Salvation

[InsightSoul]

If you are unsure about your salvation or those of the people around you, read and be satisfied.

The Lord has showed me the key to salvation. That is, salvation comes only through the belief that Jesus is Christ the Messiah and that he is your savior.

John 3:16 (King James Version)


16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Notice how there is no mention of any works or confessing of your sins. That is not necessary for salvation. Belief in Jesus is the only requirement.

Once you believe that Jesus is your savior, you are saved. Even if you are a back slidden Christian who committed many sins after believing, you are still saved.

Remember that Jesus's blood can wash away any and all sins. Nothing is above his power to save. All you have to do is believe in him.

Praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.

 

[Aibrean]

Technically there is just a little bit more than believing.

Romans 10:8b-13
The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

 

[isac1989]

Brother it is true that after our belief in the Lord Jesus we are saved.
Of course if you died in that moment you would be saved, like the thief hang on the cross with Jesus.
But there are so many things that we should do after we receive our salvation. It is not because we have to do something to earn our salvation, but because if we really believe in Jesus and love Him we would do as He likes.

There are so many verses in the new testament implifying this.
For example 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul says that he beats his body in order to make it his slave and not sin's slave, because he fears that after he preached the Gospel, he himself might be thrown away.

Jesus also said, if you love God, you would do as He pleases.

And in many letters Paul mentions people who have believed but then have backslidden, and have gone to satan.

We don't earn salvation by our works. But the works we do after we receive salvation is the result, the fruits following the salvation we received.

What you are implying is that we can go on sinning forever, since we are saved anyway.
That is absolutely non-biblical. I don't know where you heard that. But that is Satan's lie!
You would be crucifying Jesus again!
So if you backslide after you believe, you go to hell. You are not still saved. That's absolutely wrong.
May the Holy Spirit lead you to truth on this.

 

[Aibrean]

Believe AND confess.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Remember that the cultural context behind the confession "Jesus is Lord" was saying "Caesar is not" so the trust in Jesus under the confession premise is a people who "loved not their lives even unto death"

 

[Shulamite]

None Can Boast

God saved you by his special favor when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.

Ephesians 2:8-9 NLT


THANKYOU, YESHUA.....
YOU ARE THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF MY FAITH AND SALVATION​

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That's true . so what these iron clad faith verses are really saying . if you believe because of direct contact with Jesus Christ .. then nothing's gonna take that bond of trust away . because He is able to keep us from falling and present us with great joy to the Father . and then we dance forever like those lights in the northern sky .

 

[Shulamite]

That's true . so what these iron clad faith verses are really saying . if you believe because of direct contact with Jesus Christ .. then nothing's gonna take that bond of trust away . because He is able to keep us from falling and present us with great joy to the Father . and then we dance forever like those lights in the northern sky .

Yes... it's a bond that no words can describe, given directly, face to face, from Jesus Himself.
I woke this morning, sipping on my coffee and as I sat in my chair, I couldn't help but pinch myself over this GIFT of intimacy that Jesus and I share. Like Paul, I look at myself and say, 'oh wretched man am I..." and yet Jesus chose me and I THANK HIM in awe that this is actually happening between He and myself. I won't have to worry about waking up from this and saying, "Oh it was only a dream"! No, it's real! Thankyou Lord!

 

[AltruAltaic]

James 2:14-17

"14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." (NIV)

Thus we cannot stop at belief that Christ has saved us, but we must go further in confessing/ministering to others about the salvation that we have received!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Brother it is true that after our belief in the Lord Jesus we are saved.
Of course if you died in that moment you would be saved, like the thief hang on the cross with Jesus.
But there are so many things that we should do after we receive our salvation. It is not because we have to do something to earn our salvation, but because if we really believe in Jesus and love Him we would do as He likes.

There are so many verses in the new testament implifying this.
For example 1 Corinthians 9:27 Paul says that he beats his body in order to make it his slave and not sin's slave, because he fears that after he preached the Gospel, he himself might be thrown away.

Jesus also said, if you love God, you would do as He pleases.

And in many letters Paul mentions people who have believed but then have backslidden, and have gone to satan.

We don't earn salvation by our works. But the works we do after we receive salvation is the result, the fruits following the salvation we received.

What you are implying is that we can go on sinning forever, since we are saved anyway.
That is absolutely non-biblical. I don't know where you heard that. But that is Satan's lie!
You would be crucifying Jesus again!
So if you backslide after you believe, you go to hell. You are not still saved. That's absolutely wrong.
May the Holy Spirit lead you to truth on this.

That paraphrased verse bolded about beating the body to make it not sin's slave means to make the body submit to the demands of our vitues. The blood of Christ cleanses the conscious when we do slip up because now we have our Mediator to go to at His throne to recieve mercy and grace in forgiveness of sins, and the strength not to sin further. That's what is meant by beating the body into submission.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

James 2:14-17

"14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." (NIV)

Thus we cannot stop at belief that Christ has saved us, but we must go further in confessing/ministering to others about the salvation that we have received!

Keep in mind that all the trouble at Galatia began when some men from James showed up ..

 

[isac1989]

1Corinthians9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Remember Jesus talked about people who would say to Jesus, "Jesus we cast out demons in your name etc." but verily verily Jesus would say to them He doesn't know them.

 

[xspinningisfun]

If you are unsure about your salvation or those of the people around you, read and be satisfied.

The Lord has showed me the key to salvation. That is, salvation comes only through the belief that Jesus is Christ the Messiah and that he is your savior.

John 3:16 (King James Version)


16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Notice how there is no mention of any works or confessing of your sins. That is not necessary for salvation. Belief in Jesus is the only requirement.

Once you believe that Jesus is your savior, you are saved. Even if you are a back slidden Christian who committed many sins after believing, you are still saved.

Remember that Jesus's blood can wash away any and all sins. Nothing is above his power to save. All you have to do is believe in him.

Praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.

Amen! And the salvation prayer - it is NOT biblical. You can look everywhere in the Bible and it does NOT have a salvation prayer. All Jesus says is for you to BELIEVE that he died for you. (John 3:15)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Amen! And the salvation prayer - it is NOT biblical. You can look everywhere in the Bible and it does NOT have a salvation prayer. All Jesus says is for you to BELIEVE that he died for you. (John 3:15)

Like with all the skins provided by humans through the ages . so long as it assists in you coming to trusting Jesus . then God can work through that . it is all about trust .

but yeah like many things . as special prayer to save is not in the scripture . But UFOs, Winged Angels, and Brontosauruses are def. in there . just not named as such .

 

[InsightSoul]

Technically there is just a little bit more than believing.

Romans 10:8b-13
The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

My friend, I first urge you to use the KJV version as opposed to the NIV, which is corrupted by Satan.


KJV

Romans 8
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Notice that God says that after you believe in him, only then can you call (confess) out Jesus. But calling out his name is not necessary for salvation, only belief. Since the belief in Jesus as your Messiah has already gained you your salvation, it must also mean that those calling out his name after the belief receives salvation since they already got it by believing.

Confessing "Jesus is Lord" as a necessity for salvation means that your works (the act of confessing that Jesus is Lord) has earned you salvation, which is definitely not biblical. Only belief in Jesus is your Savior will gain you Salvation through Grace.

Your point of view is called a Lordship Salvation, which is unbiblical and wholly based on the corrupted Wescott and Hort translations.

I say to you that would be calling God a liar if what I said wasn't true. As I quoted in my original message, God said that you only need to believe to be saved.

Notice that first, you don't have to confess "Jesus is Lord". That is one corruption of the NIV and other Wescott and Hort based translations.



Here are quotes that explains it better than I can:


"The Bible never requires us to make Jesus our "Lord" to be saved, only trust Him as our Savior (John 14:6). Peter shows clear evidence of this when he professed, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" in Matthew 16:16. Peter never confessed "Jesus is Lord." Rather, Peter received Jesus as the Messiah. Genesis 15:6 simply states that Abraham, "...believed in the LORD; and he (God) counted it to him for righteousness." Romans 4:5 plainly states, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." It is our faith upon Jesus as our Savior, because of the blood that He shed for our sins, that saves us (1st Peter 1:18,19). Making Christ the Lord of our life is a matter of Christian obedience; NOT Salvation. If one had to make Jesus the Lord of their life to be saved, then Lot, Samson, and Solomon would all be in Hell today. What about Ananias and Sapphira? What about the carnal Believers at Corinth? What about 1st Corinthians 3:15?"


"Listen to the message of Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” How many Scriptures does God need to put in front of our face before we get the idea—salvation is not by merit. “Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: for BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED” (Galatians 2:16)."

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

My friend, I first urge you to use the KJV version as opposed to the NIV, which is corrupted by Satan.


KJV

Romans 8
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Notice that God says that after you believe in him, only then can you call (confess) out Jesus. But calling out his name is not necessary for salvation, only belief. Since the belief in Jesus as your Messiah has already gained you your salvation, it must also mean that those calling out his name after the belief receives salvation since they already got it by believing.

Confessing "Jesus is Lord" as a necessity for salvation means that your works (the act of confessing that Jesus is Lord) has earned you salvation, which is definitely not biblical. Only belief in Jesus is your Savior will gain you Salvation through Grace.

Your point of view is called a Lordship Salvation, which is unbiblical and wholly based on the corrupted Wescott and Hort translations.

I say to you that would be calling God a liar if what I said wasn't true. As I quoted in my original message, God said that you only need to believe to be saved.

Notice that first, you don't have to confess "Jesus is Lord". That is one corruption of the NIV and other Wescott and Hort based translations.



Here are quotes that explains it better than I can:


"The Bible never requires us to make Jesus our "Lord" to be saved, only trust Him as our Savior (John 14:6). Peter shows clear evidence of this when he professed, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" in Matthew 16:16. Peter never confessed "Jesus is Lord." Rather, Peter received Jesus as the Messiah. Genesis 15:6 simply states that Abraham, "...believed in the LORD; and he (God) counted it to him for righteousness." Romans 4:5 plainly states, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." It is our faith upon Jesus as our Savior, because of the blood that He shed for our sins, that saves us (1st Peter 1:18,19). Making Christ the Lord of our life is a matter of Christian obedience; NOT Salvation. If one had to make Jesus the Lord of their life to be saved, then Lot, Samson, and Solomon would all be in Hell today. What about Ananias and Sapphira? What about the carnal Believers at Corinth? What about 1st Corinthians 3:15?"


"Listen to the message of Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.” How many Scriptures does God need to put in front of our face before we get the idea—salvation is not by merit. “Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: for BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED” (Galatians 2:16)."

When you talk about salvation, justification, sanctification and glorification lumping them all together all you get is confusion. People are so unclear that there is a reward system in place that is after salvation. Only those things that are of the Holy Spirit will remain, those things done that are of God. The works of hay and stubble will be burnt but they shall be saved as if by fire.
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[isac1989]

1Corinthians9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Remember Jesus talked about people who would say to Jesus, "Jesus we cast out demons in your name etc." but verily verily Jesus would say to them He doesn't know them.

Again, I would emphasize, belief in Jesus is what saved us, but we cannot go on living like we did before believing, because that way we lose our salvation.

People who cast demons out and have done miracles in Jesus name, they would hear Jesus telling them that He doesn't know them.

My sheep hear my voice...If the love of God is within us, we do what pleases Him.

So we cannot go on sinning like we did before salvation.
That's satan's lie.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

1Corinthians9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Remember Jesus talked about people who would say to Jesus, "Jesus we cast out demons in your name etc." but verily verily Jesus would say to them He doesn't know them.

Again, I would emphasize, belief in Jesus is what saved us, but we cannot go on living like we did before believing, because that way we lose our salvation.

People who cast demons out and have done miracles in Jesus name, they would hear Jesus telling them that He doesn't know them.

My sheep hear my voice...If the love of God is within us, we do what pleases Him.

So we cannot go on sinning like we did before salvation.
That's satan's lie.

You keep requoting 1 Cor 9:27. What point are you trying to make? How exactly do you suggest doing that? If it;s not not in the power of the HS it's done in vain anyway. Not even OUR best is good enough so in our own power is not what God wants either. Maybe this thread would serve better purpose in the GT forum instead of a fellowship forum.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

1Corinthians9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Remember Jesus talked about people who would say to Jesus, "Jesus we cast out demons in your name etc." but verily verily Jesus would say to them He doesn't know them.

Again, I would emphasize, belief in Jesus is what saved us, but we cannot go on living like we did before believing, because that way we lose our salvation.

If we can lose our salvation this would imply it depends on us to get saved . which is not true . but at the end of Jude's short letter he concludes that He is able to keep us from falling . so even after . trust . it is still about trust

People who cast demons out and have done miracles in Jesus name, they would hear Jesus telling them that He doesn't know them.

This is why it is all about trust . trust in Him or trust in cause and effect? He didn't know them because no relationship developed . in the activities they listed it was like God was a vending machine of signs and wonders to them . of course He didn't know them .

My sheep hear my voice...If the love of God is within us, we do what pleases Him.

Hebrews 11:6 says that apart from trusting Him it is impossible to please Him . and also in the gospel Jesus said "your work" is to trust in the one God has sent . And that one is Jesus Christ .

So we cannot go on sinning like we did before salvation.
That's satan's lie.

When we are "saved" the old man dies . The idea that the law of sin in our members is "us" sinning is satan's lie . the sooner we realize who we are in Christ and how much He loves us no matter what . the less power that sin law in our members will have .

Sin will happen . but as Jesus preached . it is what is in the heart of a man that causes all this . so it is really how one reacts when they sin that is the main deal . do we act as through we trust Him, love Him, know Him? or do we act afraid like Adam and Eve and hide our sin from Him? not letting Him work with us through it ? Do we become angry? sad? as if it is our responsibility? or within our power to do something about it? how is that trusting Him? When it is really just an extension of trusting ourselves to do what God said we cannot do without Him, then this is not trusting Him at all .

Does He know you? in those moments of sin impact this is when the rubber meets the road . Love is patient .. Love is Kind .. Love does not boast .. Love does not keep records of wrong .. but are you trusting in Him to be this in you?

Galatians 5

6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

On the confessing point above . for me this reconciles the point of confessing as not a work but as an extension of faith .

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Corinthians+4:13&version=NIV2 Corinthians 4:13

It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,