Salvation

[Call me Nic]

All of those scriptures are great! but still, John 3:5 tells us that baptism is essential for salvation as well as 1 Pet. 3:21. if faith alone saved you would find it in the new testament!

So how was the thief on the cross saved? Or Abraham, or Moses? Or Isaiah? Or Daniel? Or Noah? Or Adam? Or Abel?

And don't say "they were saved differently" because they were saved the same way by the same God - which is by believing and having faith/trusting in God.

 

[Doulos 7]

Define "obedient faith" please. The Bible doesn't, so I would like you to; the Bible only ever talks about having faith or not, there is no distinction between so called "obedient faith" and "disobedient faith." To have faith at all is obedient... because you obey the gospel by believing it (Romans 6:17, 2 Thessalonians 1:8, Matthew 7:21, John 6:40).

Obedient faith is faith that 1. believes 2. obeys
even rehab had to obey! just believing that the Israelites were going to spare her was not enough! her faith PRODUCED the obedience that we read about!

 

[Doulos 7]

Romans 10:14 King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

God calls you by some preacher who is ministering to you preaching the gospel , if you hear , UNDERSTAND and believe then you are saved . Simple

Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

AMEN! and Romans 6:3,4 tells us how to obey the death, burial, and resurrection of the lord!

 

[Call me Nic]

Obedient faith is faith that 1. believes 2. obeys
even rehab had to obey! just believing that the Israelites were going to spare her was not enough! her faith PRODUCED the obedience that we read about!

Firstly, being obedient is believing - the Bible clearly says that. Secondly, Rahab obeyed to the saving of her flesh - the Israelites didn't have power to save her soul. That's the difference you have to understand, and you have to take the context into consideration.

 

[Doulos 7]

So how was the thief on the cross saved? Or Abraham, or Moses? Or Isaiah? Or Daniel? Or Noah? Or Adam? Or Abel?

And don't say "they were saved differently" because they were saved the same way by the same God - which is by believing and having faith/trusting in God.

all of the examples that you have stated were under the old law! Christ nailed it to the cross (Col.2:14)! thank God we don't have to be under that burden! Hebrews 9:15-18 says explains that the old law is done away with. our salvation comes from the new! Acts 22:16

 

[Doulos 7]

Firstly, being obedient is believing - the Bible clearly says that. Secondly, Rahab obeyed to the saving of her flesh - the Israelites didn't have power to save her soul. That's the difference you have to understand, and you have to take the context into consideration.

My friend, you must remember. you are the one taking things out of context! the thief was saved under the old law! and you are the one who decided to contradict God in James!

 

[Light of the East]

How are we saved according to the Bible?

Are you asking for yourself, or are you just trying to start a pie-throwing contest?

You know that such a question is gonna get about 25 different answers, most of them incorrect.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

My friend, you must remember. you are the one taking things out of context! the thief was saved under the old law! and you are the one who decided to contradict God in James!

Maybe not.
If you pull verses out to prove a point,
but at doing so go against Every Word of God by which men live,
then
you would be the one contradicting God.

 

[Call me Nic]

My friend, you must remember. you are the one taking things out of context! the thief was saved under the old law! and you are the one who decided to contradict God in James!

Oh okay, but you don't address the other examples of saved men that were saved BEFORE the law? How do you explain that, bud? Because frankly, your argument is falling apart. Saved by faith alone is a consistent biblical doctrine whether old testament or new testament, especially considering that men were calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved since Genesis 4.

 

[Doulos 7]

Maybe not.
If you pull verses out to prove a point,
but at doing so go against Every Word of God by which men live,
then
you would be the one contradicting God.

Gal. 1:6-9; Rev. 22:18,19

 

[Doulos 7]

Oh okay, but you don't address the other examples of saved men that were saved BEFORE the law? How do you explain that, bud? Because frankly, your argument is falling apart. Saved by faith alone is a consistent biblical doctrine whether old testament or new testament, especially considering that men were calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved since Genesis 4.

Friend, it seems to me you are getting a little hot under the collar! I already told you that we are under the new law! circumcision was the thing in the old law, which represents baptism in the new! Col. 2:11,12
how did you call on the name of the lord?

 

[Light of the East]

Oh okay, but you don't address the other examples of saved men that were saved BEFORE the law? How do you explain that, bud? Because frankly, your argument is falling apart. Saved by faith alone is a consistent biblical doctrine whether old testament or new testament, especially considering that men were calling upon the name of the Lord to be saved since Genesis 4.

Then why does James say that "faith alone is dead?"

As for your question, we are saved by entering into the Covenant of God and becoming part of His Covenant Family (i.e. the Kingdom or the Church). In the Old Covenant, this was accomplished by the covenant cutting ceremony known as "circumcision," which made you part of the Kingdom. In the New Covenant, circumcision is replaced by baptism as the way we "cut covenant" with Christ Jesus.

How were the men in the Old Covenant saved? Circumcision.

Which explains the following regarding the thief on the cross. He was already circumcised, he was already part of the Covenant Nation, the Family of God, the Kingdom. What happened on his cross was that he acknowledged Christ as Messiah, and also, if you read it, acknowledged his sin. Therefore, he was simply returning to the vows of His covenant with God. His profession of faith in Christ as the Messiah restored that relationship which had been broken by his sin.

 

[Doulos 7]

Are you asking for yourself, or are you just trying to start a pie-throwing contest?

You know that such a question is gonna get about 25 different answers, most of them incorrect.

Do you want someone to die in their sins? Eternity is on the line! if i am wrong that would make me a false teacher. if i am right you are not saved!

 

[Light of the East]

Do you want someone to die in their sins? Eternity is on the line! if i am wrong that would make me a false teacher. if i am right you are not saved!

Uh huh.....and what make you so sure that you are right and others are not? What is the standard? What did the earliest Christians preach makes you saved? Not what you have been taught to believe and apparently are here to promote, but what did the Apostles teach? Can you answer that?

And as I overview this thread, it appears that the first Lemon Meringue pie has been tossed

 

[Call me Nic]

Friend, it seems to me you are getting a little hot under the collar! I already told you that we are under the new law! circumcision was the thing in the old law, which represents baptism in the new! Col. 2:11,12
how did you call on the name of the lord?

When it comes to salvation, the details matter.
Secondly, you still haven't answered the question about Abraham or Adam, or Abel, or Noah - men who were saved before the Mosaic law was even around.
Thirdly, the Bible makes it clear that the law never saved anybody (Galatians 2:16, Romans 3:20) but was given to us so that we would know we are sinners (Romans 7:7) and have a need for Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Fourthly, I called upon the name of the Lord in faith, like everyone who has ever been saved according to the Bible has - accepting I'm a sinner (Romans 3:23), understanding that I deserve hell (Romans 6:23, Revelation 21:8), and believing that Jesus Christ was sent to save the world (John 3:16) and then I prayed and asked him to save me (Romans 10:9-10) and that I was trusting him alone (Acts of the Apostles 4:12, John 14:6).

 

[Light of the East]

Do you want someone to die in their sins? Eternity is on the line! if i am wrong that would make me a false teacher. if i am right you are not saved!

Here's a real question for you - if you are wrong, are you going to recant?

 

[Light of the East]

When it comes to salvation, the details matter.
Secondly, you still haven't answered the question about Abraham or Adam, or Abel, or Noah - men who were saved before the Mosaic law was even around.
Thirdly, the Bible makes it clear that the law never saved anybody (Galatians 2:16, Romans 3:20) but was given to us so that we would know we are sinners (Romans 7:7) and have a need for Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21).
Fourthly, I called upon the name of the Lord in faith, like everyone who has ever been saved according to the Bible has - accepting I'm a sinner (Romans 3:23), understanding that I deserve hell (Romans 6:23, Revelation 21:8), and believing that Jesus Christ was sent to save the world (John 3:16) and then I prayed and asked him to save me (Romans 10:9-10) and that I was trusting him alone (Acts of the Apostles 4:12, John 14:6).

None of that is what the Apostles taught. That is Anabaptistry 101, a religion invented some time in the 16th century.

BTW - I answered your question for you. It's about entering the Covenant of God, not about some idea of "faith alone," which the Church has condemned.

 

[Call me Nic]

How were the men in the Old Covenant saved? Circumcision.

Too bad Noah wasn't circumcised.

Romans 4:9-11 prove that Abraham was given righteousness (i.e. saved/justified) BEFORE he was circumcised. To deny this is to deny clear scripture, but to believe the Bible proves you wrong, friend.

 

[Doulos 7]

Uh huh.....and what make you so sure that you are right and others are not? What is the standard? What did the earliest Christians preach makes you saved? Not what you have been taught to believe and apparently are here to promote, but what did the Apostles teach? Can you answer that?

And as I overview this thread, it appears that the first Lemon Meringue pie has been tossed

I could say that the catholic church is not saved, I could say that all of you don't know your bibles, Could say a lot of hateful things. But i am Only fight for the truth (1 Peter 3:15)!

 

[Call me Nic]

None of that is what the Apostles taught. That is Anabaptistry 101, a religion invented some time in the 16th century.

BTW - I answered your question for you. It's about entering the Covenant of God, not about some idea of "faith alone," which the Church has condemned.

Show in the Bible where it asks, "What must I do to be saved?" And the answer is "Enter the Covenant of God."

Your answer is extremely vague and imprecise.