consider in me only the person who speaks to you, and who has appeared to you within a particular time. But besides this human nature, which ye think ye know, there is in me a Divine and eternal nature. Both, united, subsist together in my person. Abraham knew how to distinguish them. He adored me as his God; and desired me as his Savior. He has seen me in my eternity, and he predicted my coming into the world.” ""

And in the following verse Clarke says this:
""Then took they up stones, etc.—It appears that the Jews understood him as asserting his Godhead; and, supposing him to be a blasphemer, they proceeded to stone him, according to the law. Leviticus 24:16""

They understood Jesus to be making Himself equal with God which is why they wanted to stone Him to death.
 
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We know the Bible is true because it is the only book which has hundreds of prophecies that came true. This is the standard God says we should use to tell if someone is telling the truth. If what they say comes to pass, they are a true prophet.

The very life of Jesus fulfilled about 40 prophecies, some of them hundreds of years old.

God knows the secret desires of your heart. He knows you intimately.
 
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Correct, but I'll add to that a bit, to help my original questions be answered.
I believe that God exists. I believe this because look around, the universe is incredibly complex. When someone sees a picture they know that there was a painter, when someone sees a clock they know that there was a clockmaker. Through logic, reason and science we can see that something superior to creation must exist, a Creator.
You're off to a good start.

That's all that any of us can be 100% sure of.
You must first decide if you have to be 100% sure of something in order to believe it. Can you even be 100% sure that the sky is blue? It is possible that all our eyes are malfunctioning due to a genetic problem and it is really pink. Can you even be 100% sure that the world exists? How do you know it isn't actually a virtual reality setup?

A healthier approach to believing something is not a 100% sureness, but a reasonable assuredness. In other words, the proof (logical, scientific, legal, or what have you) supporting something is reasonably greater then that rejecting it.

We can't be sure that he had a son. And why should we be expected to believe that God had a son when it defies logic and reason?
But it does not defy logic and reason. the Christian stance is not the Jesus is the literal son of God. In other words, Jesus did not spring from the loins of God. The Christian position (for the most part) is that the term father and son refer to the different roles and interaction between two of the three entities of God which have always existed together and equally. This is the understanding of the trinity.

God created us with an intellic so that we could use it.
You are absolutely right.


Through the things that God created us with: logic, reason, sight, sound, touch, smell, taste, love, hate, etc. we can experience the creation of God. Do these instincts lead us to believe in certain sacred text, religios figures, etc? Many would say yes to that question, and all that did would claim that different texts, different interpretations of those texts, and different leaders were the end result of their instincts.
I would be one of those.

So, we can't be at all sure of which claimed revelation is true because there are so many different claimed revelations.
If there are several different views, then logically we know that either they are not actually conflicting or are conflicting with each other. Of those that are conflicting we know that only one of them can be right. This being the case, why can't we determine which it is? We were created as logical beings and as such have the capability of doing just that.

And ALL of them have records of miraculous healings and various different miracles.
So, what can we be sure of.
We can be sure that not all of the miracles happened. We must use our minds to determine if the miracles of the Bible really did happen.
I can be sure that as I look outside this window with this amazing miracle of sight I see millions of miracles, a bird feeder which attracts these beautiful, flying, feathered miracles to find their sustenance, beautiful flowers that spring from a tiny seed, trees that reach up to the heavens, mosquitoes that remind me that in all of this beauty there is still pain and that pain is a necessity, a family in the rooms around me that shower me with their love and I them. These are miracles that I can know, miracles with which I see the rich love of the Divine Author lavished upon me from the very beginning of creation.
I'm surrounded by created things that call for care and protection. Creation that calls for peace and civil justice.
Just as you can use your mind to know these truths, so can you use it to know the truths of Christ as revealed through the Bible.

Let us first start with the Bible. Setting aside the miracles recorded in it (for the moment) can the accounts written in the Bible be trusted?

The earliest known manuscript of the Bible has been dated to AD 130. This is 100 years after the crucifixion. Considering the materials used at the time for writing and it's tendency to burn, tear or just plainly disintegrate over time it is quite likely that much earlier manuscripts existed.

There is another reason for an earlier date for the writing of the New Testament. This is lack of certain information. Just thirty years prier to the writing of the manuscript I mentioned an event that rocked the lands of the middle east took place. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

The complete destruction of the holiest site in Judaism and the carnage of mass suicide and slaughter and scales that the world had yet to know was not soon forgotten. If the bible had been compiled around AD 130, then there should have been reference to this tragic event, but there is none. Even in the Epistle to the Hebrews who would be displaced and distraught by the event more then any other group, there was no mention of this act. Such negligence would require intent. So, either the New Testament was written before AD 70 or the writer was a con-man.

But the idea of a con-man does not hold up to logic. If it had suddenly come on the scene in AD 130 and was made to look as if were written before AD 70, then the con-man has a problem. Where have the writings been over the last thirty years? Why has no-one else ever heard of it.

This, however, is not the only problem that the con-man would have to face. The New Testament is made up of writings by different authors. If it was made by different authors, this means that several different people had to coordinate their writing to have no contradictions and to leave out any reference to the most notable event in secular history in that region.

If it was all written by the same con-man then he had to be the most talented author the world has ever known. To be able to write in so many different styles and with such different personality is almost impossible.

As such, logic dictates that the Bible was written before AD 70. This is about forty years after the ministry of Jesus. This means that while the writings of the New Testament was being circulated, those who had actually witnessed the events recorded in the New Testament would still be alive. Granted, allot of these people would have been favorable to the writings because they were Christians, but there would also have been many witnesses that would have not been favorable towards it. People like the Jews and Romans (who were trying to stomp out the new religion). If these witnesses would have said that the writings were wrong, the whole thing would have ended there. They did not and it did not. If all the witnesses would have been in favor of the New Testament then such could be shrugged off, but many of the witnesses were against the Christian. Logic dictates that the events recorded in the New Testament are accurate.

I would challenge you to find any such religious account that has such logical proof.

Due to the length of this so far, I will stop here for the moment and write some more later. I hope I am makeing sence so far.
 
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Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues so I made a sockpuppet account in search for answers.

I believe in God.

Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.

I shared in my first post (post #12), why the Holy Scriptures say that Jesus , the son of God, became Incarnate (that is I gave one reason). Another reason shared by the Apostle John in one of his epistles, goes back to the prophecy of God given in the Garden of Eden, after The Fall, to the Serpent; to whom God said "...you shall bruise His heel, but He shall bruise your head." The Beloved Apostle says the same thing this way: "For this reason was the Son of God manifest, that He might destroy the works of the devil."

Several people have given the names of excellent books, to help answer questions which you may have. They are all good, although the theology is not that of the Orthodox faith. The point which I've not read however (which will answer the nagging you have is this), Your question of being able to really know how Jesus is the revelation of God, is to receive the gift of God's grace, accepting Jesus as your Savior and Lord. Only then will the answer be the light which you and all of desperately need.

:crosseo: a bondservant of :bow: The Lord!
 
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Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues so I made a sockpuppet account in search for answers.

I believe in God.

Look around you, it is obvious to me that there is something superior to us and made us.
That being said, I see no proof anywhere that the Divine Creator has revealed himself through any religion or sacred text.
Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.


Without the Lamb of God, there is no sacrifice worthy enough to wash away our sins. Jesus is that Lamb, and because He CHOSE to die in place for us, we are saved IF we believe that He did.
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Ya, I agree with you. The Bible is a great book and I've read Mere Christianity and think it to be an excellent defense of Christianity, but my question is:
Ya, the Bible is a great book, Jesus was a great man, but how can I know that Jesus of Nazareth was God's revelation to man?
The gospel is not merely a "good story" written a couple of thousand years ago. It is eyewitness testimony. It would stand up in a modern court of law. And has! Believe it or not, there are several treatises written by modern lawyers which examine the testimony of the authors of the gospels and have found them to be truthful, authoritative, and the degree of detail lends credence to their accuracy. And consider the Bible as a whole; a book written by many different people over a period of about 1400 years, but with a theme that remains consistent throughout. That being the love of God for his people and the lengths to which he will go to insure their salvation and well-being. Such that he sent his own Son to die on the cross and pay the debt for our failure to live up to God's standard.

No other religion can make that claim. They are based on the sayings and writings of their own originators, and upon the idea that man can save himself. But what power does man have to do that? We barely have the wherewithal to get ourselves out of the jams that we find ourselves in on a daily basis, let alone a condition that has eternal ramifications. No, only God, through Jesus Christ, has the power to save us from the eternal consequences of our sins. These other religions produce nothing but false hope and expectations.

As I said before, the truth of Jesus Christ was recorded by eyewitnesses; people who saw Jesus prove that he was who he said he was. They saw him live, they saw him die, they saw him after he rose from the grave. After Jesus death, he could have just gone up to heaven and left it at that. After all, his work was finished at the cross. Remember, he said "It is finished." But, he chose to come back to show his followers that he did indeed have power over death and by this they could be assured that his promise of eternal life to those who believe was true and real. And these witnesses not only believed and wrote about it, they were all martyred because of it, all except John. Tell me, who dies for a cause that they know to be a lie. No one.

Of course, today it does take a certain amount of faith to believe. The disciples saw all this unfold before their very eyes, so they were certain it was true. We don't have that luxury. But we do have their eyewitness testimony. So for us it is just a matter of deciding "I believe this to be true and I'm going to live my life accordingly."

I hope you can make that decision.
 
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I am a eye witness account to the diety of Yeshua. I met Him. He promised to meet all of us individually. Check out Rev 3:20. When He comes be prepared to meet the one Holy One of Israel. He is all that they say of Him in the Bible and more. He is as real as real as it gets. Everything in the Word of God will come to life and make more sense than all the commentaries and books you can read about Him, after you meet Him.

Understand the God described in the Bible is exactly as described. Understand the He is as Holy and Almighty too. Sin will hang off you like candle wax melting in His presence. You will feel like Isaiah did, with "Woe is me for I am unclean" in His Presence. You will want to throw dirt on your head and hide from His Presence. Be rest assured that it is perfectly normal to feel completely inferior and unworthy in His Presence. He will put His Robe of Righteousness upon you so that you can stand to be in His Pure presence. You will be able to converse with Him on all that is on your heart. He will answer everything and continually to be with you, sending His Holy Spirit to guide and direct you, to help you discern the spiritual meaning of what is happening around you, and bless you with His Presence via Holy Spirit.

Open up your temple, welcome in your Hgih Priest, who will clean up all the money changers inside, and make your body a house of prayer.
 
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Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues so I made a sockpuppet account in search for answers.

I believe in God.

Look around you, it is obvious to me that there is something superior to us and made us.
That being said, I see no proof anywhere that the Divine Creator has revealed himself through any religion or sacred text.
Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.
Greetings
OK I'll try to make this short for you maybe, ha ha .

After Adam and Eve Sinned and sin became a part of Adam every child born from a Mother and a Father would be passed this state by gene transfer if you will, it's in the males seed.

This will make sense of why God Birthed Jesus by a Virgin Birth and not natural hum male and female.

Jesus was placed into a Virgin because to God she was pure never being with a man, God by-passed the male seed, this made the Blood thru Jesus vains pure sinless, that was the whole reason for all of histories temples and all the Sacrifices of offerings it told of him who would come with this pure blood.

Jesus Sacrificed His pure blood, for the Scriptures say without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Just as our Children would show our traits in there life, so did Jesus this is why he says if we have seen him then we have seen the father.

I saiah 53 His birth was for told 712yrs before it happened. how about that for chance.

The Saviour would sit on the throne of David forever, he would be heir to that throne, if he had not had been virgin born then he would not have been a adopted child into the line of his step dad, which was of the line of David, but this also tied in grafting into one body.

Learn about Jesus Christ from the Bible, there are plenty of free programs online to download, I know you have a computer, right? ha ha

Really you have to seek God first if you want him to show himself to you, he must see your serious about needing him or your answer.

Get a bible some how, find out more about Jesus he'll teach you who God really is.
Rev Malone, Merry Christmas
 
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Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues so I made a sockpuppet account in search for answers.

I believe in God.

Look around you, it is obvious to me that there is something superior to us and made us.
That being said, I see no proof anywhere that the Divine Creator has revealed himself through any religion or sacred text.
Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.

Look at yourself, and tell me you don't need a Saviour!
 
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