SBC, Jimmy Carter & homosexuality

[OzSpen]

Maybe something has changed, but I heard a few years ago that he left the SBC after the latest revision to the BF&M.

If you took the time to check out where Jimmy Carter attends church at Maranatha Baptist Church, Plains GA, you would know that that is not the case. Mr Carter attends that church which is affiliated with the SBC and his face and schedule are on that website. See: Home Page - Maranatha Baptist Church

 

[OzSpen]

even in southern baptist church the teaching vary. I think you'll find every baptist church does things there own way. not saying i agree but its true.

I understand as I've had association with a number of Baptist churches over the years. However, there did seem to be something contradictory in disfellowshipping an SBC church in La Mirada CA and not in Plains GA over the homosexuality issue. I know that it was the pastor in CA who was advocating, but Mr Carter says his church in GA supports his position.

Just thinkin'

 

[Bluelion]

I understand as I've had association with a number of Baptist churches over the years. However, there did seem to be something contradictory in disfellowshipping an SBC church in La Mirada CA and not in Plains GA over the homosexuality issue. I know that it was the pastor in CA who was advocating, but Mr Carter says his church in GA supports his position.

Just thinkin'

You'll find some church appose drink even while other allow it. I don't know of many other issues that churches have opposing view points, but I think your right they have apposing views. which is ironic because you would think the church in Ga would not support it while the church in Ca would support it.

I lived out in Hollywood Ca and you go to understand almost all churches out there are liberal, because of the diverse culture there, so its odd the church in Ca says no, they must be taking all kinds of heat over that in Ca.

What worries me is them trying to force preachers to do gay weddings. That is something i plainly can not do, and would have to go to court for that. God comes first. We really all need to come to agreements about things, being dived like on this issue is what hurts the church the most.

 

[OzSpen]

You'll find some church appose drink even while other allow it. I don't know of many other issues that churches have opposing view points, but I think your right they have apposing views. which is ironic because you would think the church in Ga would not support it while the church in Ca would support it.

I lived out in Hollywood Ca and you go to understand almost all churches out there are liberal, because of the diverse culture there, so its odd the church in Ca says no, they must be taking all kinds of heat over that in Ca.

What worries me is them trying to force preachers to do gay weddings. That is something i plainly can not do, and would have to go to court for that. God comes first. We really all need to come to agreements about things, being dived like on this issue is what hurts the church the most.

Blue,

I also used to live in CA (Anaheim - down the road from Disneyland) and I found plenty of evangelical churches to go to. Yes, there were plenty of liberals as well.

As I've emphasised, it's the inconsistency that I see for both churches as they are in the SBC.

As for marrying homosexuals, I will never do that (I'm ordained and have a marriage licence). Fortunately, to this point we do not have that legislation here in Australia. Our current Prime Minister is standing firmly against it. He's a Roman Catholic, as is the Treasurer. But I can see the time when the PC crowd will have the majority here in Aust for legalising same-sex marriage.

In Christ,
Oz

 

[PrincetonGuy]

You'll find some church appose drink even while other allow it. I don't know of many other issues that churches have opposing view points, but I think your right they have apposing views. which is ironic because you would think the church in Ga would not support it while the church in Ca would support it.

I lived out in Hollywood Ca and you go to understand almost all churches out there are liberal, because of the diverse culture there, so its odd the church in Ca says no, they must be taking all kinds of heat over that in Ca.

What worries me is them trying to force preachers to do gay weddings. That is something i plainly can not do, and would have to go to court for that. God comes first. We really all need to come to agreements about things, being dived like on this issue is what hurts the church the most.

Why is it any more wrong for a minister to perform a wedding for a homosexual couple than a wedding for a man and a woman when one or both of them have been divorced from a previous spouse? Do ministers have the right to discriminate against some classes of sinners and not against others? I would not perform a wedding for any couple unless I was reasonably sure that neither the man nor the woman had previously been married—and I would not perform a wedding for any couple unless I was reasonable sure that both the man and the woman were living in accord with the teachings of the New Testament.

Luke 16:18. “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.” (NASB, 1995 Update)

 

[OzSpen]

PrincetonGuy,

Regarding divorce, I will only remarry a couple where there has been divorce for biblical reasons: (1) Adultery, or (2) the unbelieving partner separates.

Oz

 

[Hammster]

If you took the time to check out where Jimmy Carter attends church at Maranatha Baptist Church, Plains GA, you would know that that is not the case. Mr Carter attends that church which is affiliated with the SBC and his face and schedule are on that website. See: Home Page - Maranatha Baptist Church

And what is that church's official stance?

 

[OzSpen]

And what is that church's official stance?

Is Jimmy Carter misrepresenting that church's view?

 

[PrincetonGuy]

PrincetonGuy,

Regarding divorce, I will only remarry a couple where there has been divorce for biblical reasons: (1) Adultery, or (2) the unbelieving partner separates.

Oz

Regarding homosexuality, many pastors in my community marry homosexual couples for Biblical reason: (1) Our sexuality is a gift from God and it is a sin not to enjoy it, (2) Jesus never taught against homosexuality, (3) Paul never uses the common Greek word for homosexuals, but only words for disgusting classes of homosexuals, (4) both Jesus and the writers of the New Testament emphatically taught that discrimination is of the very worst of sins.

 

[Hammster]

Is Jimmy Carter misrepresenting that church's view?

How would I know?

 

[Bluelion]

Regarding homosexuality, many pastors in my community marry homosexual couples for Biblical reason: (1) Our sexuality is a gift from God and it is a sin not to enjoy it, (2) Jesus never taught against homosexuality, (3) Paul never uses the common Greek word for homosexuals, but only words for disgusting classes of homosexuals, (4) both Jesus and the writers of the New Testament emphatically taught that discrimination is of the very worst of sins.

Paul address the romans issue as it were at that time.

Rom1:26

26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

God says its not natural.

why I do not believe in out casting them, to marry them would be to part take in there sin, you are giving your blessing when you marry.

Thanks for the thought though I did not even think about those divorced, funny what we focus on is it not? And here I was just talking about the same sin I would not marry a couple who was divorced accept by adultery.

my wife is divorced however her ex moved in his girl friend with them, so she took her son and left. I think i am covered.

But what is atoning for the sin. Jesus paid our debt. If a person asked God for divorce would he not grant it? if they ask for forgiveness they would have it. But it promotes divorce and is what is wrong in part with this world.

Wow tough stance to take, but Jesus clearly judged the matter, so it is a stance I will remember to take, but it will not be easy.

Thank you good sir you have helped me grow. See one mind, we all need to hash things out until we come to agreement, people say its ok to disagree, we need to reach agreement.

 

[OzSpen]

Regarding homosexuality, many pastors in my community marry homosexual couples for Biblical reason: (1) Our sexuality is a gift from God and it is a sin not to enjoy it, (2) Jesus never taught against homosexuality, (3) Paul never uses the common Greek word for homosexuals, but only words for disgusting classes of homosexuals, (4) both Jesus and the writers of the New Testament emphatically taught that discrimination is of the very worst of sins.

Do you agree with those positions? If not, why not?

 

[PrincetonGuy]

Do you agree with those positions? If not, why not?

I do not agree with the arguments from Scripture used to defend homosexual marriages, but it would be very much more difficult for me provide an exegetical defense for marrying divorced people than homosexuals even though I have studied in detail very many works in which marrying divorced people is taught and defended at great length. Indeed, advocates for homosexual marriages include scholars who have spent decades studying the Greek New Testament and the cultural background of it, and very few pastors who are opposed to homosexual marriages could even begin to refute their informed opposition.

Let us take just one example that has already been brought up, Romans 1:18-32. I have in my personal library 262 commentaries (bound volumes—not internet downloads) on all or part of that epistle. Only one of them addresses in any detail issues in Romans 1:18-32 that advocates for homosexual marriages use to defend their position. That single commentary is the recently published (2011) work by Arland J. Hultgren—Paul’s Letter to the Romans: a Commentary published by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. Hultgren comes to the conclusion that homosexual marriages are justified by the Scriptures.

 

[OzSpen]

PrincetonGuy,

I'm not surprised that only one of your Romans' commentaries addresses the issues of advocates of homosexual marriage. It was not a major issue until recent years. In addition, most people accepted the view that homosexuality was sin that God forbade, so why would one want to defend a sinful view of marriage?

Oz