Saving loophole

[juvenissun]

If infants and young children are permitted into heaven unbaptized and unrepentant, not believing in Jesus or choosing to have faith in him.

If the little ones can enter the city of God even though they carry the disease of sin nature, the disease that God must punish and avenge. Then it seems God does not need belief or faith to save someone.

Is this not clearly demonstrated by children who are saved by default?

Children and babies are NOT saved by default.
If they do not believe, they will not make it.

 

[juvenissun]

when Adam was created he had a pure spirit as do all infants and young children and it is only after disobedience was he condemned. Infants and young children have a 'free pass' until they have reached that age of responsibility which is generally 13 y.o based on jewish tradition. Also because of the law were people condemned but in the new covenant based on grace and forgiveness even a child who murdered but repented correctly can go to heaven.

If so, kill your beloved child before he gets to 13. That guarantees his eternal life in the Heaven. (Teenagers are not good anyway)

Ridiculous !

 

[juvenissun]

Any man or women who have been a parent knows you do not expect the same from an infant as you do a child of 6. At birth they only have a sucking erg. You really think its just to judge them the same? God does not.

When an infant die, he goes back to where he came from.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Age of accountability is not found in the bible.

And yet Jesus said to see the Kingdom we must become like little children.
Which is to be understood as I read it that little children do not sin. And especially newborns or infants. Being they're not cognizant of doing wrong. Nor do they have the capacity to repent and seek Jesus.

 

[juvenissun]

Obviously the bible doesn't have adequate information on this, and Christians are left reading between the lines.

Something this important should be covered in the bible, I do have a theory where children go. But it's not biblically supported, so you probably won't be interested.

If your idea is derived from the Bible, then it is supported by the Bible.
So, what is it? Please share.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Children and babies are NOT saved by default.
If they do not believe, they will not make it.

No newborn goes to Hell.

 

[juvenissun]

And yet Jesus said to see the Kingdom we must become like little children.
Which is to be understood as I read it that little children do not sin. And especially newborns or infants. Being they're not cognizant of doing wrong. Nor do they have the capacity to repent and seek Jesus.

Yes. One must "trust", or "have faith" like a little child.
Do not skip that critical word.

 

[juvenissun]

No newborn goes to Hell.

I don't think newborn goes to Hell either. But he does not go to Heaven.

You need to think that a newborn is NOT a newly created life.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Yes. One must "trust", or "have faith" like a little child.
Do not skip that critical word.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven



Matthew 19:14
But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”


Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.

Luke 18:17
Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

 

[juvenissun]

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven



Matthew 19:14
But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”


Mark 10:13-16
And they were bringing children to him that he might touch them, and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” And he took them in his arms and blessed them, laying his hands on them.

Luke 18:17
Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.”

Do these verses say that all children go to Heaven?

What does sin mean? Is it age dependent?

Doesn't Jesus die also for children?

 

[Inkfingers]

If infants and young children are permitted into heaven unbaptized and unrepentant, not believing in Jesus or choosing to have faith in him.

If the little ones can enter the city of God even though they carry the disease of sin nature, the disease that God must punish and avenge. Then it seems God does not need belief or faith to save someone.

Is this not clearly demonstrated by children who are saved by default?

I have heard this claim several times myself and would love to know where it comes from scripturally. It sounds like something people tell each other because it sounds nice but I'm not aware of ANYONE getting into Heaven unless God grants them faith to become one in the body of Christ.

Of course, when you realise that all are chosen (or not) from before the beginning of the world all this concern of babies missing the boat becomes moot.

 

[miknik5]

Believeume,
With regards to little children you forgot that out of the mouth of babes HE has ordained praise to still HIS enemies

That means infants can make a right judgement

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Do these verses say that all children go to Heaven?

What does sin mean? Is it age dependent?

Doesn't Jesus die also for children?

Show us the verse that says children go to Hell.

 

[Inkfingers]

Show us the verse that says children go to Hell.

Only those saved by grace, through faith, get into heaven.

 

[juvenissun]

Show us the verse that says children go to Hell.

Logic.

Believers go to the Heaven. So unbelievers do not go to Heaven.

That is enough.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Logic.

Believers go to the Heaven. So unbelievers do not go to Heaven.

That is enough.

Ah, thank you. Infants, newborns, children, do not possess the capacity of logic.

 

[juvenissun]

Ah, thank you. Infants, newborns, children, do not possess the capacity of logic.

Parents can teach them to have faith in Christ.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Parents can teach them to have faith in Christ.

Parents aren't the issue here. The laws of God and accountability for our sins is.

 

[juvenissun]

Parents aren't the issue here. The laws of God and accountability for our sins is.

It is a serious issue. If parents do not guide their children to the Lord, then if a child died before he can choose, then he won't make it to the Heaven.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

It is a serious issue. If parents do not guide their children to the Lord, then if a child died before he can choose, then he won't make it to the Heaven.

Now all you have to do is back that up with scripture precisely.