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Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues so I made a sockpuppet account in search for answers.

I believe in God.

Look around you, it is obvious to me that there is something superior to us and made us.
That being said, I see no proof anywhere that the Divine Creator has revealed himself through any religion or sacred text.
Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.
 

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We need not look any further than our own selves in comparison the the New Testament to find the answer.

It answers the question everyone has about what is pressing on us....the moral or (natural) law. As C.S. Lewis (the once Atheist) said in his short but great book Mere Christianity.

Some may think that there are some inconsistencies in the N.T., but regardless, it definitely has the answer to this pressing question and meets all of our spiritual needs in comparison to all the other current and past religions.
 
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We need not look any further than our own selves in comarison the the New testament to find the answer.

It answers the question everyone has about what is pressing on us....the moral or (natural) law. As C.S. Lewis (the once Atheist) said in his short but great book Mere Christianity.

Some may think that there are some inconsistencies in the N.T., but regardless, it definitely has the answer to this pressing question and meets all of our spiritual needs in comparison to all the other current and past religions.
Ya, I agree with you. The Bible is a great book and I've read Mere Christianity and think it to be an excellent defense of Christianity, but my question is:
Ya, the Bible is a great book, Jesus was a great man, but how can I know that Jesus of Nazareth was God's revelation to man?
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues so I made a sockpuppet account in search for answers.

I believe in God.

Look around you, it is obvious to me that there is something superior to us and made us.
That being said, I see no proof anywhere that the Divine Creator has revealed himself through any religion or sacred text.
Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.
If there is an afterlife it would make sense to believe that the same creator that created our world has created it. It would also make sense that once this body is dead we will be moving onto a more eternal existence such as the creator exists.
With this in mind, our only hope is that Our Creator is a loving individual. If he is a tyrant then any future existences would not be worth even thinking about.
Of all the people in history there is only one that has perfected "Love". The stories of Jesus Christ paint Him as the embodiment of love. He resisted the proud and arrogant and embraced the humble and meek. Most historical leaders embraced power over others not love for others. Even though Jesus Christ had the power to destroy all those that oppose Him, not only did He not use it, but He gave His very life for them. And not quickly, I might add. He died a horribly painful death, one of the most painful criminal deaths ever devised.
I can't possibly give you a proper picture of Jesus Christ without about a lifetime of words, but you can find out for yourself in the Bible.
Bottom line: If I had to choose one historical individual to put my faith in, it would be Jesus Christ. I must believe He is who He says He is. If He is not and the true God is one of the tyrants the other religions paint, then my only hope would be that we die and never again wake up.
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scrdsckpppt said:
Ya, I agree with you. The Bible is a great book and I've read Mere Christianity and think it to be an excellent defense of Christianity, but my question is:
Ya, the Bible is a great book, Jesus was a great man, but how can I know that Jesus of Nazareth was God's revelation to man?

How can/do any of us KNOW the Jesus was the Son of God, and was revealed by God?

It is called FAITH. We believe that the bible is the inspired word of God, that Jesus died for our sins, rose again, and ascended back to the Father.

We take all that as a matter of faith. Is there hard evidence that Jesus was the Son of God?

Not now, but wait until He comes again. Then we will all have all the proof necessary.

I don't know how else to answer your question. It is kind of like asking for proof that there is a God. One can point to the incredible complexity of the universe, how smoothly it all fits together and runs as evidence of intelligent design. That, however, is not "proof". It is conjecture based on the simple logic that the odds of all that happening by accident are so outrageously small as to be impossible. '

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I was once where you are at. It is a hard question to settle once and for all. However, I always advise people to pray for the faith, and God will give you the faith to believe. It is personal experience I speak from here. And you cannot dispute with answered prayers. This proves Jesus Christ once and for all for us.
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Hello, I'm an active user of Christian Forums, but I'm having some serious faith issues.....


Please please please help me understand why Jesus is God's revelation to man.

My quote of the text from the book of Hebrews will not be exact: "...Since the children share in flesh and blood, He partook of the same, that H emight become a more effectual high priest in things pertaining to God. He did not consider equality with God a thing to be grapsed, but being found in the form of a servant, humbled himself, even to death on a cross...."

The people had had the Tabernacle, and the Temple for centuries, but had failed to see thet they were only pointing the way to God. so that "...even while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of Jesus on the cross..."


".... :bow: The Lord!
 
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Hello scrdsckpppt:

It depends on what you believe about the nature and authority of the Old Testament as to whether or not we can show you that Jesus is God's last 'revelation' to man directly.

You see, if you believe the Old Testament and that the Ten Commandments are authoritive and from God, then it can be shown that Jesus came to complete or fulfill the Law (Matthew 5:17), and thus, must be of God.

What do I mean by the phrase 'Jesus came to complete the Law?' By fulfilling (or completing) the law, Christ satisfied it's requirements in our place. In other words, the 'required' obedience is accomplished in Him. Therefore, in Christ do we keep all the law faithfully, and cannot be accused. In this way, we are no longer judged by any of the everlasting laws, for we are under the Grace of God. The law doesn't condemn us as it does for those who are not under God's Grace.

Anyway, moving on... The Old Testament Laws were not designed to give men eternal life, but rather to open their eyes to see just how sinful and depraved we really are and just how much we need a Saviour from our sins. The Bible tells us that if we even break the Ten Commandments once that we have fallen short of God's standards and thus deserve to face God's justice, which Paul describes that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). What are God's standards, you might ask? Perfection. You're right if you think, Well who in the world can live up to those standards? Answer: no one, except for Jesus. That's why we need a Saviour.

If you believe that you are a sinner totally and hopeless depraved and separated from God because of your sins, then you need someone else to come along and 'build a bridge' between a holy and just God and sinful man. However, this person Himself must not be sinful other wise He would be in the same situation as us (being condemned by our sins and separated from a holy God) and hence cannot help us.

An Answers In Genesis article called Why Is There Death And Suffering? by Ken Ham and Dr Jonathan Sarfati explains how this can be done a lot better than I ever could:

The only way for us to restore our life with God is if we are able to come to Him with the penalty paid for our sin. Leviticus 17:11 helps us to understand how this can be done. It says, ‘The life of the flesh is in the blood.’ Blood represents life. The New Testament explains that ‘without the shedding of blood there is no remission [of sins]’ (Hebrews 9:22). God makes it clear that, because we are creatures of flesh and blood, the only way to pay the penalty for our sin is if blood is shed to take away our sin.


In the Garden of Eden, God killed an animal and clothed Adam and Eve as a picture of a covering for our sin. A blood sacrifice was needed because of our sin. The Israelites sacrificed animals over and over again; however, because Adam’s blood does not flow in animals, animal blood, though it could temporarily cover our sin, could never take it away. The Hebrew word translated ‘atonement’ is kaphar, which means ‘cover.’


The solution was God’s plan to send His Son, the Second Person of the triune Godhead, the Lord Jesus Christ, to become a man—a perfect man—to be a sacrifice for sin. In the person of Jesus Christ, our Creator God stepped into history (John 1:1–14) to become a physical descendant of Adam, called ‘the last Adam’ (1 Corinthians 15:45), born of a virgin. Because the Holy Spirit overshadowed His mother (Luke 1:35), He was a perfect man, one without sin—despite having been tempted in every way that we are (Hebrews 4:15)—who thus could shed His blood on a cross for our sin.

Because mankind’s first representative head—Adam—was responsible for bringing sin and death into the world, the human race can now have a new representative—the ‘last Adam’—who paid the penalty for sin. No sinner could pay for the sins of others, but this last Adam—Jesus Christ—was a perfect man. God in human flesh was able to bear the sins and sorrows of the world.


Because our sins separated us from God, Jesus came and paid the penalty (or curse) for our sins (which is death). He took the penalty which should rightly have been ours at the hands of a righteous judge, and bore it in His own body on the cross. All who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour are received back to God to spend eternity with Him. This is why Jesus is God's final 'revelation' to man; He did what we cannot do, He built the bridge between holy God and sinful humanity that no one else could build because all other men are sinful and thus need a Saviour themselves. We are that depraved that there is nothing we can do to even help save ourselves reach heaven. This is why God sent His Son, to do what we can't. He lived a perfect and sinless life and thus became a sacrifice for our sins. When we come to Him in faith, He will forgive us and justify (or declare righteous) us before the Father.

It is because Jesus has fulfilled the requirements of the Old Testament law and paid the price for my sins and forgiven me of my sins that I do not believe in any other prophet claiming to be of God who claim that there is another way to get to heaven. Firstly, logically, if there were another way, why would God send His Son to Earth to suffer a horrible death? That makes no sense to me. Secondly, Jesus has done all what is required to reach heaven - place our faith in Him and ask Him to forgive us of our sins and we're justified and sealed by the Holy Spirit. This is why I reject Muhammad's message, for example - although he claims that his message is based on the Old Testament and the Gospels, he misses the fact that the work of Jesus completed the Old Testament Law. Thus there is no need to 'build' more requirements on top of it (e.g. believing that Muhammad was a 'prophet').

For more information on why Jesus' sacrifice was necessary, please see: Why Is There Death And Suffering? by Ken Ham and Dr Jonathan Sarfati of Answers In Genesis, available on-line at <answersingenesis.org/docs2002/death_suffering.asp>.

For more information on the Old Testament Law and how Jesus' life and death fulfilled it and this means for us, please see: The Law And How It Is Fulfilled In Christ by Tony Warren on The Mountain Retreat, available on-line at <mountainretreatorg.net/faq/oldlaw.html>.
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Ya, I agree with you. The Bible is a great book and I've read Mere Christianity and think it to be an excellent defense of Christianity, but my question is:
Ya, the Bible is a great book, Jesus was a great man, but how can I know that Jesus of Nazareth was God's revelation to man?
The fact that there is an empty tomb where His earthly body was buried should go a long way to convincing you.
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Challenge God to meet with you.. You say that you have read the Word of God. Now search it to see how these authors met with this God and ask yourself what did they see, experience and how can I have the same experience. Pray that "this God of the Bible" will help you meet Him. What do you need to do to be prepared to meet the Holy One of Israel? Take Rev 3:20 as a promise that this "God of the Bible" has to meet in order to be believed.
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Ya, I agree with you. The Bible is a great book and I've read Mere Christianity and think it to be an excellent defense of Christianity, but my question is:
Ya, the Bible is a great book, Jesus was a great man, but how can I know that Jesus of Nazareth was God's revelation to man?

I would read the 4 Gospels, then compare how they are written in comparison the the other writings close to that time period. Writings such as the gospel of Thomas, gospel of Jude, gospel of Phillip, gospel of Mary, etc. They all pale in comparison to any of the writings of the New Testament.
 
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Eh... you have to ask yourself when looking at religions: Does this glorify the creator or man? Most that you look at, there is dieties who represent man's passions; gods for sex, drinking, and other things, weither a vice or not. It has been said many times that those without God must fill a God-shaped hole. Even athiests fill that whole with various other things. This being said, the only religion that makes sense would be the Judeo-Christian one, it's just logical. Now, the problem of the Messiah is easy: It's stated all over the old testament, perdicted, and it makes sense. Why would a God, who created man for his pleasure and companionship, not provide a way back to Himself? How do we know Christianity is correct? Well, as far as definate proof, yes, we must rely on faith, but it is accurate as well.

Scientifically, there is evidence supporting our faith. Not conclusive evidence like many demand, but evidence that is on the same level as evolution and the big bang, i.e., it can't be proven, but it logically makes sense. Yeah, I said it. I'll send you a link to a good site in private.
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Thanks for the responses, but do any of you know what Deism is?
Basically, it's a belief that God is real, but he isn't personal. I.E., he created the world and left it to its own devices. Therefor you cannot know him.

Edit: The belief that God exists but is not involved in the world. It maintains that God created all things and set the universe in motion and is no longer involved in its operation.
 
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XR0391 said:
Basically, it's a belief that God is real, but he isn't personal. I.E., he created the world and left it to its own devices. Therefor you cannot know him.

Edit: The belief that God exists but is not involved in the world. It maintains that God created all things and set the universe in motion and is no longer involved in its operation.
Correct, but I'll add to that a bit, to help my original questions be answered.
I believe that God exists. I believe this because look around, the universe is incredibly complex. When someone sees a picture they know that there was a painter, when someone sees a clock they know that there was a clockmaker. Through logic, reason and science we can see that something superior to creation must exist, a Creator.
That's all that any of us can be 100% sure of. We can't be sure that he had a son. And why should we be expected to believe that God had a son when it defies logic and reason? God created us with an intellic so that we could use it.
Through the things that God created us with: logic, reason, sight, sound, touch, smell, taste, love, hate, etc. we can experience the creation of God. Do these instincts lead us to believe in certain sacred text, religios figures, etc? Many would say yes to that question, and all that did would claim that different texts, different interpretations of those texts, and different leaders were the end result of their instincts. So, we can't be at all sure of which claimed revelation is true because there are so many different claimed revelations. And ALL of them have records of miraculous healings and various different miralces.
So, what can we be sure of.
I can be sure that as I look outside this window with this amazing miracle of sight I see millions of miracles, a bird feeder which atracts these beautiful, flying, feathered miracles to find their sustenance, beautiful flowers that spring from a tiny seed, trees that reach up to the heavens, mosquitoes that remind me that in all of this beauty there is still pain and that pain is a necessity, a family in the rooms around me that shower me with their love and I them. These are miracles that I can know, miracles with which I see the rich love of the Divine Author lavished upon me from the very beginning of creation.
I'm surrounded by created things that call for care and protection. Creation that calls for peace and civil justice.
 
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It's hard to understand, I agree, but God has revealed to us in his scriptures the nature of his being, and that is to say that from God himself comes various forms. Think of it like a marriage: they are eternally bound together as a God, but at the same time not the same as each other, and yet not so seperate as to be multiple gods. I have trouble explaining the concept of the trinity, so you'll have to forgive me if my response is lacking.

I believe in the site I linked to you is the example of a sphere visiting a 2-dimensional world. The sphere is likened to God, and the world is to ours. We see circles as the sphere passes through our world - coming out of a little dot and spreading, then contracting back into a dot. This is how we see God in our world, a series of circles, or seemingly unique but simular beings, who are actually just one unit that we have a hard time comprehending.
 
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scrdsckpppt said:
Ya, I agree with you. The Bible is a great book and I've read Mere Christianity and think it to be an excellent defense of Christianity, but my question is:
Ya, the Bible is a great book, Jesus was a great man, but how can I know that Jesus of Nazareth was God's revelation to man?

I recommend the book A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It answers your question, directly.
 
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