Samaritan Torah

[HARK!]

I still have not found a comprehensive outline on how neither the Karaites, nor the Samaritans celebrate Pesach.

Found it!

The Samaritan Passover

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Found it!

The Samaritan Passover

There are numerous videos on YouTube of the Samaritan Passover

 

[Heber Book List]

Couldn't you apply those same inferences to Yahshua's encounters with the Pharisees? Who has not fallen short?

I didn't write the Christian Testament - I was merely pointing out that he disagreed with the Samaritan way of life and worship, as that account makes clear. He also disagreed with other people as we all know; that is pretty much a given. Were I to list all with whom he disagreed it would make a very long thread!

 

[HARK!]

I didn't write the Christian Testament - I was merely pointing out that he disagreed with the Samaritan way of life and worship, as that account makes clear. He also disagreed with other people as we all know; that is pretty much a given. Were I to list all with whom he disagreed it would make a very long thread!

(CLV) Jn 4:20
Our fathers worship in this mountain, and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where one |must worship."

(CLV) Jn 4:21
Jesus is saying to her, "Believe Me, woman, that, coming is an hour when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem shall you be worshiping the Father.

Notice that he said that you would not be worshiping on either mountain. What does this mean?

(CLV) Jn 4:22
You are worshiping that of which you are not aware;...

It would make it a very long thread; because you're generalizing in such broad strokes. Specifically Yahshua didn't acknowledge the Samaritan woman's straw man argument. He went on to say that she wasn't aware of that which she was worshiping. She worshiped YHWH, What he said is that she is not aware of YHWH. Again, Yahshua didn't answer within the confines of her straw man argument.



(CLV) Jn 4:22
...we are worshiping that of which we are aware, for salvation is of the Jews.


Yahshua goes on to say that "we" are aware. We can speculate the extent of who "we" are; but we would be left with speculation. We do however, know that Yahshua was included in "we." Yahshua proclaims that he is aware of the father. This is truth. He then goes on to tell her that salvation comes through the Jews. Do you think that Yahshua was talking about the Pharisees? Yah's shua comes only through Yahshua.

(CLV) Jn 4:23
But coming is the hour, and now is, when the true worshipers will be worshiping the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also is seeking such to be worshiping Him.

(CLV) Jn 4:24
God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth."

So where should we worship?

(CLV) Dt 12:5
But rather for the place that Yahweh your Elohim shall choose from all your tribes, to establish His Name there, you shall inquire for His tabernacle, and there will you come.

(CLV) Dt 12:6
You will bring there your ascent offerings and your sacrifices, your tithes and the heave offering of your hand, your vow offerings and your voluntary offerings, and the firstling of your herd and your flock.

(CLV) 1Co 6:19
Or are you not aware that your body is a temple of the holy spirit in you, which you have from God, and you are not your own?

(CLV) Re 3:12
The one who is conquering, him will I be making a pillar in the temple of My God, and he may be coming out nevermore, and I will be writing on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which is descending out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

(CLV) Lk 17:20
Now, being inquired of by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God is coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with scrutiny.

(CLV) Lk 17:21
Neither shall they be declaring Lo! here!' or `Lo! there!' for lo! the kingdom of God is inside of you."

 

[Heber Book List]

To what do you think his reference to living water refers?

 

[HARK!]

To what do you think his reference to living water refers?

I think that it's a reference to the Ruach HaKodesh.

 

[Heber Book List]

I think that it's a reference to the Ruach HaKodesh.

Living water, and similar descriptions re. water, are often metaphors for the Law, as in the case in question.

Anti-Law Christians have read into it, incorrectly, that it can only be the Spirit, and so that has become the norm, over time. The context here points to it being the Law which, given the debate about Samaritan Law vs Judaic Law on this thread, makes it self evident.

 

[pinacled]

I think that it's a reference to the Ruach HaKodesh.

in a sense yes,
the haqodosh of many waters being pure and flowing from the single well of evening wisdom, then being drawn by those who have been without such till the Call.

Blessing Always.

 

[HARK!]

Living water, and similar descriptions re. water, are often metaphors for the Law

Can you show me one verse that makes this irrefutably clear?

as in the case in question.

Here you have presented an unsupported claim as fact. Can you prove it as fact?

The subject of any points of the law had not come up when Yahshua made this statement:

(CLV) Jn 4:14
yet whoever may be drinking of the water which I shall be giving him, shall under no circumstances be thirsting for the eon, but the water which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of water, welling up into life eonian."

Let's look at this verse carefully.

the water which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of water, welling up into life eonian

Let's try it your way first.

the [LAW] which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of [LAW], welling up into life eonian

YHWH already gave us the law through Moshe. Yahshua fulfilled that law. He said that nothing would pas from it. Why would he say that he shall be giving (future tense) us the law? Does the law well up in us into eternal life? Yahshua was filled with the Ruach without measure. Yahshua, shortly before his departure, said that YHWH would send the Ruach. What is a spring? It is a portal from which water pours out onto the earth. Are you saying that the law that Yahshua gave us, will become in us a spring of law?

Now let's look at it the way I see it.

the [life-giving breath] which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of [life-giving breath], welling up into life eonian

This makes clear sense to me.

Anti-Law Christians have read into it, incorrectly, that it can only be the Spirit, and so that has become the norm, over time. The context here points to it being the Law which, given the debate about Samaritan Law vs Judaic Law on this thread, makes it self evident.

It's not Samaritan law; and it's not Judaic law. It's Yahweh's law. What's clear is that neither the Jews nor Samaritans fully understood it.

(CLV) Jn 4:21
Jesus is saying to her, "Believe Me, woman, that, coming is an hour when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem shall you be worshiping the Father.

(CLV) Jn 4:23
But coming is the hour, and now is, when the true worshipers will be worshiping the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also is seeking such to be worshiping Him.

Notice that Yahshua didn't respond according to that false dichotomy.

The biblical text circulated in antiquity in different forms, many of which are now known to us, especially after the scrolls from the Dead Sea area have been found in recent decades. It is now clear that in the last pre-Christian centuries many different text forms were in use in Palestine

http://www.emanueltov.info/docs/varia/67.Proto-SamaritanTexts.2.pdf?v=1.0

 

[HARK!]

in a sense yes,
the haqodosh of many waters being pure and flowing from the single well of evening wisdom, then being drawn by those who have been without such till the Call.

Blessing Always.

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[danny ski]

Can you show me one verse that makes this irrefutably clear?



Here you have presented an unsupported claim as fact. Can you prove it as fact?

The subject of any points of the law had not come up when Yahshua made this statement:

(CLV) Jn 4:14
yet whoever may be drinking of the water which I shall be giving him, shall under no circumstances be thirsting for the eon, but the water which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of water, welling up into life eonian."

Let's look at this verse carefully.

the water which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of water, welling up into life eonian

Let's try it your way first.

the [LAW] which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of [LAW], welling up into life eonian

YHWH already gave us the law through Moshe. Yahshua fulfilled that law. He said that nothing would pas from it. Why would he say that he shall be giving (future tense) us the law? Does the law well up in us into eternal life? Yahshua was filled with the Ruach without measure. Yahshua, shortly before his departure, said that YHWH would send the Ruach. What is a spring? It is a portal from which water pours out onto the earth. Are you saying that the law that Yahshua gave us, will become in us a spring of law?

Now let's look at it the way I see it.

the [life-giving breath] which I shall be giving him will become in him a spring of [life-giving breath], welling up into life eonian

This makes clear sense to me.



It's not Samaritan law; and it's not Judaic law. It's Yahweh's law. What's clear is that neither the Jews nor Samaritans fully understood it.

(CLV) Jn 4:21
Jesus is saying to her, "Believe Me, woman, that, coming is an hour when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem shall you be worshiping the Father.

(CLV) Jn 4:23
But coming is the hour, and now is, when the true worshipers will be worshiping the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also is seeking such to be worshiping Him.

Notice that Yahshua didn't respond according to that false dichotomy.

The biblical text circulated in antiquity in different forms, many of which are now known to us, especially after the scrolls from the Dead Sea area have been found in recent decades. It is now clear that in the last pre-Christian centuries many different text forms were in use in Palestine

http://www.emanueltov.info/docs/varia/67.Proto-SamaritanTexts.2.pdf?v=1.0

Isaiah 55 comes to mind. The Torah as water is a very common theme in Judaism, it always has been. The Talmud is full of it. The same theme didn't appear in Christianity by accident, after all.

 

[HARK!]

Isaiah 55 comes to mind. The Torah as water is a very common theme in Judaism, it always has been. The Talmud is full of it. The same theme didn't appear in Christianity by accident, after all.

You haven't demonstrated that Isaiah 55 equates living water to the law.

The Talmud is commentary. It can be useful; but often it is of misguided authors. Sometimes it's downright wicked.

Now, concerning what Yahshua was trying to convey to the Samaritan woman:

If you were faced with a quandary of either trusting the commentary of the Talmud, or trusting the commentary of one of Yahshua's hand picked Apostles, and a personal witness, as to Yahshua's message; which would you choose?



(CLV) Jn 7:37
Now on the last, the great day of the festival, Jesus stood and cries, saying, "If anyone should be thirsting, let him come to Me and drink.

(CLV) Jn 7:38
He who is believing in Me, according as the scripture said, out of his bowel shall gush rivers of living water."

(CLV) Jn 7:39
Now this He said concerning the spirit which those believing in Him were about to get. For not as yet was holy spirit given, for Jesus is not as yet glorified.


How do you reconcile this testimony with your position?

I haven't seen this theme in Christianity; but then again, I wouldn't place the commentary of a Christian, over that of Yahshua and his hand picked apostles.

 

[Heber Book List]

You haven't demonstrated that Isaiah 55 equates living water to the law.

I haven't made the argument that water is not a common theme within the Torah. The Talmud is commentary. It can be useful; but often it is of misguided authors. Sometimes it's downright wicked.

Now, concerning what Yahshua was trying to convey to the Samaritan woman:

If you were faced with a quandary of either trusting the commentary of the Talmud, or trusting the commentary of one of Yahshua's hand picked Apostles, and a personal witness, as to Yahshua's message; which would you choose?



(CLV) Jn 7:37
Now on the last, the great day of the festival, Jesus stood and cries, saying, "If anyone should be thirsting, let him come to Me and drink.

(CLV) Jn 7:38
He who is believing in Me, according as the scripture said, out of his bowel shall gush rivers of living water."

(CLV) Jn 7:39
Now this He said concerning the spirit which those believing in Him were about to get. For not as yet was holy spirit given, for Jesus is not as yet glorified.


How do you reconcile this testimony with your position?

You are in error - to disprove the comments made about the woman at the well, you use a totally different text, out of context, and your argument depends on a verse that is debatable as to its authenticity. That is disingenuous, at best.

You are simply attempting to ignore the scriptures and beliefs that Yeshua et al had to hand. The Christian Testament was not available to the people, in his day, because the gospels were penned many years after Yeshua's death, and after Paul penned many of his letters. The gospels were written from memory, by and large, under the guidance of the same G_d as found in the Tanach under whose guidance the Tanach was written. Danny ski is perfectly correct to quote the understandings of the Tanach as handed down over the years in Judaism - it was, after all, Yeshua's Bible, too! I would add Psalm 1 and Isaiah 2:3 and Micah 4:2 and John 4:22. If you look through the Christian Testament, you will see many references to the Tanach, and Yeshua upholding the teaching found in the Sh'ma, among other Tanach teachings. You make the classic Christian error of trying to Christianise the Tanach.

This is a Messianic Judaism Forum and, as such, the Tanach, and its teachings, in various media, are common place here, as is the Christian Testament, and its teachings; we uphold the Word of G_d from Genesis to Revelation. It is not helpful on this Forum to attack those teachings with words like 'wicked' or of similar intent. Please be aware, if you are not already, that there are teachings in Christianity via commentaries and other writings, relating to the whole Bible, that are clearly wrong.

NOTE: My computer has been playing up so I have had to edit the above in places. Last alterations made at 0930 GMT

 

[danny ski]

You haven't demonstrated that Isaiah 55 equates living water to the law.

The Talmud is commentary. It can be useful; but often it is of misguided authors. Sometimes it's downright wicked.

Now, concerning what Yahshua was trying to convey to the Samaritan woman:

If you were faced with a quandary of either trusting the commentary of the Talmud, or trusting the commentary of one of Yahshua's hand picked Apostles, and a personal witness, as to Yahshua's message; which would you choose?



(CLV) Jn 7:37
Now on the last, the great day of the festival, Jesus stood and cries, saying, "If anyone should be thirsting, let him come to Me and drink.

(CLV) Jn 7:38
He who is believing in Me, according as the scripture said, out of his bowel shall gush rivers of living water."

(CLV) Jn 7:39
Now this He said concerning the spirit which those believing in Him were about to get. For not as yet was holy spirit given, for Jesus is not as yet glorified.


How do you reconcile this testimony with your position?

I haven't seen this theme in Christianity; but then again, I wouldn't place the commentary of a Christian, over that of Yahshua and his hand picked apostles.

I'm not a Christian, so I'm no that interested in reconciliation of the unrelated texts. As for the Talmud. If I were a Christian, I would treat it as a valuable secondary source. Jesus ( there's no such name as Yahshua, but that's a different conversation) did not live in a vacuum, he lived in a Jewish society and as a Christian, you do not have any secondary sources from his time that could fill in the background narrative. Water- living, nourishing, etc. is a common theme for the people who have a trip through the dessert in the center of their existence. Not to mention their existence in a very, very dry environment.

 

[pinacled]

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[HARK!]

You are in error - to disprove the comments made about the woman at the well, you use a totally different text, out of context

Let me help you put this into perspective. Yahshua is speaking both times of "living water." I don't believe that he clearly tells one person that it means one thing, and then implies to another person that it means something else.

Your inferences are your inferences. I've inferred, from Yahshua's nature, that Yahshua doesn't contradict himself.

your argument depends on a verse that is debatable as to its authenticity

John 6:69

MT/TR: Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
CT: Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Holy One of God.
John 7:53-8:11

Not according to this source. What is your source? Why don't you back up your assertions?

That is disingenuous, at best.

I'll ignore that comment, considering the source.

You are simply attempting to ignore the scriptures and beliefs that Yeshua et al had to hand.

???

Christian Testament was not available to the people, in his day, because the gospels were penned many years after Yeshua's death, and after Paul penned many of his letters.

So what? His followers could speak with him directly; but how is even relevant to the matter at hand?

The gospels were written from memory, by and large, under the guidance of the same G_d as found in the Tanach under whose guidance the Tanach was written.

And?

Danny ski is perfectly correct to quote the understandings of the Tanach as handed down over the years in Judaism

Again, Yahshua corrected the misunderstandings of Judaism.,

it was, after all, Yeshua's Bible, too!

At least in part. Yirmeyahu pointed out that it contained some lies. Yahshua actually understood what he was reading.

I would add Psalm 1 and Isaiah 2:3 and Micah 4:2 and John 4:22.

I failed to find the words ' living water' in any of those verses. Are you presenting a red herring?

If you look through the Christian Testament, you will see many references to the Tanach, and Yeshua upholding the teaching found in the Sh'ma, among other Tanach teachings

And?

You make the classic Christian error of trying to Christianise the Tanach.

Define Christian. I'm not trying to Christianize anything, anymore than Yahshua did. I follow Yahshua. I seek YHWH's truth.

This is a Messianic Judaism Forum and, as such, the Tanach, anruth.d its teachings, in various media, are common place here, as is the Christian Testament, and its teachings; we uphold the Word of G_d from Genesis to Revelation.

And?

It is not helpful on this Forum to attack those teachings with words like 'wicked' or of similar intent.

Again, I seek truth. I'll speak it too. Why do you feel the need to bear false witness against me? I didn't attack the truth of the Tanakh, nor the truth of the Brit Chadashah.

I pointed out that there is wickedness contained within the Talmud.

CHAPTER 11 27

MISHNAH. ALL ISRAEL28 HAVE A PORTION IN THE WORLD TO COME,29 FOR IT IS WRITTEN, THY PEOPLE ARE ALL RIGHTEOUS; THEY SHALL INHERIT THE LAND FOR EVER, THE BRANCH OF MY PLANTING, THE WORK OF MY HANDS, THAT I MAY BE GLORIFIED.'30 BUT THE FOLLOWING HAVE NO PORTION THEREIN: HE WHO MAINTAINS THAT RESURRECTION IS NOT A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE,31 THE TORAH WAS NOT DIVINELY REVEALED, AND AN EPIKOROS.32 R. AKIBA ADDED: ONE WHO READS UNCANONICAL BOOKS [i.e. Brit Chadashah]


JCR - The Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin

Rabbi Akiva

Akiba ben Yosef (Hebrew: עקיבא בן יוסף‬‎, c. 50–135 CE)[1] also known as Rabbi Akiva (רבי עקיבא‬), was a tanna of the latter part of the first century and the beginning of the second century (the third tannaitic generation). Rabbi Akiva was a leading contributor to the Mishnah and to Midrash halakha. He is referred to in the Talmud as Rosh la-Hakhamim "Chief of the Sages"

Rabbi Akiva - Wikipedia

Please be aware, if you are not already, that there are teachings in Christianity via commentaries and other writings, relating to the whole Bible, that are clearly wrong.

I'm well aware of that. I beat my head up against false doctrine in the Christian churches for over 30 years. I've tried to teach my "so called" pastors to no avail, hopping from one church to the next, laying the irrefutable truth out, verse upon verse, as plain as day, to those with scales on their eyes.

That's what drove me to a Messianic congregation. I've pointed out the false doctrine being spoken there too, mostly to no avail. I've reached a few. It brings great joy when I see even one leave behind his indoctrination; and take an objective, sincere, look at YHWH's truth.


Shabbat shalom

 

[HARK!]

I'm not a Christian, so I'm no that interested in reconciliation of the unrelated texts. As for the Talmud. If I were a Christian, I would treat it as a valuable secondary source.

Yahshua was a great Rabbi. If I were you I would treat him as a valuable secondary source, after YHWH.

Matthew 22 CJB

23 That same day, some Tz'dukim came to him. They are the ones who say there is no such thing as resurrection, so they put to him a sh'eilah:
24 "Rabbi, Moshe said, `If a man dies childless, his brother must marry his widow and have children to preserve the man's family line.'
25 There were seven brothers. The first one married and then died; and since he had no children, he left his widow to his brother.
26 The same thing happened to the second brother, and the third, and finally to all seven.
27 After them all, the woman died.
28 Now in the Resurrection -- of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all married her."
29 Yeshua answered them, "The reason you go astray is that you are ignorant both of the Tanakh and of the power of God.
30 For in the Resurrection, neither men nor women will marry; rather, they will be like angels in heaven.
31 And as for whether the dead are resurrected, haven't you read what God said to you,
32 `I am the God of Avraham, the God of Yitz'chak and the God of Ya`akov'? He is God not of the dead but of the living!"
33 When the crowds heard how he taught, they were astounded;
34 but when the P'rushim learned that he had silenced the Tz'dukim, they got together,
35 and one of them who was a Torah expert asked a sh'eilah to trap him:
36 "Rabbi, which of the mitzvot in the Torah is the most important?"
37 He told him, "`You are to love ADONAI your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.'
38 This is the greatest and most important mitzvah.
39 And a second is similar to it, `You are to love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All of the Torah and the Prophets are dependent on these two mitzvot."
41 Then, turning to the assembled P'rushim, Yeshua put a sh'eilah to them:
42 "Tell me your view concerning the Messiah: whose son is he?" They said to him, "David's."
43 "Then how is it," he asked them, "that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him `Lord,' when he says,
44 `ADONAI said to my Lord, "Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet"'?
45 If David thus calls him `Lord,' how is he his son?"
46 No one could think of anything to say in reply; and from that day on, no one dared put to him another sh'eilah.

BTW, Yahshua was not a Christian. He was Notzri.

Shabbat shalom

 

[Heber Book List]

Let me help you put this into perspective. Yahshua is speaking both times of "living water." I don't believe that he clearly tells one person that it means one thing, and then implies to another person that it means something else

This is where you start your error - Yeshua is not speaking of 'living water' as such, he is speaking of Torah, using the well known metaphor of 'living water'. That teaching is consistent in both cases, and in context, as you would expect from him, not changing the intended meaning on either occasion.

Words have been added to the Temple account to make it read something else, which is why that verse is shown in parenthesis.

As the rest of your post depends on these errors in your reading of the relevant passages, in context, further debate is pointless.

 

[visionary]

New testament clues.

Yeshua sat at a well while His disciples went into town to buy food. A Samaritan woman came to draw water and Yeshua asked her for a drink. Now this is a setup to meet without the disciples interference. The Samaritan woman was quite shocked because Yeshua was a Jew, and Jews simply hated the Samaritans. Of course, she had no idea who Yeshua was and asked Him how He could ask her for water since He was a Jew. This lays the groundwork to introduce her to "living water" which is being discussed in this thread.

John 4:10 If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

Notice that He does not say that He is the living water, but that He would give living water to her, and when she received it, she would never thirst again. Of course, that does not tell us what the living water is. For that, we must go to another passage of Scripture.

Yeshua is in the temple surrounded by a throng of worshippers. Some believe this is at the time of the feast of dedication which also included a water ceremony.

John 7:37-39 If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scriptures said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified”

So the Holy Spirit is the living waters. Yet if the Holy Spirit does not speak Torah it is not the Holy Spirit but some other spirit.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[Heber Book List]

New testament clues.

Yeshua sat at a well while His disciples went into town to buy food. A Samaritan woman came to draw water and Yeshua asked her for a drink. Now this is a setup to meet without the disciples interference. The Samaritan woman was quite shocked because Yeshua was a Jew, and Jews simply hated the Samaritans. Of course, she had no idea who Yeshua was and asked Him how He could ask her for water since He was a Jew. This lays the groundwork to introduce her to "living water" which is being discussed in this thread.

John 4:10 If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

Notice that He does not say that He is the living water, but that He would give living water to her, and when she received it, she would never thirst again. Of course, that does not tell us what the living water is. For that, we must go to another passage of Scripture.

Yeshua is in the temple surrounded by a throng of worshippers. Some believe this is at the time of the feast of dedication which also included a water ceremony.

John 7:37-39 If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scriptures said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified”

So the Holy Spirit is the living waters. Yet if the Holy Spirit does not speak Torah it is not the Holy Spirit but some other spirit.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

A potential answer, but vs 39 is a problem, which is why in many bibles it is bracketed. The Holy Spirit's job is to point us to the word - he is not the word - so he cannot be the living water. On the other hand, Yeshua IS the word (see John 1:1-14) and is, therefore, the living water from whom flows the Law. The quote that says the Law will go forth from Jerusalem etc. (Isaiah 2:3), is a prophecy that is fulfilled by Yeshua's comments in the Temple.