Salvation

[Light of the East]

So... this is your argument? Obviously we have a series of Epistles that came after Christ ascended into heaven written by the apostles themselves. They expounded on Christ's teachings after he was received into heaven.

Frankly, that doesn't even make any sense.

And you want to condemn me for believing the Bible? Guilty as charged, friend.

As I said earlier, you believe in the interpretation your pastor taught you. 50 other people here would disagree with you, throw Bible verses at you, and claim you are wrong and they are right.

Protestantism is chaos, and chaos is not from God

 

[Light of the East]

there is a difference for who is a debater and who is a truth seeker i am the latter!

If you really are the latter, you will eventually wind up in the Catholic Church as I did. Something that I, as a dedicated Calvinist, never in my wildest dreams imagined.

I wish you well on that journey.

 

[Call me Nic]

As I said earlier, you believe in the interpretation your pastor taught you. 50 other people here would disagree with you, throw Bible verses at you, and claim you are wrong and they are right.

Protestantism is chaos, and chaos is not from God

I'm not going to engage in this debate anymore because I've said everything I could say; you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you.

 

[Light of the East]

Do you want someone to die in their sins? Eternity is on the line! if i am wrong that would make me a false teacher. If i am right you are not saved!

Do you mean, "If I am right, Catholics are not saved" since I post as a Catholic

 

[JIMINZ]

Oh okay, but you don't address the other examples of saved men that were saved BEFORE the law? How do you explain that, bud? Because frankly, your argument is falling apart. Saved by faith alone is a consistent biblical doctrine whether old testament or new testament, especially considering that men were calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved since Genesis 4.

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Salvation in the Old Testament, is not the same as is available after Christ died on the Cross.

Salvation as we know it to be, was not even concept they of the Old Testament understood, because it wasn't available to them.

The blood of bulls and goats only cleaned the flesh, which had to be done repeatedly, the Sacrifice of Jesus blood cleanses the Soul and reconciles us to God in Christ.

 

[JIMINZ]

When it comes to salvation, the details matter.
Secondly, you still haven't answered the question about Abraham or Adam, or Abel, or Noah - men who were saved before the Mosaic law was even around.
Thirdly, the Bible makes it clear that the law never saved anybody (Galatians 2:16, Romans 3:20) but was given to us so that we would know we are sinners (Romans 7:7) and have a need for Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Fourthly, I called upon the name of the Lord in faith, like everyone who has ever been saved according to the Bible has - accepting I'm a sinner (Romans 3:23), understanding that I deserve hell (Romans 6:23, Revelation 21:8), and believing that Jesus Christ was sent to save the world (John 3:16) and then I prayed and asked him to save me (Romans 10:9-10) and that I was trusting him alone (Acts of the Apostles 4:12, John 14:6).

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How are you using the word Saved in relation to Adam, Able, Abraham, Noah?

 

[JIMINZ]

I actually have studied the book of Acts because I used to believe different, and when I studied in depth, the Bible never showed anything but baptism coming after one had already received salvation. Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold up in the court of law.

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When we receive Salvation, what actually are we Saved from., what does it mean to be Saved?

 

[Chinchilla]

As I said earlier, you believe in the interpretation your pastor taught you. 50 other people here would disagree with you, throw Bible verses at you, and claim you are wrong and they are right.

Protestantism is chaos, and chaos is not from God

You could say the same from the other side . You know there were once 3 popes at once and each of them said that they represented Christ ?

Same as some King who wanted divorce but was not given one.

That's why instead of following men we'd rather follow God and read what he wrote ourselfes .

 

[Chinchilla]

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When we receive Salvation, what actually are we Saved from., what does it mean to be Saved?

Saved from second death / second resurrection and the Judgement at Great White Throne Judgement .

Also saved means having ones name written in the Book of the Lamb .

 

[JIMINZ]

2 These. 2:14

What is that supposed to mean, and who is it addressed to answering what?

 

[JIMINZ]

Hebrews 11 speaks of an obedient faith! (John 3:36)

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What is your point, what are you attempting to say, who are you answering, address your posts.

 

[Doulos 7]

If you really are the latter, you will eventually wind up in the Catholic Church as I did. Something that I, as a dedicated Calvinist, never in my wildest dreams imagined.

I wish you well on that journey.[/QUOT Iam not a prodistant nor am I a calvinist! I am simply a member of the church that Jesus built (Matthew 16:18)! Now where in the bible have I found the catholic church!

 

[Light of the East]

You could say the same from the other side . You know there were once 3 popes at once and each of them said that they represented Christ ?

Same as some King who wanted divorce but was not given one.

That's why instead of following men we'd rather follow God and read what he wrote ourselfes .

There may have been three popes at one time, but there was no change in doctrines like there is in Protestantism. You are comparing apples to oranges. Right here on this thread we can see two Protestants who don't even agree on salvation. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has always been unified on doctrine.

And God did not write the Bible.

 

[Call me Nic]

There may have been three popes at one time, but there was no change in doctrines like there is in Protestantism. You are comparing apples to oranges. Right here on this thread we can see two Protestants who don't even agree on salvation. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has always been unified on doctrine.

And God did not write the Bible.

I'm not protestant. A protestant is someone who claims the title as one who protests the Catholic Church, because they wish to reform it and save it from its doctrinal problems. I'm not protesting the Catholic Church - I don't think its savable. And the two of us do agree - we agree that you're wrong.

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The men wrote the words, but God dictated them.

 

[JIMINZ]

A protestant is someone who claims the title as one who protests the Catholic Church

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Sorry, but a Protestant is every single Denomination of Christianity, that is not Catholic......even those who call themselves Non Denominational.

 

[Chinchilla]

There may have been three popes at one time, but there was no change in doctrines like there is in Protestantism. You are comparing apples to oranges. Right here on this thread we can see two Protestants who don't even agree on salvation. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has always been unified on doctrine.

And God did not write the Bible.

There were major changed over time , every council quoted the prvious one plus added something on top of it or changed it for example in one council it was stated that it's possible to get indulgence for few years but from the other council it was changed to fully or partial indulgence - no more time period in years but only full or partial .

 

[Hammster]

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