Satan's offer:

[mesue]

So then Jesus wasn't really tempted. If scriptures say He was tempted like other men I had always thought this was the time. But if the offer wasn't good, then it wasn't a temptation.

Jesus was fully God and fully man. He knows what is like to struggle with the flesh because He became flesh.

 

[MrJim]

Not so! Just because the availability of the devil to deliver has nothing to do with the temptation. Again I'll go back to the lie he told Eve that she would not die. God had told her that she would die and she knew that. In fact she repeated it back to the serpent. It comes right back to the point that humans are inherently evil. God offers eternal life to all but most choose death, ask yourself "why?"

Fat

Comparing Jesus and Eve is a reach. Jesus is God and man. For the man to be tempted there had to be something there more than an illusion. Eve, well...

 

[Wakeup2god]

I think when we look at what was on offer to Jesus the man we realise just how great the temptation really was.

To be beaten, humiliated, forsaken by all and crucified, and then to see hundreds of years of murder and persecution in your name, then watch half of the human race ignore the other half as they starve and die of disease and hear people say 'if there was a God why would He allow this'...

Or to simply bow before satan and become leader of the world.

Which one would you chose?

 

[MbiaJc]

Thanks everyone for your inpoot.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Satin is the god of this world. The principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places. These are the kingdoms Satin offered Jesus. Not the kingdoms of men, for God says He rules of the kingdoms of men. God and God alone sets up kings and kingdoms and He alone takes them down. So what Satin offered could not have been the kingdoms of men. The kingdoms and power he offered is the ones we wresle with every day of our lives. And as one poster said Satin has no power except what God has allowed him to have. And has no power over us unless we allow him to mess with our minds.

Also as another poster says the kingdoms of this world is what Jesus has suffered for. Not the kingdoms of men for they already belong to Him. He has already defeated Satin and made a public show of him. And shortly He will completely destroy Satin and take posession of his domain.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.


Satin has taken what God gave him diminion over and has used it for the wrong things. Same with man, he has misused the dominion he was given to rule over. Look at our inviroment especially our waterways for example.

 

[Fat]

Comparing Jesus and Eve is a reach. Jesus is God and man. For the man to be tempted there had to be something there more than an illusion. Eve, well...

Nobody is comparing Christ to Eve, we are looking temptation and the nature and power of the devil.

Satin is the god of this world. The principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places. These are the kingdoms Satin offered Jesus. Not the kingdoms of men, for God says He rules of the kingdoms of men. God and God alone sets up kings and kingdoms and He alone takes them down. So what Satin offered could not have been the kingdoms of men. The kingdoms and power he offered is the ones we wresle with every day of our lives. And as one poster said Satin has no power except what God has allowed him to have. And has no power over us unless we allow him to mess with our minds.

Also as another poster says the kingdoms of this world is what Jesus has suffered for. Not the kingdoms of men for they already belong to Him. He has already defeated Satin and made a public show of him. And shortly He will completely destroy Satin and take posession of his domain.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.

So Christ will take the place of the ruler of “The principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places.” No he will defeat the rulers of darkness.

Does the devil have limited power over evil? Sure but not over all men and as shown earlier only limited power over his own demons.

John 17
11*I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name that You have given Me, so that they may be one just as We are. 12* While I was with them I was protecting them by Your name that You have given Me. I guarded them and not one of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture may be fulfilled. 13*Now I am coming to You, and I speak these things in the world so that they may have My joy completed in them. 14*I have given them Your word. The world hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15* I am not praying that You take them out of the world, but that You protect them from the evil one. 16*They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

17*Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18*Just as You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19*I sanctify Myself for them, so they also may be sanctified by the truth.

20*I pray not only for these, but also for those who believe in Me through their message. 21*May they all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so that the world may believe You sent Me. 22 *I have given them the glory that You have given to Me. May they be one just as We are one. 23*I am in them and You are in Me. May they be made completely one, so that the world may know You sent Me and that You have loved them just as You have loved Me.

24*Father, I desire those You have given Me to be with Me where I am. Then they may see My glory, which You have given Me because You loved Me before the world's foundation.

Power over ALL the kingdoms of the world?

The devil has nothing to offer me, he is a fraud, a liar, a faults god, even the disciples were given power over the devil and his demons.

I am not under the devils domain, nor does he have power over me, I have been given to Christ. How about you?

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

This is not an offer to become the ruler of darkness, and spiritual wickedness. And Christ answer is that you can’t tempt God. Can the devil offer God back what little power He has given to the devil as a temptation? No of course not.

For any of you out there reading this that have not accepted God offer of salvation His offer is real and true. He can not lie as the devil did here. Gods offer is for eternal life and the devil has nothing to offer but lies and death.

Fat

 

[MrJim]

Nobody is comparing Christ to Eve, we are looking temptation and the nature and power of the devil.



So Christ will take the place of the ruler of “The principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places.” No he will defeat the rulers of darkness.

Does the devil have limited power over evil? Sure but not over all men and as shown earlier only limited power over his own demons.


Power over ALL the kingdoms of the world?

The devil has nothing to offer me, he is a fraud, a liar, a faults god, even the disciples were given power over the devil and his demons.

I am not under the devils domain, nor does he have power over me, I have been given to Christ. How about you?



This is not an offer to become the ruler of darkness, and spiritual wickedness. And Christ answer is that you can’t tempt God. Can the devil offer God back what little power He has given to the devil as a temptation? No of course not.

For any of you out there reading this that have not accepted God offer of salvation His offer is real and true. He can not lie as the devil did here. Gods offer is for eternal life and the devil has nothing to offer but lies and death.

Fat

So Satan's offer wasn't a temptation...

 

[]RiSeN[]

There are many verses that infact state that satan did indeed have the power he was offering Jesus. John 12:31, John 18:36, 2 Corinthians 4:4, and many times in the book of Revalations is it said that the devil has power over the enhabited earth, if only for a short while. Of course this was only a ruse, and was not really offering him anything he would not enherit through the completion of his ministry to God on earth. What satan was offering him was a way out of his Sacrifice and fullfilling of prophesy.

 

[Fat]

So Satan's offer wasn't a temptation...

James 1:13-18 13 No one undergoing a trial should say, "I am being tempted by God." For God is not tempted by evil, and He Himself doesn't tempt anyone. 14 But each person is tempted when he is drawn away and enticed by his own evil desires. 15 Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death. 16 Don't be deceived, my dearly loved brothers. 17 Every generous act and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights; with Him there is no variation or shadow cast by turning. 18 By His own choice, He gave us a new birth by the message of truth so that we would be the firstfruits of His creatures.


This reminds me of the old Flip Wilson show (for you old timers ) Geraldine would all ways say "the devil made me do it."

The pharaohs were told they were gods, yet they bowed to Gods wishes and released His people from slavery. The devil had not the power to stop it and could not give that power to the pharaohs. The pharaohs were lied to, they were not gods and they did not have the secret to eternal life. Even the wealth that they believed was theirs they plan to take with them is still here in their graves and the pharaohs are gone without it.

If the devil had power over evil why did he let evil people crucify Christ? The devil knew of Gods prophecy and he knew he could show his power over God by proving that prophecy wrong, but he did not have the power to stop evil men from doing Gods will. Unless of course you believe the devil sacrificed Christ just to help God out.

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Where are these kingdoms the devil speaks of? Are there people in these kingdoms?

Tell me, before you accepted Christ were you a good man or a evil man? Did the devil have power over you when you went to your knees and asked Christ to forgive you?

 

[Fat]

There are many verses that infact state that satan did indeed have the power he was offering Jesus. John 12:31, John 18:36, 2 Corinthians 4:4, and many times in the book of Revalations is it said that the devil has power over the enhabited earth, if only for a short while. Of course this was only a ruse, and was not really offering him anything he would not enherit through the completion of his ministry to God on earth. What satan was offering him was a way out of his Sacrifice and fullfilling of prophesy.

John

12:31Now is the judgment of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

John

18:36"My kingdom is not of this world," said Jesus. "If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I wouldn't be handed over to the Jews. As it is, My kingdom does not have its origin here."



2 Corinthians

4:4Regarding them: the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


Just so people know what you are talking about.

 

[Smidlee]

Yes the devil is lying again as he did to Eve, God did not give him authority over "all the kingdoms of the world."

No, God gave this authority to Adam (man) which turn around to gave it to satan. Using Eve as an example show satan will use truth to his advanage. He even quote scriptures to Jesus.

 

[Smidlee]

So if God give authority to the devil we must not resist the devil? Humm

Bingo! We can not resist the devil in our own strength but by the Spirit. Jude 9 " Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring againest him a railing accusation, but said, 'the Lord rebuke thee.'" Obviously satan does have claims on this earth yet God in some cases does overrule him. so even Michael was careful when dealing with satan.

 

[Fat]

Well reading the post on this subject it is apparent that we as a group are all over the place.

There seems to be agreement that the devil has limited power over his kingdom.

There is however no agreement of what the kingdoms of the devil are.

And we also have little consensus on the truth of the offer to Christ.

Some say that he has no power over man and some say he does.

Those who believe the devil is telling the truth must believe that the devils domain brings glory on him for he offered it to Christ.

But please do not feel that this forum is full of unrighteous pagans because the world theologians are also divided much as this thread.

I post the below quotes for your enjoyment. There is something there to back most of the post made by all of us.

Coffman
Satan indeed exercises a great authority on earth, but it is illegal and usurped authority, dramatically contrary to the implication of what he said here to Jesus. The conviction of this student has ever been that this satanic promise was merely a big lie. If Jesus yielded, he would not have won the kingdoms of the world, he would have lost them; and redemption for mankind would have been thwarted. God rules in the kingdoms of human beings (Daniel 4:26); Satan is a liar and the father of liars (John 8:44); and, despite the fact that there was a tawdry, carnal sense in which Satan is indeed the "god of this world," his arrogant boast here was totally false. Christ answered him without regard to the truth or falsity of Satan's promise, because it actually had no solid significance.

Darby
He acts when God wills, and because He wills, and does that which God wills. All the rest He leaves with God. This is obedience; and, remark, not obedience as submission to God's will where there was an adverse one, but where God's will was the one motive for action. We are sanctified to the obedience of Christ.

Satan is overcome and powerless before this last Adam, who acts according to the power of the Spirit, in the place where man is found, by the means which God has given to man, and in the circumstances in which Satan exercises his power. Sin there was none, or it would have been to yield, not to conquer. It was shut out by obedience. But Satan is overcome in the circumstances of temptation in which man is found. Bodily need, which would have become lust if self-will had entered into it, instead of dependence on the will of God; the world and all its glory, which, so far as it is the object of man's covetousness, is in fact the kingdom of Satan (and it was on that ground that Satan tried to bring Jesus, and shewed himself to be Satan in so doing); and, lastly, self-exaltation in a religious way through the things which God has given us-these were the points of the enemy's attack. But there was no self-seeking in Jesus.

We have found, then, in these things which we have been looking at, a man filled with the Holy Ghost, and born of the Holy Ghost on earth, perfectly well-pleasing to God and the object of His affection, His beloved Son, in the position of dependence; and a man, the conqueror of Satan amid those temptations by which he usually gains advantage over man-conqueror in the power of the Holy Ghost, and by making use of the word, as dependent, obedient, and trusting in God in the ordinary circumstances ofman. In the first position, Jesus stood with the remnant; in the second, alone-as in Gethsemane and on the cross. Nevertheless, it was for us; and, accepted as Jesus, we have in a certain sense the enemy to overcome. But it is a conquered enemy whom we resist in the strength of the Holy Ghost, who is given unto us in virtue of redemption. If we resist him, he flees; for he has met his conqueror. The flesh does not resist him. He finds Christ in us. Resistance in the flesh does not lead to victory.

Gill
And the devil said unto him, all this power will I give thee,
&c.]. That is, all the kingdoms of the world, and all the government and jurisdiction over them:

and the glory of them;
the riches, honours, and grandeur belonging to them:

for that is delivered unto me:
so far he spoke modestly, in that he owned an original, superior governor of them, by whom he pretended they were transferred to him; but lied, in that he suggested they were put into his hands by him, who had the supreme power over them; and that he acted by his constitution and appointment, as a deputy under him; when what power he had, as the God of the world, was by usurpation, and not by designation of God; and at most only by permission: and least of all was it true what follows;

and to whomsoever I will I give it;
or "these", as the Vulgate Latin reads; that is, these kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; when so to do is the peculiar and sole prerogative of God: nor can Satan dispose of the goods of a single man, nor of a herd of swine, nor enter into them without leave from God.

The 1599 Geneva
4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this a power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is b delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
(a) By this word "power" are meant the kingdoms themselves which have the power: and so this is said using the figure of speech metonymy.
(b) This is surely so, for he is prince of the world, but not absolutely, and is the sovereign of it only by permission and request, and therefore he does not truly say that he can give it to whom he will.

Guzik
(5-8) The second temptation: all the kingdoms of this world in exchange for a moment of worship.
Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours." And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.'"

a. All the kingdoms of the world . . . All this authority I will give to You, and their glory: Satan knew Jesus had come to win the kingdoms of the world. This was an invitation to win back the earth without going to the cross. Satan would simply give it to Jesus, if Jesus would worship before the devil.

i. For this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish: Satan claims that authority over the earth's kingdoms was delivered to him, and Jesus never challenges the statement. Who delivered it over to Satan and when? In Genesis 1, God gave man dominion over the earth, and Adam and his descendants have forfeited it over to Satan.

ii. Satan is the ruler of this world (John 12:31) and the prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2) by the popular election of mankind since the days of Adam.

iii. Since Satan possesses the glory of the kingdoms of this world, and can give it to whomever I wish, it should not surprise us to see the ungodly in positions of power and prestige.

b. If You will worship before me, all will be Yours: The Father's plan for Jesus was for Him to suffer first, then enter His glory (Luke 24:25-26). Satan offered Jesus a way out of the suffering.

i. One day, it will be said that The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever (Revelation 11:15). Satan offered this to Jesus now, before the agony of the cross.

ii. If Jesus accepted this, our salvation would be impossible. He might have gained some sort of "authority" to rule, but He could not redeem individual sinners through His sacrifice.

And
John
8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Hebrews 2:14 -

Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

So call as you may. Fat

 

[MbiaJc]

Fat

So Christ will take the place of the ruler of “The principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places.” No he will defeat the rulers of darkness.

This is not the spin zone, if you going to spin what been said then don't.

Christ will take the domain that Satin is ruler over and rule it in the proper way is what I said. He will use it for good and not evil.

Does the devil have limited power over evil? Sure but not over all men and as shown earlier only limited power over his own demons.

Satin rules over the influnces behind the powerful influnces. He has complete authority there. When Jesus Christ takes complete control of his inheritance(which Satin will be bound during the 1000yr then cast in the lake of fire) He will use them for good and not bad.

Power over ALL the kingdoms of the world?

The devil has nothing to offer me, he is a fraud, a liar, a faults god, even the disciples were given power over the devil and his demons.

I am not under the devils domain, nor does he have power over me, I have been given to Christ. How about you?

Not so! Till Christ comes back binds and cast him in the botomless pit you are. However born again believers have been given the power to overcome him. But it is a continous battle. Praise be to God when he is bound and finally cast into the lake of fire we will not have him to battle with anymore.

This is not an offer to become the ruler of darkness, and spiritual wickedness. And Christ answer is that you can’t tempt God. Can the devil offer God back what little power He has given to the devil as a temptation? No of course not.

Not so! Satin has been given this domain which he is using for evil. He is not going to give it up willingly even thoe he has been defeated. Jesus will take it by force when He comes back. And use it for good, not for evil.

For any of you out there reading this that have not accepted God offer of salvation His offer is real and true. He can not lie as the devil did here. Gods offer is for eternal life and the devil has nothing to offer but lies and death.

AND

 

[kyzar]

i had a quick discussion about this with a friend, both unsure of how to go about answering it... we came to the conclusion, that while satan has no real 'power' as such (God rules His creation, Christ has conquered sin), he still has the ability to deceive and thus control people. Satan saying i will give you all this (which is Christ's in any case) was an offer of: "i will leave it alone and not interfer with it" rather than "it's mine and ill give it to you"...
Those were our thoughts, and it was a v. quick conversation...

 

[MbiaJc]

i had a quick discussion about this with a friend, both unsure of how to go about answering it... we came to the conclusion, that while satan has no real 'power' as such (God rules His creation, Christ has conquered sin), he still has the ability to deceive and thus control people. Satan saying i will give you all this (which is Christ's in any case) was an offer of: "i will leave it alone and not interfer with it" rather than "it's mine and ill give it to you"...
Those were our thoughts, and it was a v. quick conversation...

You should have some more quick conversations because the devil is the god of this world he has a domain God has given him. Re-read my last post.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Did\does Satin have the power and authority to give Jesus what he offered Him. When he took Him up on the mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world. And offered them to Jesus if He would only worship him.

And what kingdoms did he show Jesus?

5And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

8And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

I would be interested in what you think. Thanks in advance

Throughout the Bible there are instances where Satan has tried and failed because he didn't have permission of God to do certain things...
Books of :
Esther
Job
Genesis
Jeremiah


He has no authority except that given by God, and he cannot touch the children of God without His permission.

 

[]RiSeN[]

Really? satan or his minions cant touch any of us? hmmm, could you then tell me why or how Jesus was throughout his ministry expulsing demons from humans? And if your going to tell me that these "demons" were simply evil thoughts people were battling with, also explain Matthew 8:28-34, Luke 8:26-34.

"When he got to the other side, into the country of the Gad·a·renes´, there met him two demon-possessed men coming out from among the memorial tombs, unusually fierce, so that nobody had the courage to pass by on that road. And, look! they screamed, saying: "What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?" But a long way off from them a herd of many swine was at pasture. So the demons began to entreat him, saying: "If you expel us, send us forth into the herd of swine." Accordingly he said to them: "Go!" They came out and went off into the swine; and, look! the entire herd rushed over the precipice into the sea and died in the waters. But the herders fled and, going into the city, they reported everything, including the affair of the demon-possessed men. And, look! all the city turned out to meet Jesus; and after having seen him, they earnestly urged him to move out from their districts." -Matthew 8:28-34

"And they put in to shore in the country of the Ger´a·senes, which is on the side opposite Gal´i·lee. But as he got out onto land a certain man from the city who had demons met him. And for a considerable time he had not worn clothing, and he was staying, not at home, but among the tombs. At the sight of Jesus he cried aloud and fell down before him, and with a loud voice he said: "What have I to do with you, Jesus Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me." (For he had been ordering the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For over a long time it had held him fast, and he was repeatedly bound with chains and fetters under guard, but he would burst the bonds and be driven by the demon into the lonely places.) Jesus asked him: "What is your name?" He said: "Legion," because many demons had entered into him. And they kept entreating him not to order them to go away into the abyss. Now a herd of a considerable number of swine was feeding there on the mountain; so they entreated him to permit them to enter into those. And he gave them permission. Then the demons went out of the man and entered into the swine, and the herd rushed over the precipice into the lake and drowned. But when the herders saw what had happened, they fled and reported it to the city and to the countryside."- Luke 8:28-34

And yes, i know there both accounts of the same event.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Really? satan or his minions cant touch any of us? hmmm, could you then tell me why or how Jesus was throughout his ministry expulsing demons from humans? And if your going to tell me that these "demons" were simply evil thoughts people were battling with, also explain Matthew 8:28-34, Luke 8:26-34.

"When he got to the other side, into the country of the Gad·a·renes´, there met him two demon-possessed men coming out from among the memorial tombs, unusually fierce, so that nobody had the courage to pass by on that road. And, look! they screamed, saying: "What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?" But a long way off from them a herd of many swine was at pasture. So the demons began to entreat him, saying: "If you expel us, send us forth into the herd of swine." Accordingly he said to them: "Go!" They came out and went off into the swine; and, look! the entire herd rushed over the precipice into the sea and died in the waters. But the herders fled and, going into the city, they reported everything, including the affair of the demon-possessed men. And, look! all the city turned out to meet Jesus; and after having seen him, they earnestly urged him to move out from their districts." -Matthew 8:28-34

"And they put in to shore in the country of the Ger´a·senes, which is on the side opposite Gal´i·lee. But as he got out onto land a certain man from the city who had demons met him. And for a considerable time he had not worn clothing, and he was staying, not at home, but among the tombs. At the sight of Jesus he cried aloud and fell down before him, and with a loud voice he said: "What have I to do with you, Jesus Son of the Most High God? I beg you, do not torment me." (For he had been ordering the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For over a long time it had held him fast, and he was repeatedly bound with chains and fetters under guard, but he would burst the bonds and be driven by the demon into the lonely places.) Jesus asked him: "What is your name?" He said: "Legion," because many demons had entered into him. And they kept entreating him not to order them to go away into the abyss. Now a herd of a considerable number of swine was feeding there on the mountain; so they entreated him to permit them to enter into those. And he gave them permission. Then the demons went out of the man and entered into the swine, and the herd rushed over the precipice into the lake and drowned. But when the herders saw what had happened, they fled and reported it to the city and to the countryside."- Luke 8:28-34

And yes, i know there both accounts of the same event.

you left out my qualifier of "without permission".

Did it not occur to you that had God not given His permission for these demons to infest that man, that the Glory of Jesus would not have been shown in that event. That passage would not be in the Bible, and we would not know of His power of the demons and imps of Satan.

There is a purpose for everything that touches our lives...but as Christians, and His children, He has the provident control over everything that touches our lives

God Bless

 

[Fat]

you left out my qualifier of "without permission".

Did it not occur to you that had God not given His permission for these demons to infest that man, that the Glory of Jesus would not have been shown in that event. That passage would not be in the Bible, and we would not know of His power of the demons and imps of Satan.

There is a purpose for everything that touches our lives...but as Christians, and His children, He has the provident control over everything that touches our lives

God Bless

Well said Gwenyfur

1 Corinthians 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to humanity. God is faithful and He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation He will also provide a way of escape, so that you are able to bear it.

James 1:14 But each person is tempted when he is drawn away and enticed by his own evil desires. 15 Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death.

 

[]RiSeN[]

I agree on the "without his permission" part. However i fail to see the relevence of your comments with the OP. Yes God has absolute power over all creation in the big picture, which i think your statements are refering to. But the OP is asking if satans offer to Jesus was possible, if he indeed had the power he was offering Jesus. As i stated in my first post, and excerpts of Fat's posts confirm, this was only a ruse. It was an an attempt to prevent Jesus from fullfilling his ministry and sacrifice. Please read my first post(cuz im still pretty new and i still cant figure out how to insert quotes, lol). Did satan have power over what he was offering, the kingdoms of the world, mans world? Man is shackled in "sin" or "imperfection" if you will, and the devil is the father of it. He may not be the "Lord of the estate", but he is the father of a portion of those living on the estate is my point.