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Satan and the Passion, what do you think?

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I know this is all speculative, but I'd like your input....

There are Catholic visionaries, most notably Anne Catherine Emmerich, who claim that Satan tempted Jesus the night of his Passion and seemed to try to talk Him out of the Passion. As I read the Fathers, it would seem that the reverse is true, that Satan wanted Christ to die. In his arrogance, the Prince of Lies apparently wanted to become God by killing God. The Emmerich-style visions seem to give Satan more knowledge and insight than he deserves.

I would think in the Orthodox approach, with Christ trampling death by death and entering into the brutal Cross, death in a shameful manner, only to rise again, Satan was naively trying to nudge him to the Cross. What Satan sees as folly and opportunity, God sees as victory. Augustine saw the Atonement as a mousetrap. That says a lot IMO.

I know it's all speculation, but it's a topic that crossed my mind and I'd love to hear all your thoughts. Did Satan want the Passion or not?
 

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I would have to agree with you. Theres a tradition that Mary Magdelene wasnt a prostitute but a pious woman whom satan afflicted because he was lead to believe she was chosen to give birth to the messiah. The virgin birth completely escaped his knowledge and didnt realize the messiah was born till His baptism at the Jordan . In ST Ignatius epistle to the Ephesians he wrote:

'Now the virginity of Mary was hidden from the prince of this world, as was also her offspring, and the death of the Lord; three mysteries of renown, which were wrought in silence by God'. (Epistle to Eph ch19)
 
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I know this is all speculative, but I'd like your input....

There are Catholic visionaries, most notably Anne Catherine Emmerich, who claim that Satan tempted Jesus the night of his Passion and seemed to try to talk Him out of the Passion. As I read the Fathers, it would seem that the reverse is true, that Satan wanted Christ to die. In his arrogance, the Prince of Lies apparently wanted to become God by killing God. The Emmerich-style visions seem to give Satan more knowledge and insight than he deserves.

I would think in the Orthodox approach, with Christ trampling death by death and entering into the brutal Cross, death in a shameful manner, only to rise again, Satan was naively trying to nudge him to the Cross. What Satan sees as folly and opportunity, God sees as victory. Augustine saw the Atonement as a mousetrap. That says a lot IMO.

I know it's all speculation, but it's a topic that crossed my mind and I'd love to hear all your thoughts. Did Satan want the Passion or not?

I'm afraid to reply to this question. The last time someone asked me this question I gave the same response as the one that follows and it would seem there were some strange and frightening consequences for me later on that evening, in the form of a hellish nightmare during which I was not actually asleep, and therefore could not wake up from. Lord have mercy.

In my humble speculation, faith is something that Satan does not -- could not possibly-- have. Satan, in order to be able to dwell in his narcissistic lie, chooses self-deception, the illusion that God is not real, or at least not legitimately supreme. True faith on the part of human beings, then, is problematic to him because it serves to weaken this illusion or false reality that he lives by. If he wished to cause Job, for example, to abandon his faith in God, it was because Job's failure would've provided him with evidence supporting his own illusion that God is not legitimate. It would therefore be the same in the case of a perfectly sinless human being such as Jesus. Such faith, such devotion to God on the part of a human would not seem possible if God were not for real and supreme. This is why Satan was so determined to succeed first in tempting him into various sins, including the sin of turning from His righteous ways in order to escape crucifixion. It is Christ's righteousness and truth, openly and publicly expressed, which made His death at the hands of evildoers inescapable: a fact He was well aware of. The mechanisms for sin and evil that Satan himself had incorporated into the world of mankind (society) were constructed in such a way that the killing of the bearer of Truth is automatic: a runaway train that Satan himself would find it difficult to stop, even if he wanted to. Men can be perfectly evil even without the presence and influence of Satan.

Anyway, Satan did not believe, did not wish to believe that Jesus was the Son of God. To Satan, the mere thought of this would've filled him with great torment. Thus, as he couldn't disprove Christ's divinity by tempting Christ into sinning, his last recourse was to allow the sinful mechanisms he'd erected in the hearts and minds of men to cause Him to be killed, so that this great Truth-bearer would be silenced through death. His death would be proof, for Satan, that Jesus was not divine.

This exhibits the difference between Satan and his followers: the ordinary demons. For when ordinary demons came face to face with Christ they were completely undone; unable to hold on to their illusion/self-deception at all when confronted with God's glaring presence in person of Jesus. They immediately cried in agony, openly proclaiming Him to be Son of God, begging Him, for example, to be allowed to enter into a nearby heard of swine, only to charge away in chaotic fear in their frenzied need to escape Christ's presence and the utter torment it wrought upon them, plunging into the sea. Satan's self-deception, on the other hand, his inability to percieve God's truth, is so far above that of common demons that he was able to still mostly deny God, even in the presence of Jesus, tempting Him as if He were merely an ordinary human being. This might be why Christ calls him the father of liars. His liar ability is supreme. He's the Grandaddy of all illusion, self-deception, and lies.
 
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I hope it's okay if I clarify something about this topic :) I'm not arguing the understanding of this, I just wanted to clarify what Emmerich said in the book.

In the book, yes the devil tries to tempt Christ out of consenting to the Passion, in the Garden of Gethsemane. However, this is not because he knows that Christ is God or anything much about the Passion. It in fact says in that same chapter: "...in one word Satan, in the hopes of causing Jesus to waver, suggested to him every thought by which he would have tempted at the hour of death an ordinary mortal who might have performed all these actions without a superhuman intention; for it was hidden from him that Jesus was the Son of God, and he tempted him only as the most just of men." This quote is right after the part when the devil tempts Christ to think that He had sinned in some way, of course these were all lies because Christ never sinned.

Hope that helps to answer your question :) God bless!
 
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I think Mel Gibson's reason for the devil being there is from Luke's gospel after the temptation in the wilderness, where it states that the devil left Christ until a more apropriate time. so I think the devil was there testing and tempting personally, so I have no problem with Mel's version of him testing the Lord in the Garden.
 
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For those that would claim that Satan did not know or want to know that Jesus was the Son of God: how would they reconcile that the demons knew Jesus as the Son of God? If demons knew who he was why would Satan not?

It is because Satan's illusion/self-deception is on a whole different level than that of the ordinary demons, as I suggested in my earlier quote. He does not wish to acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God because he does not wish to acknowledge God. He was determined to prove that Jesus was a mere faithful man, by tempting Him to turn from His righteous ways. The ordinary demons do not possess the same self-deceiving ability/power as their father, who is the prince of darkness and lies: the spiritual embodiment of narcissism (self-love). Hence, they were unable to block out the divine presence in Christ while he was in the physical vicinity of the individuals whom they'd possessed.
 
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For those that would claim that Satan did not know or want to know that Jesus was the Son of God: how would they reconcile that the demons knew Jesus as the Son of God? If demons knew who he was why would Satan not?

Alternately, consider this: That God has endowed all His higher creatures (man, angels, archangels, etc.) with free will. This freedom of will is basically the freedom to either acknowledge God and humbly bow before Him, or to choose narcissism (self-hood) and therefore disconnect from spiritual union with God; to essentially "hide from God".

Let's consider then, if Christ wished to forcefully expel demons from the victims of their possession, how difficult it would be for Him, having the power of God, to momentarily remove from them their ability to "hide from God", so that they would be tormented by the revelation of the hideous "falsehood" of their own delusion when faced with the blazing light of His truth. Their identification of Him as the Son of God can now be understood as "forced", such as will be the state of all existence after Christ's return.

As it is now, Satan, demons, and sinful men and women have the ability to "hide from God", as did Adam and Eve when their sin made them feel ashamed ("we were naked and so we hid"). At the end of the ages, however, we have been taught and we believe that this ability will be taken from us.

So, it could be that Christ chose to momentarily remove the ordinary demons ability to "hide from Him" so that they would be forced to flee from their victims, whereas He chose not to remove Satan's ability to "hide from Him" for reasons related to the passion and resurrection.
 
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