Saving the muslims

[Inhocsigno]

Does anyone here have more information on the "Skanderbeq Movement"? It's one of these efforts within the broad umbrella of converting Muslims to our faith, in this case focused specifically on Albanians and with the highest success rate (so far) of any such movement.

My understanding is that this began in the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Norway and especially Germany a few years ago, as an effort to convert Muslims among the migrant Albanian population (who are predominantly Christian to begin with) to the Christian faith. Skanderbeq is the name of the Albanian national hero, who is revered by Muslim and Christian Albanians alike.

The key here is Skanderbeq's personal biography: As a young boy, he was apparently taken as a hostage into the court of the mainly Muslim Ottoman Turkish empire, which at the time was trying to expand into Europe. Skanderbeq was brought up as a Muslim, but after a series of battles in which he was a general, he renounced Islam and embraced Christianity, subsequently leading his Christian Albanian people in a series of remarkable victories over the Ottoman Empire. So Skanderbeq provides an example of a great and revered figure who left Islam for Christianity and brought pride to his people, and he has thus been a remarkably valuable example for converting the Albanian Muslim people to Christianity.

Anyway-- again, my understanding is that this began in the Netherlands and Germany with remarkable success. Furthermore, it's even been extended to find similar nationalistic examples which have been used to convert Bosnian Muslims, Turks, Alevis and Kurds to the Christian faith, particularly within Germany.

Thus, most of the relevant material (including plans on distribution of Albanian-language Bibles and other literature) on the movement has been written in German. Does anyone here, with German-language skills (at least, better than mine) have more background on this movement, and maybe some pointers on where one could find the relevant information? Thanks.

 

[Coptic.Ray]

I grew up in a Muslim dominated country, so I have a first hand experience about Islam. First off, we need to distinguish between certain Islamic believes and Muslim individuals. The reason why there is such a difference between some Islamic teachings and some wonderful Muslims is because Islam developed. Islam started off as a peaceful movement, Mohamed built a lot of his dogmas from Christian/Jewish/semi-Christian sources. He was weak and unarmed. When he began to face trouble he ran away from Mecca and went to Madina, He preached peace and harmony as that time. The books of Quran coming from this period are called "Madaniah" in refernce to "Madinah". After a while in Madinah, his followers became the majority and he ruled the city, it proved more efficient to use Jihad "Holy war" to spread his beliefs. Mohammad began to attack the neighboring villages and commerce routes. That required a change in theology, many verses in Quran began to promote Jihad and the cause of the holy war. Mohamed conquered Mecca and returned it establishing his empire and conquering the rest of Arabia. The books of Quran from this period are called "Mecciah" in reference to Mecca.

To summarize, El Sowar el- Madaniah (The books of Madinah) in the Quran promotes peace and mutual respect. while El Sowar el- Mecciah (The books of Mecca) in the Quran promotes Jihad and holy war against infidels.

Thus the Quran contains two world views, or promotes understanding and one promotes conquest. Many devout Muslims, including my best friend, tend to favor the peaceful half and consider the other half as a historical must and refernce the other half Jihad verses only to defend their lands. Other Muslims (Jihadist) believe that their mission is to spread the message of God and submit the whole world to his will. Using violence if needed.

I hope that would clarify some misunderstanding about Islam.

 

[MerandaS]

Well, it is very interesting to ask them what their best evidence is.

Their best evidence is that God can be seen in design. That can apply for anyone who believes in "A God"

Their second best evidence is that Muhammad had one great prophecy.

When it comes down to it, there is NO evidence they can produce.

Go to my blog - evidence 4 Christianity . blog spot.com

When you present the MASSIVE evidence to them, some of them really have their eyes open... others just don't care because they are so blinded.

Though, one amazing piece of evidence that I have come across and I mention it on my blog is that MILLIONS - oh yes... MILLIONS of Muslims are seeing dreams of Jesus and converting. Many of them are seeing the same dream and leaving their faith.

Christianity is now the fastest Growing movement.....

God is really showing himself, especially in countries where Christianity is being supressed to the point where conversion means death.

My point is that usually I ask them ...... WHat is your very best piece of evidence that you can show me that your God is the true God?

Usually they give some very general evidence that can apply to God overall. Then delicatly, and nicely present them the evidence that exists for YHWH. Did you know that the bible has bible codes, mathematics burried under the text? Oh ya! Did you know that in most of the prophecies that talk about the coming messiah have Jesus in the bible code in the very line of the prophecy? Check out my blog and get the information.

Way to Go in taking the boldness of witnessing!

 

[MerandaS]

Here is some of my witnessing material I relpied to a Muslim....

I think one area of approch is talking about the contrasting view points of our GOD YHWH's Love, his amazing approch to us in his love, and his personal relationship with us. What did Jesus say>? He was full of LOVE! If you think of what it says in the Quran, their God is impersonal. It is not a "father God relationship like what YHWH is like. They have uncertainty that they are going to make it to heaven. In fact if you look at most false religions it is entirely based on works to get to heaven....

Here is an ongoing letter that I wrote to a Muslim.



The bible warns of this in the last days, did you know? It prophecies a world order and a coming mark. I am sure you know all about the Illuminati, the Bilderburgs, Club of Rome and so forth. (Listen to the radio show on infowars.com) They update the progress of the "new world order" on a daily basis. Your right, Satan has been at this for many years.

Do you know about the 10 commandments in Exodus that Moses gave? It is impossible to lead a perfect life. The bible says that everyone falls short of the Glory of God. So how can we possibly make it into heaven? The bible says that "whosoever looks on a woman to lust, has committed adultery in his heart" Matt 5:7. If we break just one of these, ONLY 1 time, we are damned. So if God judges you on Judgment Day, how do you think you will fair based on the 10 commandments?

In fact, if you confess your sins to Allah, the Quran says "every soul that has sinned, if it possessed all that is on earth, would faim give it ransom" Surah 10:54. In other words, it says that if he possessed the whole world and offered it to God as a sacrifice for his sins, it wouldn;t be enough to provide atonement for his sins.

So where does that leave you?

Ok, here comes the interesting part. Did you know in the Old testament, for hundreds of years, the faithful children of God, (the God proclaimed by Moses) travelled to Jerruslem to celebrate the Passover? There are 5 main feasts in Lev 23 that the children of God followed faithfully. Did you know that they had to sacrifice a lamb for the atonement of their sins was the exact same day that Jesus died hundreds of years later? AND the exact same hour? Did you know that ALL of the celebrations were a prophecy of JESUS in the future? I go into this much more on our website. In fact, God told the faithful followers how to celebrate these festivals, and EACH one was an occurrence of something significant of Jesus in the future.

Here is the good news...

The God of the Bible is a God Full of Love. Do a quick look in the Psalms, and see how quickly he acts to rescue you, how much he loves you. This entire book details his love in the bible among other places. Jesus spoke only of Love when he walked the earth. In fact he told us to love our enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. He was as opposite as it can get to the normal person. Wouldn't you want to serve a God that died for you?

Jesus said in John 14 that when you look at him, you see the father. Him and the father are one. So, God came down, and walked a sinless life, and died on the cross to take the penalty of Hell for us, because NOONE is perfect. But here is the KEY, you have to acknowledge that what Jesus said was true.

So if Jesus is the real deal, then WE need to look at what he said. Wouldn't you be interested to know what he said, if he said he was the only way? He said that HE alone is the only way into Heaven.

SO, my original question to you, is What is your best piece of evidence for ALLAH?

So far, (I don't mean to be mean) (but honest), ,,.....

In my studies I have personally found no evidence that could apply to Allah alone. Possibly I am missing something.

Here are just 13 points that are spectacular that I have for YOU......


1. The Bible is Divinely inspired. It touches on an astounding remarkable amount evidence of History ,Science, Mathematics AND Medicine in detail.

You say your Quran has knowledge of divine things, I agree there are some great points you make. There are some unique pieces of evidence in your Quran.

Here is what else is in the Bible.

It also has embedded Numeral Mathematics within the words. Did you know? I detail that on my website.

It also has THOUSANDS of Bible codes threaded within and throughout the BIBLE.

(The Bible Codes and Mathematics only work in the original Hebrew word of the Bible, not the modern translations) But that is ok. You can read how the dead sea scrolls.... the oldest manuscript in the world was found that details the old testiment to the very word, so we know we have the real word that was translated correctly. Interesting enough, the oldest known copies gave glory to God himself. I bet he hid them in the precise location so that his people would know and have confidence in his word.

How can you possibly write a book (of 40 authors) that reads on the surface fluently, and have THOUSANDS of Modern Bible Codes, AND on top of that have Multiple places of Mathematics present?

2. Jesus had to be born through a particular family line as it was prophesied in the Old Testament. Jesus would have NO CONTROL over that. They have calculated the odds of that actually happening - 10 To the 2nd Power (1 in 10,000) Jesus would be a Descendant of David

3.Prophecy tells US GOD Picked the City of Bethlehem for The Messiah to be Born in. Jesus would have No CONTROL over this. They calculated the odds of this - 10 to 5th Power (1 Chance in 100,000) Jesus would be born in Bethlehem

4.( I told you of this one) The Lord God is incredibly consistent. If you want to know if something is of God, look back into the Old testament, as he doesn't change. In fact, God provides evidence for himself that no one could possibly generate. For hundreds of years before Christ, God set up 5 exciting celebrations in Lev 23 and gave his believers specific details how about to keep them. Amazingly, in the details lied the prophecies or foreshadows of events that would occur in the future. The celebration Passover is the exact representation of Jesus dying on the cross in detail even to the exact time of the slaughtering of the lamb, and the blood on the doorposts. Feast of Tabernacles was the perfect picture of Jesus's birth detailing the location and time. Many speculate that Feast of Trumpets will be where Jesus returns on the Mount of Olives. We are also told that we will be keeping the festivals when Jesus returns (Exe 45, Zech 14). Also, the disciples kept Sabbath and the festivals in Acts 21&25 Matt 5,Rom 3. If you are a Christian, I urge you to throw aside pagan holidays, XMAS, Halloween, and walk the narrow road for Jesus. Keeping the Festivals/Sabbath and Jesus Testimony is where the blessings and protection come from.

5. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false . An honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the divine authorship of the Bible. Jesus fulfilled over 300 messianic prophecies written in the Old Testament scriptures. Prophecies today are coming to pass around the world that have been written in the Old Testament 2500 years ago. Isn't that amazing? Like I said earlier, there is some really interesting prophecies coming true in our day. Check out my blog and I list some of those.

OH , and did I mention in most of all the old testament prophecies (in the old testament about the "coming messiah) HAD BIBLE codes with the name of Jesus in them? I bet if the Jewish people knew about this, their mouths would drop the floor because they are still waiting for the coming messiah. When in fact, in the old testament the bible says that the messiah (Jesus)
would be denied by his own people

Well in all those prophecies, the name of Jesus is in the very line of the prophecy in the bible code. SO WE know who was the messiah.

Oh yah! Isaiah 53 and 53. Flip open to that prophecy and read it. Doesn't it talk about Jesus? A perfect picture of him. AND, astonishingly there is 74 bible codes that directly relate to Jesus buried under the text of that small paragraph. Amazing, isn't it?

 

[MerandaS]

6. There are 2,000 prophecies that discuss past events which have come to pass (proven correct), future prophecies and 300 prophecies (ALL proven correct and detailed) on the implications about the life, INCLUDING the death, and resurrection of Jesus. No other religion has specific, repeated, and unfailing fulfillment of predictions many years in advance of contingent events over which the predictor had no control.

Buddha didn't rise from the dead, nor did Confucius or Zoroaster. Muhammad or Maitreya didn't fulfill detailed prophecy. Alexander the Great, nor did Joseph Smith raise the dead or heal the sick. There is far less reliable information written about these "religious" leaders, yet they are followed by millions.

7. The Messiah would have had 456 identifying characteristics; Jesus had them all.

8.Professor Emeritus of Science at Westmont College, Peter Stoner, has calculated the probability of one man fulfilling the major prophecies made concerning the Messiah. Twelve different classes representing some 600-university students worked out the estimates. 1 in (10 to the 157POWER) that one man could fulfill even 48 (F O U R T Y - e i g h t ) of these Old Testament prophecies.
JUST REMEMBER THAT JESUS FULLFILLED OVER 300! Finally, he submitted his figures for review to a committee of the American Scientific Affiliation. Upon examination, they verified that his calculations were dependable and accurate in regard to the scientific material presented (Peter Stoner, Science Speaks, Chicago: Moody Press, 1969, 4).

9. Jesus DID NOT manipulate events to fulfill prophecy Such as The Place of the Messiahs birth (Micah 5:2). , The Date of the Messiahs birth (Daniel 9:25). Manner of birth of the Messiah (Isaiah 7:14), The Manner of death of the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10; Psalm 22:16 prophesied before the invention of crucifixion). , Piercing in side of that Messiah (Zechariah 12:10).The Details of the Burial of the Messiah(Isaiah 53:9).Executers dividing up Jesus clothes after he died on the cross

10. MILLIONS of Muslims are seeing dreams of JESUS and ARE Converting to Christianity in areas of world where it is a death sentence to convert to Christianity. YET, MILLIONS are having the same dream of who they identify as Jesus coming to them in their dream. Millions have converted even though, it could cost them their life.

My blog has this as well.

11. AN EARTHQUAKE and an Eclipse Happened while Jesus was dying on the cross... Sited by MANY NON Biblical Sources (13 in total) It did HAPPEN! The darkness was noted all around the world! It happened from 12 noon to 3 pm when Jesus died. THIS TELLS YOU, GOD the FATHER DID NOT WANT it to GO UNNOTICED! He is the Son of God, and can forgive your sins.

12. The Holy Temple Had A Curtain Separating the Holy Place where GOD dwelled. At the Very moment of Jesus's Death the Curtain was torn in half. The Remarkable thing, CHECK out the measurements of this Curtain- The curtain was 60 feet in height, 30 feet in width and 4 inches thick

13. ONLY in the name of Jesus can people who are possessed by demons be free. Over and over again, people can testify that they are free of demonic spirits, and millions can confess to be healed in JESUS's name.

Another piece of evidence is this dividing of Isreal's land. EVERY time the United states pressures Israel to give up its land, that very day, or the day after we get a major hurricane or natural disaster, or some sort of punishment. WHO SAID The jewish people were Gods people? The God of the Bible. Each time we mess around with Israel we see the signs in the heaven. BLOOD RED moons appear. ANOTher indication of YHWH.


Are you ready to throw this aside and forget about this? Consider JUST 2 More Points:


P o i n t A : J e s u s C l a i m e d t o B e G O D H i m s e l f

Unlike any other Religion, Jesus Christ claimed to be God (John 10:30 ) I and the Father are one. Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. You will notice that None of them ever claimed to be equal to God, but Jesus did. In the name of Jesus you can have eternal life if you call on him. Jesus claimed he can forgive sin himself. Today ONLY in name of JESUS can people be freed of Demonic activity in persons. This is a huge piece of evidence for Christ, it takes but minutes for a person to be freed in Jesus name. The Name of Jesus binds up demons, and casts them out. In the Name of Jesus, thousands of people can testify to healing.

There is only one God (Exodus 20:3; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8) Jesus is a part of a trinity. Just like the mathematical model of Liquid Water-Water vapor-Ice water, all revealed in different forms.

God revealed himself in Exodus (the old testament before Jesus was born) to Moses through a Burning bush Exodus 3:14 - "And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you." THEN when Jesus walked the earth, he claimed to his disciples in John 8:58#- " 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.'"

Jesus claimed to be there from the beginning of the creation of the universe John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word(Jesus) , and the Word(Jesus) was with God, and the Word(Jesus) was God." John 1:14 - "And the Word(Jesus) became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
The Disciples of Jesus were asking JESUS about what the Father was like, - Jesus in John 14: 6-7 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."


P o i n t B : God Does NOT want ONE Person to Parish, BUT EVERYONE to come to Repentance 2 Pet 3:9


Jesus Christ says in Matthew 25:41, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels."

There are over 162 references in the New Testament, alone which warns of hell. And over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ! Understand This: - You choose hell when you reject Jesus Christ, when you refuse God's love gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ you choose an eternity without his presence. Everything that is good comes from God. Hell is a place without his presence, but a place where all things bad occur. Do a search of Psalms to learn what a loving Father our God is. Everything good is from him.

All other major world religions, like Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, and Catholics teach that we must perfect ourselves in order to be saved. All Other religions believe that if people live good lives, and if the good works they do outweigh the bad, then they will have earned their way to heaven. However, this approach has logical errors. For example, if we prepared an omelet with five good eggs and one rotten egg, we do not get an omelet with four good eggs, but get a rotten omelet. Just like this, we cannot mix good deeds and bad deeds, and hope that we will be good enough to enter into the heaven.
The Bible says that we are all sinners (Rom. 3:23, Romans 3:13). This means that WE HAVE all offended God. Because of this, we are separated from God (Isaiah 59:2), are dead in our sins (Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:3), cannot please God (Rom. 3:10-11), and will suffer damnation (2 Thess. 1:9).
Therefore, God himself -Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and rose from the grave to save us (Isa. 53:6). Only the saving faith in Jesus Christ can be the basis for forgiveness of sin and life everlasting (Ac. 16:31) Here is the KEY, all you have to do is ask him into your life. God makes it very easy to choose him.
Salvation is found by trusting in what Jesus did on the cross (John 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Pet. 2:24, John 1:12, Acts 16:30,31,
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16)

Are you ready to gamble with the consequences of all the amazing evidence stacked up in Jesuss favor? There is tons more amazing evidence that confirms that Christianity is the truth. No other religion has the evidence that Christianity does.

So what do you think ??

Do you have any sort of evidence that Christianity has?

Here is your simple prayer.

Why not pray and ask for God to reveal himself to you? Ask in Jesus's name.

I always suggest that to people, and they always get a response, but you have to ask in Jesus's name.

If you think the evidence isn't enough, check out my blog again,

I detail so much more.

Here is what I suggest people to pray. It doesn't have to be exact, just meaningful from your heart.

Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask you into my life. I thank you for dying for me and saving me from Hell. I pray that you would open my eyes to see, and I pray you the Lord over my life. Please direct my paths. I receive you as my Savior. In Jesus Christ Name, Amen.

"Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth." Luke 15:10

Meranda

Hope this arms you with some evidence you can use