There's not a single shred of evidence in Acts 15 the debate and issues were about the oral law. The law of Moses isn't oral law.
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There's not a single shred of evidence in Acts 15 the debate and issues were about the oral law. The law of Moses isn't oral law.The yoke of the influencers included all their mountain of oral traditions for how to law, which is what they were objecting to.
When employer hires a new employee, they don't start by teaching them up front everything that they will ever need to know about how to do their job, but rather they start with the basics with the understanding that they will learn how to do the rest on the job. In the same way, new Gentiles coming to faith would have been unfamiliar with all of the laws in the Torah, so to not to make things too difficult for them, they started with the basics, which Paul excuses in verse 21 by saying that they would continue to learn about how to keep the law every Sabbath in the synagogues.
If you think Gentiles were only supposed to keep those four laws, then that would exclude the teachings of Jesus, as well as other teachings in the NT, but if you say that this is obviously not an exhaustive list and that other laws were included, then I'd agree with you.
Anything to get rid of worshipping on Sunday.He is agreeing that they did in fact meet on a Sunday, just not the Sunday morning like we do now.
Only for the Jews (Israel). That covenant is no longer in effect. LK 16:16 and Gal 3:19. Besides that we're delivered from the law according to Rom 7:6.I do agree we should worship God everyday, but in scriptures, he did set one day apart from the others and made it holy and a day of rest. We kinda do that here in america as many banks, car dealerships and other businesses are closed on Sunday.
In this day and age Im not even really sure if God cares about the whole Saturday vs Sunday debate the way we do as humans. I could be 100% wrong and the Sabbath 100% still matters and we should be keeping it, but one thing ive always wondered, if the Sabbath was so important, why would God even allowed it to be changed by the RCC and not send out a punishment or curse for doing so to the point where they would not have changed it and just left things as is.
Hey wad ya know, I can agree.I disagree. "Break bread" is a euphemism for communion. It makes no sense to say they are devoted to Havdalah.
- Acts 2:24 They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer
- 1 Corinthians 10:16 When we bless the cup at the Lord's Table, aren't we sharing in the blood of Christ? And when we break the bread, aren't we sharing in the body of Christ?
Only for Israel.Indeed, but God bless the 7th day and declared it holy, so it is a special day of worship.
No they weren't adding to the law.Acts 15 is not talking doing a way with the Law of Moses, but what additional requirement are going to be placed on the believer so as to not offend their Jewish hosts.
No its about converting Christians.This is such a silly debate.
Anyone who can read knows that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.
God never changed it, and He never gave anyone else the authority to change it either.
I seriously have to wonder...is this really about what day we ought to go to church? Because that really shouldn't matter so much that people fight about it.
Or....
Or is it really about closing businesses on the real Sabbath?
Is it a matter of worship?
Or, is it something more sinister. Is it about money...
I never looked at it that way before this angle was brought to my attention in another context.
The council of Laodicea was merely a regional synod. It does not establish dogma the way an ecumenical council does. In fact, one synod can correct the mistakes of another synod.one problem with this, In 636 Sabbath was done away with at the council of Laodecia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Laodicea
Then here it is for you. Please read it carefully and don't plague me with more questions until you deal with what I've already said.I followed you arrows back to you post and did not find a response.
They were already observing it because of the Judaizers. But the council released them from the requirement.
- Acts 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke
- Acts 15:19 It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
- Acts 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood
- Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
So not only are they released from the 613, but no where in the letter written to them does it specifically mention that they are to keep the Sabbath, and states that these requirements are the only ones.
Well Hallelujah and pass the popcorn.Hey wad ya know, I can agree.
Anything to get rid of worshipping on Sunday.
bugkiller
While the Catholic church changed the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday, it didn't change the Sabbath to Sunday. Rather, Sunday is considered the Lord's day, when Christians meet to break bread. In the Catholic church, Catholics don't actually keep Sabbath in the Jewish sense, refraining from Labor (although nothing prohibits this either). But at any rate, if you go to New Advent, the Catholic encyclopedia, and look up Sabbath, this is what you will find:
"Sabbath - The seventh day of the week among the Hebrews, the day being counted from sunset to sunset, that is, from Friday evening to Saturday evening"
They were already observing it because of the Judaizers. But the council released them from the requirement.
- Acts 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke
- Acts 15:19 It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
- Acts 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood
- Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
So not only are they released from the 613, but no where in the letter written to them does it specifically mention that they are to keep the Sabbath, and states that these requirements are the only ones.
Actually nothing is said in the Bible AT ALL about which day of the week the Lord's Day is. For the answer to that you have to go to the Early Church Fathers, and none of them will tell you it is the Sabbath.Interesting perspective --
Here is another -
I think some will see that Leo Trese's point about " no Bible text for this change" holds up to a close review of scripture.
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day that was the law as God gave it 'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident
The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...
nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday. ...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
Looks like - same subject same question same answer as
3 minutes ago #167
So then one or two answers found there may apply here.
Loving God with all your heart is not specific. It can include for Jews the keeping of the Sabbath. But for Gentiles, it is expressed in ways other than keeping the Sabbath. Nothing about Loving God has anything to do with the Council of Jerusalem or the quotes I gave.Nothing is said in Acts 15 about "Love God with all your heart" -- yet Christ insists on it in Matt 22... Is the NT church in Acts 15 acting in opposition to Christ - or are they really thinking that the Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" Commandment of God is important for NT saints?
They were already observing it because of the Judaizers. But the council released them from the requirement.
- Acts 15:10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke
- Acts 15:19 It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
- Acts 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood
- Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
So not only are they released from the 613, but no where in the letter written to them does it specifically mention that they are to keep the Sabbath, and states that these requirements are the only ones.
Loving God with all your heart is not specific. It can include for Jews the keeping of the Sabbath. But for Gentiles, it is expressed in ways other than keeping the Sabbath. Nothing about Loving God has anything to do with the Council of Jerusalem or the quotes I gave.
Actually nothing is said in the Bible AT ALL about which day of the week the Lord's Day is. For the answer to that you have to go to the Early Church Fathers, and none of them will tell you it is the Sabbath.
Actually nothing is said in the Bible AT ALL about which day of the week the Lord's Day is. For the answer to that you have to go to the Early Church Fathers, and none of them will tell you it is the Sabbath.
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