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Satanic symbols or is it just me?

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But the explanation about that this inverted cross being the cross on which the Apostle Peter was crucified does not make sense.
And the explanation that it's a Satanic symbol does make sense? This can only mean one of several things:

A) The inverted cross was used in a Papal Mass out in public because the Vatican is too stupid to know that it's really a Satanic symbol;

B) The inverted cross was used in a Papal Mass out in public because Satan is too stupid to know that it's really a Petrine symbol;

C) The inverted cross was used in a Papal Mass out in public because the Vatican is really controlled by Old Scratch, but they're too stupid to know that displaying the proof out in the open like that will quickly be spotted by clever Christians who will instantly recognize it for what it really is, and thus know what the Catholic Church is really all about (curses, foiled again!).

Oh, please.
However, historical records indicate that, while Peter was nailed on the cross upside down, the cross was set in the ground just the same upright way that the Roman executioners always set it. In other words, the cross was not inverted! Peter was inverted, not the cross.
I'd like a cite on this, too---which historical records indicate this, Catchup? (Standard bibliographic reference will be fine.)
Hrm, can you explain to me then (given your *ahem* "historical factoids") how Peter's arms were nailed to the cross if the arm-beams were at his feet?
They nailed his arms to the horizontal beam okay; the problem were his legs, flopping over the top of the vertical beam at the knee...... :rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by kern


It's all in the wording. I made that clear in previous posts. You can question catholic practices without calling them satanic, or making challenges about the antichrist.

-Chris

In other words, its called being polite or diplomatic. Example: see how Paul witnessed to the Athenian Greeks.

Remember this is a Christian forum not the WWF (World Wrestling Federation- a brutish musclemen drama/comedy). LOL.

Cheers,

YM
 
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Originally posted by Neo


“Don’t go to God for forgiveness of sins, come to me.”
--Pope John Paul II, Los Angeles Times, December 12, 1984

Can you explain this blasphemy? I have other examples if you want to see them.

Hello Neo,

Were you joking or is that for real? I thought the Catholic Church put all that behind them.

YM
 
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OH MY LORD! Now my confusion is turning into SERIOUS doubt... read this:

Originally posted by Neo
Matthew 24:15
You will see ‘The Awful Horror’ of which the prophet Daniel spoke. It will be standing in the holy place. (Note to the reader: understand what this means!)

Is the awful horror standing in the holy place?

The inverted cross symbolizes mockery and rejection of Jesus Christ, this symbol is common among Satanists. Take a look at the inverted cross in these photos of the Pope:

imagePopeInvertedCross.jpg

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popebala.jpg


The bent crucifix is a another satanic symbol intended to mock Christ. Here is an example of the bent crucifix and a normal crucifix:

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Here is an image of the Pope with the bent crucifix:

imagePopeBentCross.jpg


2 Thessalonians 2:4
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other [than Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

“Don’t go to God for forgiveness of sins, come to me.”
--Pope John Paul II, Los Angeles Times, December 12, 1984

"...We declare, state and define that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of all human beings that they submit to the Roman Pontiff [pope]."
--POPE BONIFACE VIII, BULL UNUM SANCTUM

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
 
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How about that article, Neo? Any luck?

Wolseley: I have some quotes from the Pope that might interest you. They are on my thread "Is this Good or Evil".

Please understand that I am not Trying to harm the Catholics. But I do feel that the worshiper should understand what is happening. This is the Church that Jesus started...it must be kept PURE!!!!

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:) Well, Catchup, the Pope does use a lot of long-winded phraseology (what I term "Vaticanese"), but that's because he has to couch the stuff in langauage that can be translated into every tongue on earth. Catholicism is a world-wide faith, after all.

And while I agree that all sorts of dire, mysterious things can be "read into" the Pope's statements, the fact remains that if one reads the same passage, totally divorced from dispensationalist theology, then all the sinister aspects of it suddenly evaporate, and you're left with a statment made by a guy who wants to see humanity improve, not devolve.

I'm sure that John Nelson Darby, envisioning all manner of malignant conspiracies to take over the world, would undoubtably disagree with me. :)
 
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If there is a conspiracy against the Catholic Church...
The Vatican seems to supply all the ammunition needed to destroy itself. I do not want any of this.

But can you tell me who designed the courtyard pattern of Saint Peter's Basicalla? It is the "Eight Fold Path to Enlightenment" pattern. Also why was it thought necessary to include pagan son gods within its boundaries? Are you aware of any of this? Do you know its meaning?

I am not trying to destroy your Church... Quite the contrary!! I want you as a body of "Christians" to exert control of the Church that Jesus founded upon Peter. I want the Church not only to survive but to flourish!!

Maybe you think of me as an enemy.
Lucky for me ... you are a good Christian and so you must love me. :D

:) LOVE
 
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Maybe you think of me as an enemy.
Lucky for me ... you are a good Christian and so you must love me.
No, Catchup, I do not consider you an enemy. I have dealt with other people who have an anti-Catholic pathology, who hate Catholics and their Church with every ounce of their might and being, and even them I merely consider ill-informed, but not enemies. You are far too reasonable and balanced to even approach their level. :)
But can you tell me who designed the courtyard pattern of Saint Peter's Basicalla? It is the "Eight Fold Path to Enlightenment" pattern. Also why was it thought necessary to include pagan son gods within its boundaries? Are you aware of any of this? Do you know its meaning?
I dealt with this accusation years ago on another board, when somebody posted some stuff from an outfit called XL Ministries. (Personally, I think the name should have been "MX Missile, Aimed At Catholics", but that's another story.)

The courtyard of St. Peter's Square was designed by an Italian architecht, Gian Lorenzo Bernini, and built between 1656 and 1667. It is not a circle, but actually an oval, with two long arms extending back towards the basilica; if you look at it from directly overhead, it looks like two encircling hands on the ends of wrists, symbolizing the care of the Church for all people.

Bernini had to work around a lot of obstacles in his day, including other buildings and whatnot, when he built St. Peter's Square. The obelisk which the Square is built around was in place long before the Square was built; Bernini simply built the Square around it. The obelisk, which was originally a monument to Horus, the Egyptian sun god, was brought to Rome from the Egyptian city of Heliopolis by the emperor Caligula in 39 AD and set up in the Circus of Nero, where it remained throughout the Middle Ages. Pope Sixtus V ordered it to be moved to its present location in 1586, and it was surmounted with a bronze Christian Cross (containing a fragment of the True Cross), to symbolize Christ Triumphant.

The Dharma Chakra, or the Buddhist Wheel of Law, is an eight-spoked circle, symbolizing the Noble Eightfold Path found in Buddhist philosophy. Bernini's design, as I said, is an oval, not a circle, so if St. Peter's Square is a Dharma Chakra, then it's running on a flat tire, since it would be rather lopsided. Insofar as I know, the eight sections of Bernini's design do not represent anything, other than that they line up with each of the four corners of the curved collonades, with the apex of the curve of the collonades, and with the Via della Conciliazone, the street which leads to the Basilica.

In short, the obelisk does not represent the Egyptian sun god anymore; it has a Cross atop it, and it represents Christ Triumphant, the Light of the World. And Bernini's design is not a Buddhist Wheel of Law, since a wheel is round and St. Peter's Square is an oval.

But, if one looks hard enough and has a vivid enough imagination, one can find sinister symbolism in just about dern near anything. Just ask Jack Chick. :D
 
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and it was surmounted with a bronze Christian Cross (containing a fragment of the True Cross), to symbolize Christ Triumphant.


The obelisk which now stands in St. Peter's Square was brought to Rome in the time of Caligula and erected in Nero's circus, at the foot of Vatican Hill. Unlike the other obelisks, it remained standing throughout the Middle Ages. In 1585 Sixtus V decided to position it in front of the basilica of St. Peter's. The complicated feat of engineering was accomplished by Domenico Fontana and is illustrated by a number of drawings and by a fresco in the Vatican Library; it took 140 horses and 900 men. A story recounts that onlookers were ordered not to speak while the obelisk was being raised, on pain of death; but a sailor, seeing that the ropes were about to give way, shouted "Water to the ropes!" and by wetting the ropes the workmen managed to manoeuvre the obelisk into position. Eighty years later Gian Lorenzo Bernini designed St. Peter's Square, with its eliptical colonnade, around the obelisk. On the top were placed the emblems of the Chigi family (mounts and a star), encasing a fragment of the True Cross.

Which is true... mounts and stars...or a bronze cross?


I guess I will not post what the placement of the obelisk inside the circle means to Satanist. :D LOL

Why ..oh...Why is the Church so blind? You would think it would go to extremes to prevent misinterpretation not encourage. Time will tell.

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Which is true... mounts and stars...or a bronze cross?
All you gotta do is go to any bookstore, pick up a copy of an Italian tour guide, and look at the pictures. Is it a cross, or mounts and stars? Sure looks like a cross to me. :)
I guess I will not post what the placement of the obelisk inside the circle means to Satanist. LOL
It means male penetration of the female. :)
Why ..oh...Why is the Church so blind? You would think it would go to extremes to prevent misinterpretation not encourage. Time will tell.
The question, of course, is who is going to extremes to come up with the interpretations, nu? ;)
 
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Which is true... mounts and stars...or a bronze cross?
All you gotta do is go to any bookstore, pick up a copy of an Italian tour guide, and look at the pictures. Is it a cross, or mounts and stars? Sure looks like a cross to me.

Wolseley: I found that we were both right...

Bernini design the St.Peter square with the eliptic columnate, around the obelisk. It is one of the interesting and high obelisk in Rome, the legend say that the bronze globe of the top had the ashes of Julius Cesar, during recolocation the workers inspected the metal globe that was in the stop, not finding anythhing Pope Sixto V, removed the globe replacing it by a cross and bronze crest of the Chigi Family (an star on small ones mount). In 1818 four Egyptian lions were added to the base.

But who is the Chigi Family?

Here is the web site. It has picture of the obselisk in St. Peter's Sguare...

History of ST. Peter Square Obelisk

:) LOVE
 
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