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If you really mean what you are saying here, you will also build an ark, because God commanded Noah to build one in Genesis 6:14.
But you don't, because somehow, you know that command was directed only to Noah and not to you.
God is not a respecter of persons, so if someone were in the same situation where the earth had been filled with violence and God was going to flood the world and spare the righteous, then we should build and ark.
The point is, you don't obey Genesis 6:14 because you know that was not directed to you.
You agree with that at least?
That does not mean one cannot learn from Noah's faith in that passage, all scripture is for our learning.
It is not good to focus on whom a command was given by so much so that you lose sight of what it teaches us about the nature of whom it was commanded by.
That does not mean one cannot learn from Noah's faith in that passage, all scripture is for our learning.
What a way to say all but still allowing exceptions.
But my point has been established so lets move on
Only in your mind has this been established, but have a great day. It is finished.
So you still want to believe that all the commandments of Jesus are for us to obey.
Alright I can understand that. If you have read the previous exchange on Luke 12:33, you know that what many people do is that they convince themselves, "what Jesus really meant was...", hence allowing them to think they are obeying his commandments. =)
All true Christians have the Holy Spirit indwelling teaching them and guiding toward righteousness. This includes following the commandments of Jesus as given in the NT.
earthmover
I have established that when some people say all, they don't really mean all.
That is not obvious? =)
Mark 4:33-34
And with many such parables He spoke the word to them as they were able to hear it. 34 But without a parable He did not speak to them. And when they were alone, He explained all things to His disciples. NKJV
Jesus did not expain all truths of all things. An intellgent interpretation considers the context and the clear intent of the author in making reference to "all" things. This does not render the inspired text inaccurate.
Actually, on a friendlier note, would it really weaken your position by simply saying the following?
"All scripture is for our learning, but not all scripture contains instructions for us to obey"
What is the difference in meaning between that statement and your "ALL Scripture is to be obeyed in so far as it applies to each individual."
Don't give motherhood statements and assume your readers can read your mind
I don’t expect any to read minds. I do expect those involved in discussions like these to read Scripture - including James 1:22.
Actually, on a friendlier note, would it really weaken your position by simply saying the following?
"All scripture is for our learning, but not all scripture contains instructions for us to obey"
What is the difference in meaning between that statement and your "ALL Scripture is to be obeyed in so far as it applies to each individual."
It is rare that God requires of us that we simply understand (learn). It is required of God’s people to act, to do, to walk in the light of His Word. Learning is important. But it is not sufficient.
But you yourself allow exceptions to obedience when you said "so far as it applies to each individual".
What else can that statement means?
To elaborate further, using your bolded exception above, what is the difference, in substance, between these 2 reasonings?
- I don't have to obey Genesis 6:14, because God only told Noah to build an ark and not me. It only applies to Noah and not me
- I don't have to obey Luke 12:33, nor Matthew 28:18-20, because Jesus only instructed members of the nation of Israel and not me. It only applies to Israel and not me
Genesis 6:14-15a [God to Noah, and to no one else - no reasonable extrapolation or application to others, beyong the general teaching of the blessing of being God's obedient servant.]
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